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RE: church is it a building - 1/9/2014 4:03:22 PM   
deathtothepixies


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux



The catholic church teaches that you go to church weekly and it has reasons for the teaching.




the reason being brainwashing.

After mentally abusing kids with stories of eternal damnation, burning in hell, the guy with the pitchfork etc it likes to keep those childhood traumas bubbling with weekly doses to feed your subconscious fears that it put there itself.

Oh, don't forget, heaven if your a good little believer

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RE: church is it a building - 1/9/2014 4:24:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux



The catholic church teaches that you go to church weekly and it has reasons for the teaching.




the reason being brainwashing.

After mentally abusing kids with stories of eternal damnation, burning in hell, the guy with the pitchfork etc it likes to keep those childhood traumas bubbling with weekly doses to feed your subconscious fears that it put there itself.

Oh, don't forget, heaven if your a good little believer


Revealing once again that you have no real experience of Christianity.
That aint it.

Christ said, I have come that you might have life, and have it more abundantly.

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RE: church is it a building - 1/9/2014 4:30:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux



The catholic church teaches that you go to church weekly and it has reasons for the teaching.




the reason being brainwashing.

After mentally abusing kids with stories of eternal damnation, burning in hell, the guy with the pitchfork etc it likes to keep those childhood traumas bubbling with weekly doses to feed your subconscious fears that it put there itself.

Oh, don't forget, heaven if your a good little believer


Revealing once again that you have no real experience of Christianity.
That aint it.

Christ said, I have come that you might have life, and have it more abundantly.


I didn't mention Christ, you did. The stories about him make him out to be quite a cool dude.

I was replying to your bit about the catholic church, that bit in the quote box just up the page

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RE: church is it a building - 1/9/2014 4:58:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Of course when Caesar was the govnt we could say that it would be abrogating our responsibilities. Today we are the government. We seem to remember that at other times but forget it when it comes to charity. When the government helps the poor, we are helping the poor and thereby living up to some of our responsibilities in that regard.


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Theologically we are similar MJ.
Politically we are opposite.

While I believe the teachings of Christ, when Christ said render to Caesar what is caesars, think we cannot (and should not) attempt the abrogration of our responsibilities to the government.


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What??? I have to give my stuff away to those nasty poor people????

I got it! I'll just worship Jesus as God. That way I don't have to actually follow any of His teachings! (and I get to keep my stuff)


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I believe jeebus said also, And he answered them, “Whoever has two tunics is to share with him who has none, and whoever has food is to do likewise.”

But here it is, and nobody is watching that. 


And note that he did not say that the sabbath was changed, he kept it, as did his disciples.  And since he is the lord of the sabbath and he didn't change it, looks like some beelzebub and shit goin on all over that rotten motherfuckin bit of deviltry.

So, a church is brick and mortar. yeah.






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RE: church is it a building - 1/9/2014 5:01:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

FR:

I want to say for effect here, that being a christian and having faith and all is no bother to me, if that is something you feel strongly about, I wont get in its way, but dont get in my face.

So, the spirit may be willing for christians, but their flesh is as weak as any other.

 


Believe it or not I feel pretty much the same way about Christianity and faith issues. Everyone should believe what they like; just don't get in my face about it. And yes Christian or not we are all human with the same struggles and temptations.

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RE: church is it a building - 1/9/2014 5:10:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		I must admit I too have issues with religious doctrines that instill fear in kids about hell, eternal damnation and being tortured by monsters in a fire pit. I think Christianity in general has been way off base with this. I try to shield by own child from these type of terrifying teachings. Aside from the questionable Biblical interpretations, they do absolutely nothing to actually increase faith and devotion.



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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux



The catholic church teaches that you go to church weekly and it has reasons for the teaching.




the reason being brainwashing.

After mentally abusing kids with stories of eternal damnation, burning in hell, the guy with the pitchfork etc it likes to keep those childhood traumas bubbling with weekly doses to feed your subconscious fears that it put there itself.

Oh, don't forget, heaven if your a good little believer


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RE: church is it a building - 1/9/2014 5:41:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux
Revealing once again that you have no real experience of Christianity.
That aint it.


I was raised christian, so when I tell you that if you'd put down the koolaid you'd be able to see that deathtothepixies has a point please understand that I am speaking from experience.

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RE: church is it a building - 1/9/2014 7:25:20 PM   
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i comsider my self a christian. but every one tells me i need to go to church well my reply is i dont bilievein the actual "church" does this mean i am strayed from god?
wont god burden my heartif i am wrong about something?
please helpand giive me some advice on what you think i should do?

In the Bible the word “church” always refers to people, to an assembly or congregation of persons and not a building.

but one should keep in mind the Biblical admonition that we should not be forsaking the gathering of ourselves together (Hebrews 10:25)


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RE: church is it a building - 1/9/2014 10:25:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		For at least one smaller protestant sect, it is a distinct doctrine that the church is not the building. The sign out in front of the building will say, "X church meets here."

I'm a casual Deist, and generally only set foot in a church building when someone is getting married or buried.

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RE: church is it a building - 1/9/2014 10:39:09 PM   
Phydeaux


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ORIGINAL: GotSteel


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux
Revealing once again that you have no real experience of Christianity.
That aint it.


I was raised christian, so when I tell you that if you'd put down the koolaid you'd be able to see that deathtothepixies has a point please understand that I am speaking from experience.


Laughing - why do you think that I am not (speaking from the voice of experience).
There is no way I could not believe. And it has nothing to do with teachings of the church. It has to do with things I've seen with my own eyes.


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RE: church is it a building - 1/9/2014 10:46:24 PM   
Phydeaux


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MJ : you don't eat soup with a fork.

Governments are meant to govern. The founders believed that the best governments were ones that did the least.
The institute of christian values by our government means that we would also be ok if satanic values were instituted when they became the majority.

No.

Administer government according to the values we've agreed to - the powers enumerated in the constitution.




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ORIGINAL: MsMJAY

Of course when Caesar was the govnt we could say that it would be abrogating our responsibilities. Today we are the government. We seem to remember that at other times but forget it when it comes to charity. When the government helps the poor, we are helping the poor and thereby living up to some of our responsibilities in that regard.


quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Theologically we are similar MJ.
Politically we are opposite.

While I believe the teachings of Christ, when Christ said render to Caesar what is caesars, think we cannot (and should not) attempt the abrogration of our responsibilities to the government.


quote:

ORIGINAL: MsMJAY

What??? I have to give my stuff away to those nasty poor people????

I got it! I'll just worship Jesus as God. That way I don't have to actually follow any of His teachings! (and I get to keep my stuff)


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

I believe jeebus said also, And he answered them, “Whoever has two tunics is to share with him who has none, and whoever has food is to do likewise.”

But here it is, and nobody is watching that. 


And note that he did not say that the sabbath was changed, he kept it, as did his disciples.  And since he is the lord of the sabbath and he didn't change it, looks like some beelzebub and shit goin on all over that rotten motherfuckin bit of deviltry.

So, a church is brick and mortar. yeah.








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RE: church is it a building - 1/10/2014 1:32:41 AM   
EdBowie


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Status: offline 		And these things that you seen with your own eyes, that let you tell other people that they have no experience with Christianty unless you say so ... let me guess, they are all 'seekrit' things that you can't back up with a shred of proof, right?

Deja vu.


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: GotSteel


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux
Revealing once again that you have no real experience of Christianity.
That aint it.


I was raised christian, so when I tell you that if you'd put down the koolaid you'd be able to see that deathtothepixies has a point please understand that I am speaking from experience.


Laughing - why do you think that I am not (speaking from the voice of experience).
There is no way I could not believe. And it has nothing to do with teachings of the church. It has to do with things I've seen with my own eyes.





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RE: church is it a building - 1/10/2014 3:11:55 AM   
Phydeaux


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And these things that you seen with your own eyes, that let you tell other people that they have no experience with Christianty unless you say so ... let me guess, they are all 'seekrit' things that you can't back up with a shred of proof, right?



How droll you are! How witty, how smart!

So if you would like to have your effulgence shine before all - why don't you quote the relevant sections where the three elements deathtopixie represents as being christianity are shown in the bible.

a). brainwashing
b). mentally abusing kids with stories of eternal damnation...
c). heaven if your a good little believer

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RE: church is it a building - 1/10/2014 5:36:45 AM   
MsMJAY


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Status: offline 		So your argument has now changed from a scriptural one to a constitutional/ governmental one? Ok. Helping the poor helps the country. That is not a Christian value. It just makes sense to use our tax dollars to "promote the general welfare" of the people which is one of the primary reasons why the constitution was ordained and established.

This has veered off topic since its not about church so I will stop here rather than aggravate the mods.
But like you said earlier is not our spiritual beliefs that really differ its our political beliefs.

PS- Concerning soup with a fork- you haven't tasted my mom's EPIC homemade soup! Definitely a forker!


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


MJ : you don't eat soup with a fork.

Governments are meant to govern. The founders believed that the best governments were ones that did the least.
The institute of christian values by our government means that we would also be ok if satanic values were instituted when they became the majority.

No.

Administer government according to the values we've agreed to - the powers enumerated in the constitution.




quote:

ORIGINAL: MsMJAY

Of course when Caesar was the govnt we could say that it would be abrogating our responsibilities. Today we are the government. We seem to remember that at other times but forget it when it comes to charity. When the government helps the poor, we are helping the poor and thereby living up to some of our responsibilities in that regard.


quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Theologically we are similar MJ.
Politically we are opposite.

While I believe the teachings of Christ, when Christ said render to Caesar what is caesars, think we cannot (and should not) attempt the abrogration of our responsibilities to the government.


quote:

ORIGINAL: MsMJAY

What??? I have to give my stuff away to those nasty poor people????

I got it! I'll just worship Jesus as God. That way I don't have to actually follow any of His teachings! (and I get to keep my stuff)


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

I believe jeebus said also, And he answered them, “Whoever has two tunics is to share with him who has none, and whoever has food is to do likewise.”

But here it is, and nobody is watching that. 


And note that he did not say that the sabbath was changed, he kept it, as did his disciples.  And since he is the lord of the sabbath and he didn't change it, looks like some beelzebub and shit goin on all over that rotten motherfuckin bit of deviltry.

So, a church is brick and mortar. yeah.











< Message edited by MsMJAY -- 1/10/2014 5:40:05 AM >

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RE: church is it a building - 1/10/2014 5:42:56 AM   
GotSteel


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux
Laughing - why do you think that I am not (speaking from the voice of experience).
There is no way I could not believe. And it has nothing to do with teachings of the church. It has to do with things I've seen with my own eyes.


Oh it's got everything to do with your christian indoctrination, there have been studies. Furthermore with the amount your brain has been washed, what you report to see with your own eyes isn't credible.

Check out the asch conformity experiments http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYIh4MkcfJA here's an interesting video a few min. long showing that after just a little bit of koolaid things get all fucked up.

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RE: church is it a building - 1/10/2014 6:05:12 AM   
GotSteel


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux
So if you would like to have your effulgence shine before all - why don't you quote the relevant sections where the three elements deathtopixie represents as being christianity are shown in the bible.


so we've already gotten to the part where a believer tries to define christianity into something which has zero adherants in order to avoid dealing with it's obvious issues.


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RE: church is it a building - 1/10/2014 6:33:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		This is a reminder to all what the actual OP is about. If you would like to have a discussion on brainwashing and religion or some of the other topics, then post a new topic.

Thanks,
Gamma


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ORIGINAL: bubbabarrett31

i comsider my self a christian. but every one tells me i need to go to church well my reply is i dont bilievein the actual "church" does this mean i am strayed from god?
wont god burden my heartif i am wrong about something?
please helpand giive me some advice on what you think i should do?




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