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RE: Ah the good news piles up - 1/15/2014 12:06:48 PM   
mnottertail


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The monopolistic endeavors by established companies prevent the fiction of competition.

And the prediliction for companies to fix prices either formally or informally.

It is actually lack of regulation, which is allowing capitalism to join its dark side. 

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RE: Ah the good news piles up - 1/15/2014 12:19:44 PM   
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From what I understand, what's stopping these entrepreneurs is that the bigger companies are buying up the smaller ones and maintaining their hold on the market. What chance do smaller companies have against larger companies unless they join them? Not to mention the smaller companies know that the larger companies ring in high profits, so it gives them an even higher incentive to join them/sell their company to them. It's a monopoly pure and simple, and the lack of oversight is what allows it to happen.

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RE: Ah the good news piles up - 1/15/2014 12:29:49 PM   
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do you know that enterpreneur originally meant one who manages a musical company (a guy that gets things handled) then at the time it was hijacked by an English economist (hume? maybe ? I could look it up) it meant someone who did government consulting (think Mycroft Holmes) and was on retainer.

So, the risk taker, the enterpreneurial spirit is a load of horseshit from the get go.   It is one of the many unrealistic theories of free market, free enterprise, whatever you want to call that horseshit, that are not of the world we live in and never have been or will be.  

because we see that its interpretation is correct, those who deal with and mollycoddle or befuddle the governments for their benefit and no one elses.

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RE: Ah the good news piles up - 1/15/2014 2:21:12 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Yeah, that fuckin asswipe is as worthless and useless as any of your untutored opinions to date.

Since you are incapable of comprehension, cogitation, and even simple working knowledge in this matter, lets go ahead and look at the case:

http://www.cadc.uscourts.gov/internet/opinions.nsf/3AF8B4D938CDEEA685257C6000532062/$file/11-1355-1474943.pdf

There it is, and we await your vermiformous antics in interpreting page 4 in some way that it does not state what it states.

<snip>
it is popularly known, “net neutrality.” In Comcast Corp. v.
FCC, 600 F.3d 642 (D.C. Cir. 2010), we held that the
Commission had failed to cite any statutory authority that
would justify its order compelling a broadband provider to
adhere to open network management practices. AfterComcast,
the Commission issued the order challenged here—In re
Preserving the Open Internet, 25 F.C.C.R. 17905 (2010) (“the
Open Internet Order”)—which imposes disclosure,
anti-blocking, and anti-discrimination requirements on
broadband providers. As we explain in this opinion, the
Commission has established that section 706 of the
Telecommunications Act of 1996 vests it with affirmative
authority to enact measures encouraging the deployment of
broadband infrastructure. The Commission, we further hold,
has reasonably interpreted section 706 to empower it to
promulgate rules governing broadband providers’ treatment of
Internet traffic, and its justification for the specific rules at
issue here—that they will preserve and facilitate the “virtuous
circle” of innovation that has driven the explosive growth of
the Internet—is reasonable and supported by substantial
evidence. That said, even though the Commission has general
authority to regulate in this arena, it may not impose
requirements that contravene express statutory mandates.
Given that the Commission has chosen to classify broadband
providers in a manner that exempts them from treatment as
common carriers, the Communications Act expressly prohibits
the Commission from nonetheless regulating them as such.
Because the Commission has failed to establish that the
anti-discrimination and anti-blocking rules do not impose per
se common carrier obligations, we vacate those portions of the
Open Internet Order.

</snip>

We await massive spouting geysers of stupidity.


No need to await. You've already done it.

As you correctly quoted in the bolded section from the Comcast case, the FCC tried to impose net neutrality by classifying Comcasts services as common carrier.

Court correctly spanked it.

This lead to Janicowski trying again in this 2011 case vs Verizon. And again struck down.

Now, sadly of course Obama has managed to stuff the DC court with his appointees so the Ostupid administration will now proceed to draft net neutrality a third time, and rely on the recently stuffed appointments to get it through thehe district court . At which time it will be struck down by the supreme court.

The FCC doesn't have the authority to do what it wants. Which is plainly clear from reading the statute.
so since they can't accomplish what they want legislatively, they are attempting to do it via administrative regulation.

Verizon is to be thanked.

The internet is a hotbed of innovation & free speech. The last thing we need is government intervention into just about the last damn thing that works.

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RE: Ah the good news piles up - 1/15/2014 2:38:40 PM   
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My comprehension is just fine.

You have just repeated what I said previously. I expect the FCC will attempt to reissure the regulations under a different classification. The problem with the alternate classification is that the FCC has broad powers to deregulate, but not so much to regulate.

So the FCC will try to hand wave it again - and will get spanked, again.

But its not like janikowski has anything better to do anyway.

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RE: Ah the good news piles up - 1/15/2014 2:47:31 PM   
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And I will repeat what I said, when you shit your pants.   The FCC has the power to reclassify and regulate them as a common carrier.  

That aint just dicta, hell, it aint even ratio decidendi,  that is a holding right there I quoted.  HELD, over and done with.

And it is in response to this bit of asswipe, proving you wrong as per usual:

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

But, in the opinion the good news is, that if they treat the fuckers as common carriers (which they are authorized to do) then they are inherently authorized to impose net neutrality!!!!!!


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Quote it. Quote the statute that gives them the authority.

In the meantime, heres a link http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R40234.pdf

Surely you are not suggesting that its a good thing that government agencies can give themselves sweeping authority that has not been passed into law by the congress & the president?

There is a sweeping authority that has been passed into the law.

There is a statute that says they can do it at their leisure, it is held in a court opinion, that court opinion must be held as precedent by every other lower court, the only one now who can say that is not correct that there is no such law, is SCOTUS, and it is real unlikely that the DC circuit has read a statute that does not exist when holding out law.

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RE: Ah the good news piles up - 1/15/2014 2:52:03 PM   
Phydeaux


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And you would be wrong again, just as the FCC has been twice now.

At least as long as words have meaning. Whenever Obama gets to stuff the supreme court words are going to start taking on very weird meanings.


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

And I will repeat what I said, when you shit your pants.   The FCC has the power to reclassify and regulate them as a common carrier.  

That aint just dicta, hell, it aint even ratio decidendi,  that is a holding right there I quoted.  HELD, over and done with.

And it is in response to this bit of asswipe, proving you wrong as per usual:

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

But, in the opinion the good news is, that if they treat the fuckers as common carriers (which they are authorized to do) then they are inherently authorized to impose net neutrality!!!!!!


..............................
Quote it. Quote the statute that gives them the authority.

In the meantime, heres a link http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R40234.pdf

Surely you are not suggesting that its a good thing that government agencies can give themselves sweeping authority that has not been passed into law by the congress & the president?

There is a sweeping authority that has been passed into the law.

There is a statute that says they can do it at their leisure, it is held in a court opinion, that court opinion must be held as precedent by every other lower court, the only one now who can say that is not correct that there is no such law, is SCOTUS, and it is real unlikely that the DC circuit has read a statute that does not exist when holding out law.


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RE: Ah the good news piles up - 1/15/2014 2:58:19 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux
As you correctly quoted in the bolded section from the Comcast case, the FCC tried to impose net neutrality by classifying Comcasts services as common carrier.

Can you not read English?

The FCC classifies broadband providers as information carriers not common carriers, and there is absolutely no reason why this is done.

If the FCC classifies the broadband companies as common carriers, which would be completely legal, there would be no complaint possible.
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/01/how-the-fcc-screwed-up-its-chance-to-make-isp-blocking-illegal/

And for anyone who doesn't understand what is at stake, without net neutrality the ISP's will be free to block or slow down access to sites, like CM, that do not pay to get access. Simply put without net neutrality the internet as we know it is dead.

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