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RE: This is my rant about weight, and how I'm treated f... - 1/16/2014 4:37:26 PM   
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Knotts, you hit it right on the nose. I can get upset with people for stupid shit they do, but I never, ever make it about appearance. And I usually mumble to myself anyways. So yeah, I do internalize a lot.

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RE: This is my rant about weight, and how I'm treated f... - 1/16/2014 5:21:45 PM   
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This thread is so apropos for me today. TWICE someone mentioned that my lack of "body pics" made them question "my size"

Ugh!!!!!

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RE: This is my rant about weight, and how I'm treated f... - 1/16/2014 5:34:32 PM   
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Anyone who is online knows there is one last acceptable prejudice, size. That is why there is such a proliferation of fat-shaming posts and threads on Facebook and millions of fat acceptance and size acceptance blogs online. Fat women are fighting back and kudos to them for trying to reclaim their right to be alive in society, but guess what?

None, NONE of that matters a bit. Society is stupid. People are stupid. They have personal preferences, which is perfectly fine, I have my own preferences. I am a BBW and I like thinner men, go figure. But I don't write to larger men and say hey you fat fuck, go die.

But other people, especially men online, safe behind their monitors, feel its ok to lash out at women online. The other posters are right, if you are skinny you get shit as well.

In this situation, just breathe and delete and use vapid, useless, twats to describe these losers.

You have to realize that you can please NO ONE BUT YOURSELF. No one likes being fat. But that does not mean you don't need confidence even if you are working on yourself.

I am fat, but I know I am gorgeous, I know people who agree with me and people who don't. Who cares? I will be fabulous whether I am thick or thinner. I constantly work on my health and I have a big health crisis right now that makes me see just how trivial these assholes online are.

Just don't let them see you sweat, sweetheart. Look at Gabourey Sibide this week. she got shit for how she looked at the Golden Globes and she handled it with style, class and threw shade like a champ. Her dress sucked, but she is confident about who she is.

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RE: This is my rant about weight, and how I'm treated f... - 1/16/2014 5:39:43 PM   
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I don't post photos on my profile - except of my legs. :D

I am not looking for anything right now, so I deleted my profile. When it was up, it included the statement that I was a plus-sized, size 18 woman. If someone asked politely for photos, I supplied them.

I've been told I'm too fat, and too small (to call myself plus-sized). I'm 5'10" and weigh 200 pounds.

People whinge on fat/overweight/fluffy/BBW/whatevers because it's the easiest course of action. It requires absolutely no intellect, social skills or critical thinking. It's the last bastion of the moron.

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RE: This is my rant about weight, and how I'm treated f... - 1/16/2014 6:25:03 PM   
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Repeat after me:"It's only the internet, it's only the internet". Then shut off the computer, breathe deep and go for a walk or read a good book.


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RE: This is my rant about weight, and how I'm treated f... - 1/16/2014 7:09:46 PM   
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There are basically two ways to deal with weight. You can either stay where you are or you can change it. In April 2012, I was 205 lbs (at 5' 6") and felt terrible so I joined Weight Watchers and a gym. By September of last year, I made my goal weight and I feel much better physically.

You say you're happy with your weight and want to stay where you are. That is just as valid as my course of action. As others have said, the most important thing is how you feel about yourself.


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RE: This is my rant about weight, and how I'm treated f... - 1/16/2014 7:16:21 PM   
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I am sure you may have read My other posts last night. It was on some thread about planes or something. Seriously. Real men will look at you for who you are and NOT what you look like. If you are OK with you, that will shine through. That is what is important.

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RE: This is my rant about weight, and how I'm treated f... - 1/16/2014 7:55:44 PM   
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My Mom used to tell me if someone says something and it hurts, there may be some truth to it. For example, if someone called a person "Moron" that person may not think anything of it and wouldn't even think twice about it. However, if the insult stung, there's some truth to it, or else it wouldn't sting. One may have a PhD but feels very insecure about his/her intelligence. So when someone calls this person "Moron" it's not about this person lacking education, but about this person's insecurity. One may have dropped out of high school and this person feels really bad about it. When someone calls this person "Moron" it will hurt.

If someone calls a person "fat" and it hurts, there is something there. If there wasn't anything there it wouldn't hurt.

Can we justify the harm we do to ourselves? Many people have to hit bottom before they make a change. We need to change before we have to.

Feeling hurt can be a good thing because it can prompt us to make changes.

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RE: This is my rant about weight, and how I'm treated f... - 1/16/2014 8:22:08 PM   
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Sorry, but I don't agree with this. As someone who was bullied mercilessly for being obese pretty much my entire life to the point of being driven to want to commit suicide just to get the pain to stop, every single "you're so fat, you disgusting cow whale" asshole wasn't telling me anything I didn't already know. They weren't encouraging me. They weren't inspiring me. They were being rude idiots just because they could. But that STILL doesn't give someone the right to be a complete and total insensitive asshole. My grandma had an even better saying...

If you have nothing nice to say, don't say it at all. Covers all bases and you don't have to be some insensitive dick for brains to "encourage" someone to change.

Geeze, the way your mom talked...it would be okay to tease/harass/hurt disabled and elderly folks because it might inspire them to be less...disabled or elderly? It would be okay to abuse an animal because hurting them just might be the incentive they need to be...not an animal? Sometimes people just need to learn to shut their damned mouths and leave others alone instead of targeting them because it's some sort of sick sport.

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RE: This is my rant about weight, and how I'm treated f... - 1/16/2014 8:29:38 PM   
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Have to agree with you Trinity, it's not like we're surprised that we're fluffy, zaftig, BBW, fat, overweight, call it what you want. These idjits make comments and I sometimes feel like answering "No, I didn't notice. Thank you so much for pointing it out Captain Obvious. I don't live in a bubble."

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RE: This is my rant about weight, and how I'm treated f... - 1/16/2014 9:42:46 PM   
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quote:

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Sorry, but I don't agree with this. As someone who was bullied mercilessly for being obese pretty much my entire life to the point of being driven to want to commit suicide just to get the pain to stop, every single "you're so fat, you disgusting cow whale" asshole wasn't telling me anything I didn't already know. They weren't encouraging me. They weren't inspiring me. They were being rude idiots just because they could. But that STILL doesn't give someone the right to be a complete and total insensitive asshole. My grandma had an even better saying...

If you have nothing nice to say, don't say it at all. Covers all bases and you don't have to be some insensitive dick for brains to "encourage" someone to change.

Geeze, the way your mom talked...it would be okay to tease/harass/hurt disabled and elderly folks because it might inspire them to be less...disabled or elderly? It would be okay to abuse an animal because hurting them just might be the incentive they need to be...not an animal? Sometimes people just need to learn to shut their damned mouths and leave others alone instead of targeting them because it's some sort of sick sport.



We are not talking about the elderly or disabled people. We are talking about people who harm themselves to the extent it's noticeable. I have a friend who smokes 3 packs of cigarettes a day. People are rude to him and say insulting things. It seems to me when we do harmful things to ourselves the "Universe" slaps us across the face. If we don't listen then next is our health.

Now my friend who smokes 3 packs a day. Should we enable him and say, "Don't mind what others are telling you. Keep doing what you do. Learn to accept yourself." If someone is 200 pounds overweight should we enable him/her and say, "Don't let those people bother you. You are perfect the way you are. Learn to accept yourself."


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RE: This is my rant about weight, and how I'm treated f... - 1/16/2014 11:12:19 PM   
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Lorraine - let's say I accept your premise that a) fat people are unhealthy and b) changing that is as simple as being inspired to change (incidentally, those are both massively overly simplistic, but for the sake of discussion, let's say we agree).

How does making someone feel bad about themselves inspire them to improve themselves? In order to care about your health and wellbeing, you have to care about yourself as a person. Constantly abusing people by implying being fat makes them worthless creates the opposite effect. They see themselves as less of a person, they no longer love themselves enough to make those changes. If I hate myself and the whole world is telling me how gross I am, why do I care if I'm unhealthy?

The media is full of obesity stories, the internet and the high street are full of idiots who shout abuse at fat people (and for the record, thin people put up with a variation on this theme too). If shaming people made them lose weight, there would be no obese people. There is no one out there who is just waiting on someone calling them names to make a positive life change.

And then let's not even get started on the studies which suggest only a tiny fraction of those who do lose weight can keep it up long term - what with metabolic changes adding to the lifestyle factors. It's not the same as quitting smoking - an obese person can't decide to stop eating, avoid anyone who eats, not frequent places where people eat etc.

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RE: This is my rant about weight, and how I'm treated f... - 1/16/2014 11:25:00 PM   
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We are not talking about the elderly or disabled people. We are talking about people who harm themselves to the extent it's noticeable. I have a friend who smokes 3 packs of cigarettes a day. People are rude to him and say insulting things. It seems to me when we do harmful things to ourselves the "Universe" slaps us across the face. If we don't listen then next is our health.

Now my friend who smokes 3 packs a day. Should we enable him and say, "Don't mind what others are telling you. Keep doing what you do. Learn to accept yourself." If someone is 200 pounds overweight should we enable him/her and say, "Don't let those people bother you. You are perfect the way you are. Learn to accept yourself."



You have completely missed the point, Lorraine. I can find something wrong with/unhealthy about or whatever you'd like about every single one of you. However that STILL does not give me any sort of right to make you or anyone else feel like shit...just because I can or that somehow I might inspire you to <fill in the blank> and start dancing to my tune. My job is to shut my mouth, mind my own fucking business, and let you do you. It certainly does not give me carte Blanche to target you (a perfect stranger) by verbally harassing you via your message box because I don't like <fill in the blank> about you.

If you want to subscribe to what your mother told you, that's totally your right. However you don't have the right to make that an across-the-board treatment plan for anyone else. An example: my mother smokes. Her mother died being unable to breathe due to emphysema and COPD. Ever live life like you were drowning on land because you can't breathe? Ever watch someone else suffer that fate? I have and so has my mother. My mother knows full well what a life of smoking is going to get her. No matter how high I think my horse is, no amount of nagging or making her feel like a disgusting cesspool of sickness is going to make her change. So why harass my mother just because you seem to think it's perfectly okay to cause someone emotional pain in the hopes of getting them to change? Why torment someone because just maybe it will make them change their ways?

If you want my honest opinion, not nearly enough people mind their own business and leave other people alone. Kicking someone while they are down doesn't inspire or encourage. It makes you nothing more than a bully...and an obnoxious pain in the derrière.

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RE: This is my rant about weight, and how I'm treated f... - 1/16/2014 11:45:23 PM   
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quote:

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My Mom used to tell me if someone says something and it hurts, there may be some truth to it. For example, if someone called a person "Moron" that person may not think anything of it and wouldn't even think twice about it. However, if the insult stung, there's some truth to it, or else it wouldn't sting. One may have a PhD but feels very insecure about his/her intelligence. So when someone calls this person "Moron" it's not about this person lacking education, but about this person's insecurity. One may have dropped out of high school and this person feels really bad about it. When someone calls this person "Moron" it will hurt.

If someone calls a person "fat" and it hurts, there is something there. If there wasn't anything there it wouldn't hurt.

Can we justify the harm we do to ourselves? Many people have to hit bottom before they make a change. We need to change before we have to.

Feeling hurt can be a good thing because it can prompt us to make changes.


How fucking ridiculous. I would love to see how YOU would feel if some stranger analyzed you from the limited info you presented and then made an ASSumption about you and went on to verbally abuse you or maybe your kids too.

Feeling hurt is NEVER ok.

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RE: This is my rant about weight, and how I'm treated f... - 1/16/2014 11:49:32 PM   
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Well, one good thing came out of my reading Lorraine's bullshit: I discovered the "Hide" function!

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RE: This is my rant about weight, and how I'm treated f... - 1/16/2014 11:54:19 PM   
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You know there are always all these dudes on internet, if she's slim, she's too skinny, if she's over, she's too fat, there will always these people who's pleasure in life is to put people down.

Just block these idiots. At 120lbs, 5'3, I was called fat by my mom, my relatives, my friends, my teachers, even my boyfriend back then told me I would be prettier if I lost a little weight. You know, people are just stupid. And then now my brother is dating a girl that weighs only 105lbs, and my mom's complaining she's a stick, after all the grief she has given me all my life for being not skinny enough for her.

People are just stupid. Just got to stay away from all these negativity. And keep the good ones in your life that love you the way you are.

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RE: This is my rant about weight, and how I'm treated f... - 1/17/2014 1:20:55 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LorraineCA


quote:

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Sorry, but I don't agree with this. As someone who was bullied mercilessly for being obese pretty much my entire life to the point of being driven to want to commit suicide just to get the pain to stop, every single "you're so fat, you disgusting cow whale" asshole wasn't telling me anything I didn't already know. They weren't encouraging me. They weren't inspiring me. They were being rude idiots just because they could. But that STILL doesn't give someone the right to be a complete and total insensitive asshole. My grandma had an even better saying...

If you have nothing nice to say, don't say it at all. Covers all bases and you don't have to be some insensitive dick for brains to "encourage" someone to change.

Geeze, the way your mom talked...it would be okay to tease/harass/hurt disabled and elderly folks because it might inspire them to be less...disabled or elderly? It would be okay to abuse an animal because hurting them just might be the incentive they need to be...not an animal? Sometimes people just need to learn to shut their damned mouths and leave others alone instead of targeting them because it's some sort of sick sport.



We are not talking about the elderly or disabled people. We are talking about people who harm themselves to the extent it's noticeable. I have a friend who smokes 3 packs of cigarettes a day. People are rude to him and say insulting things. It seems to me when we do harmful things to ourselves the "Universe" slaps us across the face. If we don't listen then next is our health.

Now my friend who smokes 3 packs a day. Should we enable him and say, "Don't mind what others are telling you. Keep doing what you do. Learn to accept yourself." If someone is 200 pounds overweight should we enable him/her and say, "Don't let those people bother you. You are perfect the way you are. Learn to accept yourself."




They haven't yet figured out all of the fine points about obesity.
It isn't just how much we eat.

Thin people's brains are wired differently.
Thin people's guts have completely different bacteria profiles.

It isn't always about how much exercise we get or how much we eat.

You hear about the kid who struggled with weight?
I wasn't that way at all.

I was thin.
I could eat anything and stayed thin.

I wasn't athletic.

I began to gain weight in my 20s, long after my appetite had slowed down.


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RE: This is my rant about weight, and how I'm treated f... - 1/17/2014 2:08:39 AM   
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I get called fat all the time on here and I don't even have pictures of my body. People are just assholes sometimes plain and simple.

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RE: This is my rant about weight, and how I'm treated f... - 1/17/2014 3:32:04 AM   
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If someone calls a person "fat" and it hurts, there is something there. If there wasn't anything there it wouldn't hurt.
Can we justify the harm we do to ourselves? Many people have to hit bottom before they make a change. We need to change before we have to.
Feeling hurt can be a good thing because it can prompt us to make changes.

Lorraine, I totally disagree with you and I cannot believe you hold this point of view. As a child and a teenager, I was the fittest kid in school, I win gold medals in 100metres races. I also played badminton, basketball and soccer. I out-ran some men of my age back then. But I was big boned. My wrist are twice the size of females of my peers. So what happened? I was called fat, by my own mother, by relatives, even my trainers told me, I need to be skinner, lose more weight. My BMI was no where near the over-weight range, yet, everyone told me I was too fat, because I wasn't as skinny as all the girls in my school was. I was literally the fastest runner in my school. I got suicidal and depressed too, and I believed them, I believed that I was fat. My dad would videotape me winning my 100metres races, and I would cry watching it, because all the girls who were racing against me were skinnier than me. I couldn't even be happy that I won.

So, no, it's absolutely false that if you are bothered by it, that there could be some truth to it. I really hoped back then I could have met someone who told me I wasn't fat, because I wasn't fat AT ALL! Because I cried so much over it and was so miserable over trying and trying to get skinnier and skinnier, because I was being told I was fat soo much.

So the point is, people who are fat, probably already know they are fat, but you're just being a dick, if you have to go up to them and state the obvious. Teaching them self-acceptance on the other hand, is the first step towards them wanting to take care of themselves and their own bodies, and the rest will follow.







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RE: This is my rant about weight, and how I'm treated f... - 1/17/2014 3:43:03 AM   
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I think society is to blame for the quandary people often face about self image.
I personally live an unusually fit lifestyle. I weigh 125 lbs at 5'9 and can legpress 450 lbs. My entire mantra about life circumvents self improvement and discipline.
If I want to eat ice cream, I eat it and I do it guilt free because I know overall I work those calories off at the gym.
Now as earlier posted, a person who's overweight may have underlying issues, self esteem, hormones, genetics etc. Some people naturally are endomorphs.
I am naturally an ectomorph because my muscles are elongated due to my height.
Therefore a shorter person may have a higher chance of being endomorph(naturally less able to gain muscle and more able to retain fat) or mesomorph(naturally muscular) not to say that's the universal rule, only in comparison to myself.
Therefore should said individual try to attain an unrealistic aesthetic goal merely because society has one believe that having softer curves or a larger nose, or thinner lips and so on makes an individual less beautiful than any other? We all know that self esteem is the basis of not only self love, but also for always trying to be a better person to oneself and others. Things like caring about one's health derives from that same basis, including if possible becoming a more fit and healthier you, just the best you that you can be.
We have all met people in our lives who thought that looks or money were the only qualities that matter therefore they lack in other areas and can be extremely degraded in character and morale. They can possibly be narcissists who treat others poorly and fail to see the profound flaws within themselves (since in their minds they have none).
However I think if let's say you are a sub and your Dom uses your weight as a form of degradation and it really does affect you that you should let it be known when limits are discussed because I use terms like "piggy" affectionately.
For those who think that fitness is for this class of elite athletes however, let me tell you it is not.
I went through the same thing, the weight gain, the pains etc once I hit my mid 20's due to lack of exercise. My self esteem was down and I didn't think I would ever be the person I am today.
I met a friend who was really into fitness. Bodybuilding really (no, not the steroid fueled muscle heads you see on TV) but essentially building your body. Increasing strength, agility, balance, stamina, endurance, all of these different things. He inspired me to work out when I saw before and after pictures of people and Insanity was my starter workout.
At the time I was a smoker and hadn't done a push up in my life.
Needless to say I still couldn't but even so, I tried...I stayed in plank position and tried.
I had back pains and knee pains and ankle pains due to being stationary most of my adult life but those soon went away. Week one was awful, week two was an AMAZING IMPROVEMENT. Mainly because I kept pushing myself. By week two I was just so determined and had this whole "bring it on" attitude.
THE BIGGEST ASSET I HAD WAS MY CALENDAR.
Being able to tick off the days you stuck with it and feeling that sense of accomplishment will be a person's biggest catalyst to embracing this lifestyle. Eating healthy and all those things come along with it naturally, you want those things eventually.
In my first round of insanity I still ate chicken nuggets at midnight but eventually that stopped too. Now I have probably less than 10% bodyfat and people are always amazed by what great shape I'm in.
When I go to the gym, we have guys who are endomorphs who are powerlifters, they are the strongest guys in the gym because they have that mass and it's incredible to watch them and people respect them.
I no longer smoke, fitness is now my life and I can run an 8 minute mile for the first time in my life. Crossfit is another great place to go if you want to get fit because the energy there is so amazing. It's all about teamwork and people keep supporting each other with the high 5's and "way to go!". People are genuinely proud of you and it's almost a family type of atmosphere. YOU WILL GET BETTER AND BETTER. I SWEAR. DON'T GIVE UP.
To people who have gym fear because of people like me who look incredibly fit.
We were ALL there, every single one of us. No one judges anyone in the gym, we LOVE seeing people come in and dare to challenge themselves as we had and still do. We're all rooting for you.
For those of you who are rotund and happy, good for you! I'm all for being healthy, happy and loving oneself, like I said, the MOST impressive guys at our gym are rotund so don't think you're being judged by anyone but the silly media who shove celebrity gossip down our throats.
Anyway I hope this was helpful and insightful and didn't offend anyone in anyway.
I actually love the softness of a woman though I myself am not so much. Very much actually. ;)
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