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MrBukani -> christmas island, a muslims paradise. (1/19/2014 9:28:56 PM)
[image]http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2012/05/21/1226362/832251-asylum-seekers.jpg[/image] JAKARTA (Jan 17, 2014): Indonesia on Friday demanded Australia suspend its military-led operation to halt the flow of asylum-seekers in a furious response after Canberra apologised for intrusions by its navy into Indonesian waters. Jakarta also pledged to step up navy patrols in its southern maritime borders, saying it "deplores and rejects the violation of its sovereignty" caused by the Australian incursions. It came after Australian Immigration Minister Scott Morrison expressed regret after revealing that navy vessels had "inadvertently" violated Indonesian waters during border security operations. However he pledged the government would pursue its hardline policies to halt asylum-seeker boats. Asylum-seekers arriving on unauthorised boats in Australia, often via Indonesia, are a sensitive issue for both sides, and Canberra's military-led Operation Sovereign Borders to clamp down on them has raised concerns in Jakarta. http://www.thesundaily.my/news/933403 Most of those refugees come from Pakistan, Iran and Afghanistan and what do those countries all have in common? They are muslim of course. Indonesia has the largest muslim community in the world. So why do the 'refugees' choose to flee on boats to Australia through Indonesia? Oh right the money, not safety, just plain old cash. There you have it again on christmas island...[:D] Muslims escape to christmas island.[:D] It doesn't get much funnier now does it? Indonesia is very much offended cause Australia is sending them back to Indonesia. Why don't the indonesians welcome their own fellow muslim friends and give them shelter? Maybe everybody is tired of economic 'refugees'?

popeye1250 -> RE: christmas island, a muslims paradise. (1/19/2014 11:39:26 PM)
Asylum-seekers arriving on unauthorised boats in Australia, often via Indonesia, are a sensitive issue for both sides, and Canberra's military-led Operation Sovereign Borders to clamp down on them has raised concerns in Jakarta. And why is this "sensitive?" Just send them back. And what about incursions into Australian waters by bum boats from Indonesia? [sm=evil.gif] The Reverand Father Popeye has no penance here.

KMsAngel -> RE: christmas island, a muslims paradise. (1/19/2014 11:49:30 PM)
unless you can fly into aus and conveniently forget your visa has lapsed and just 'disappear' - by far the greater number of immigrants that have illegally stayed in aus - you generally have to somehow squeeze past/through the indonesian islands to reach aus, especially if you're coming from pakistan, iran, afghanistan. our politicians do an amazing job of stirring citizens against other religions and other races. the white australia policies haven't been abolished that long.

popeye1250 -> RE: christmas island, a muslims paradise. (1/20/2014 12:10:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KMsAngel unless you can fly into aus and conveniently forget your visa has lapsed and just 'disappear' - by far the greater number of immigrants that have illegally stayed in aus - you generally have to somehow squeeze past/through the indonesian islands to reach aus, especially if you're coming from pakistan, iran, afghanistan. our politicians do an amazing job of stirring citizens against other religions and other races. the white australia policies haven't been abolished that long. Km, but it's not about "race and religion" is it? If you or I could sneak into a foreign country then that means we can stay? We just tell them we're "poor" or "persecuted" or something like that and they'll be glad to take thousands of us in to live off their taxpayers, right?

KMsAngel -> RE: christmas island, a muslims paradise. (1/20/2014 2:02:48 AM)
it's about race and religion. it's about politics. austrlia can absorb far more than they are taking in. even those that get into the country, can be detained for years, and then denied without explanation. it's a political hot potato.

joether -> RE: christmas island, a muslims paradise. (1/20/2014 3:21:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrBukani Most of those refugees come from Pakistan, Iran and Afghanistan and what do those countries all have in common? They are muslim of course. Indonesia has the largest muslim community in the world. So why do the 'refugees' choose to flee on boats to Australia through Indonesia? Oh right the money, not safety, just plain old cash. There you have it again on christmas island...[:D] Muslims escape to christmas island.[:D] It doesn't get much funnier now does it? Indonesia is very much offended cause Australia is sending them back to Indonesia. Why don't the indonesians welcome their own fellow muslim friends and give them shelter? Maybe everybody is tired of economic 'refugees'? Yes, what do all those countries have in common? There are people living there from all walks of life, outlooks, religious, and education. The article doesn't mention of the people moving about are of any one religion. Your taking a huge assumption based on no evidence. I find people who lack actual facts and evidence fallback on petty fears and prejudices when making a statement. In your case, it seems you hate one particular religion. An you enjoy fanning the flames of hatred and ignorance to make petty attacks on people you have never met.

Politesub53 -> RE: christmas island, a muslims paradise. (1/20/2014 3:27:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 Km, but it's not about "race and religion" is it? If you or I could sneak into a foreign country then that means we can stay? We just tell them we're "poor" or "persecuted" or something like that and they'll be glad to take thousands of us in to live off their taxpayers, right? WTF do you think its about then Pops, given the word "Muslim" in the title. As they say in the States "heres your clue" christmas island, a muslims paradise Worked it out yet, or do I need to expand. [8\|]

PeonForHer -> RE: christmas island, a muslims paradise. (1/20/2014 3:54:23 AM)
It's a bloody disgrace. Why can't people stay at home? People who basically aren't wanted in their own country, wandering around the world looking for any soft-touch nation that's silly enough to welcome them to one of its forums.

tweakabelle -> RE: christmas island, a muslims paradise. (1/20/2014 4:00:53 AM)
According to the media here, most asylum seekers arriving here by boat are from Sri Lanka, Iraq and Afghanistan. All 3 of these countries have been racked by war for most of the past several decades. So much for the 'economic refugee' thesis. Sri Lanka's civil war was between the majority Singhalese (who happen to be Buddhists) and minority Tamils (Hindus). This is not compelling evidence to support the Islamophobic tone of the OP. Iraq and Afghanistan are Muslim countries that share the privilege of being invaded by Western military forces in the not too distant past. Many of the Afghani and all of the Iraqi asylum seekers can be said to be fleeing the consequences of Western military interventions in their home countries. It is a sad fact that xenophobic and sectarian fears have been stoked by right wing Australian politicians seeking power, preying on the fears and ignorance of the electorate in much the same manner as the OP. This has inflamed fears and exacerbated antagonism towards asylum seekers here. People arriving by boat seeking asylum has been a sensitive issue here since the influx of Vietnamese boat people in the 1970s - fleeing guess what? yes another disastrous Western military adventure in a foreign land.

MrBukani -> RE: christmas island, a muslims paradise. (1/20/2014 4:39:56 AM)
[image]http://jimbocyberdoc.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/boat_people.jpg[/image] [:D] http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/17/magazine/the-impossible-refugee-boat-lift-to-christmas-island.html?_r=0 Read this I aint suckin it out my thumb most refugees are muslims, sure there are other fortune seekers. The point here is, Indonesia is a pretty stable country. Why don't they take the refugees? Answer? And what about staying in your own country and fighting for freedom like most europeans did during WWII?

MrBukani -> RE: christmas island, a muslims paradise. (1/20/2014 4:44:54 AM)
SYDNEY, Australia – Australia has announced a hardline illegal immigration policy – probably the toughest in the Western world – and by doing so has set up a showdown with international law and human rights groups, earned the ire of major world associations, and drawn out the naysayers from the United Nations. Last week, Prime Minister Kevin Rudd announced that all asylum seekers who arrive in Australia by boat will be sent to Papua New Guinea for processing and resettlement and none will be allowed to stay in the country. That’s none, as in not one. Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/07/australia-illegals-not-welcome/#CuSrrktQs73cTwt9.99 You gotta love them aussies.[:D] I think Tweak represents a definite minority opinion in her homeland.[;)]

tweakabelle -> RE: christmas island, a muslims paradise. (1/20/2014 5:08:21 AM)
If you are going to post about Australian politics Mr B, you might ensure you get the basic details right. Kevin Rudd is no longer the PM. He lost the election last Sept. Your report is 5 months old and inaccurate. Not that little things like accuracy and facts make a lot of difference to bigots. Getting the facts right has never been a concern for any bigot in full flight, has it?

mnottertail -> RE: christmas island, a muslims paradise. (1/20/2014 6:37:25 AM)
WND is not something that could remotely be called credibly citeable. But wait a minute, it can't be an islamic paradise, they don't celebrate Christmas, maybe they are looking to change their religions, and that is why they are going to the island?

Lucylastic -> RE: christmas island, a muslims paradise. (1/20/2014 6:48:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle If you are going to post about Australian politics Mr B, you might ensure you get the basic details right. Kevin Rudd is no longer the PM. He lost the election last Sept. Your report is 5 months old and inaccurate. Not that little things like accuracy and facts make a lot of difference to bigots. Getting the facts right has never been a concern for any bigot in full flight, has it? just when you thought they couldnt get more ugly...they do... Fucking WND for christs sake? What is it they say about their headlines, a source for every dumbarse and a dumbarse for every source?

KMsAngel -> RE: christmas island, a muslims paradise. (1/20/2014 11:03:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer It's a bloody disgrace. Why can't people stay at home? People who basically aren't wanted in their own country, wandering around the world looking for any soft-touch nation that's silly enough to welcome them to one of its forums. indeed. the irony of course, is that australia as it currently stands is made up mostly of peoples who were (originally) not wanted in their own country and the politicians agitating to keep immigrants out are immigrants themselves, their families have just been hanging around for generations.

popeye1250 -> RE: christmas island, a muslims paradise. (1/20/2014 2:05:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle According to the media here, most asylum seekers arriving here by boat are from Sri Lanka, Iraq and Afghanistan. All 3 of these countries have been racked by war for most of the past several decades. So much for the 'economic refugee' thesis. Sri Lanka's civil war was between the majority Singhalese (who happen to be Buddhists) and minority Tamils (Hindus). This is not compelling evidence to support the Islamophobic tone of the OP. Iraq and Afghanistan are Muslim countries that share the privilege of being invaded by Western military forces in the not too distant past. Many of the Afghani and all of the Iraqi asylum seekers can be said to be fleeing the consequences of Western military interventions in their home countries. It is a sad fact that xenophobic and sectarian fears have been stoked by right wing Australian politicians seeking power, preying on the fears and ignorance of the electorate in much the same manner as the OP. This has inflamed fears and exacerbated antagonism towards asylum seekers here. People arriving by boat seeking asylum has been a sensitive issue here since the influx of Vietnamese boat people in the 1970s - fleeing guess what? yes another disastrous Western military adventure in a foreign land. Tweak, if it's not about being "economic refugees" then they should have no problem going to China, Japan, Maylaisia,Madagascar etc, right? And "phobia" means "fear of" not dislike for. The problem here is that they are trying to turn "their problems" into "someone else's problems." If it's so bad in their own contries they need to kill everyone in their governments and start anew. Weapons these days are extremely plentiful and cheap to be had. (just ask our Atty General Eric Holder.) We have the same problem here in the U.S. with our "friend" Mexico. That's the latest scam, "asylum" because of ..."drug violence." That is a local police matter not a matter for foreign countries to be handling. As a U.S. Citizen I don't exist to be solving the problems of foreign countries. We have too many problems in this country that are not being dealt with, I assume you've heard of he "successes" of our president... Foggy Bottom. I do agree that "The West" should mind it's own business and not get involved in the problems of foreign countries.

PeonForHer -> RE: christmas island, a muslims paradise. (1/20/2014 5:15:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KMsAngel quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer It's a bloody disgrace. Why can't people stay at home? People who basically aren't wanted in their own country, wandering around the world looking for any soft-touch nation that's silly enough to welcome them to one of its forums. indeed. the irony of course, is that australia as it currently stands is made up mostly of peoples who were (originally) not wanted in their own country and the politicians agitating to keep immigrants out are immigrants themselves, their families have just been hanging around for generations. I don't know . . . it's all very sad, KMsAngel. Clearly, here we have a fine upstanding Dutchman like Mr Bukani, whose views on central matters have led to his being persecuted in the forums of his home land. So he bravely sets sail to seek asylum for his innovative and colourful views in the forums of other countries. Personally, I think we should all strive not to leap to instinctive and woefully prejudiced views on him, e.g. that he's a complete fucking cretin, with nothing to offer but some stuffed up, reactionary and utterly uneducated opinions that he fondly imagines are 'highly individual' because he's 'so anti PC', etc . . . and learn to recognise him as a human of equal value to the rest of us. [:)]

Dvr22999874 -> RE: christmas island, a muslims paradise. (1/20/2014 5:21:19 PM)
Sorry, you are wrong. Australia is made up mostly of free immigrants. There were comparatively few convicts but you are right about the politicians being descended from that mixture. Mosy of them don't seem to have ascended far from babboons if you should ever have the misfortune to watch our parliament in action

Lucylastic -> RE: christmas island, a muslims paradise. (1/20/2014 5:46:09 PM)
Parliaments everywhere are pretty much the same

tweakabelle -> RE: christmas island, a muslims paradise. (1/21/2014 12:40:04 AM)
It is an interesting fact that vast majority of 'illegal immigrants' here are white Europeans, primarily native English speakers from the UK and Ireland, who overstay their visas. Their reasons for doing so are unashamedly economic (wages here are higher, cost of living lower) and lifestyle. Yet the term 'illegal immigrant' invariably conjures up an image of a Middle Eastern or Asian, usually Muslim, definitely non-white. The OP is a good example of this, framing the 'illegal immigrant' problem in terms of Muslims from Central and Middle Eastern Asia as the 'problem population'. It's not about 'economic refugees'. If it was, the focus would be on white Europeans. So, a lot of the debate here is race-driven

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