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RE: can you have date nights - 1/24/2014 3:38:54 PM   
FieryOpal


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ORIGINAL: highhopes4us

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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

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I have small kids so I was with them for the holidays.....So no we weren't with each other per say we did speak through out the day. Going to his home is not an option for me, We do not live near each other

This doesn't make any sense. How are you two seeing each other a few times a week as you said earlier if you do not live near each other?

Our typical week is seeing each other few times a week. Sometimes if time allows we go to lunch dinner or the movies... I do enjoy that... BUT it always ends with playtime!!!!


Reading between the lines, this is what I'm concluding. Please feel free to refute me on any point, highhopes4us. I am not a mind reader.
The issue of casual play and doing your own thing doesn't apply here because 1) this is a serious, longstanding relationship insofar as you are concerned, and 2) you have indirectly brought your children into the mix.

- Your Master is a married man with a family of his own, so this is why you are used to accommodating him at every turn (besides the fact that you want to continue being his slave).
- This is also why you cannot visit him at home, not that he lives so far away. (This is also probably why your Master is not an integrated part of your children's lives.)
- You have bought into the misguided concept of slavish devotion to someone who is not treating you with the same level of commitment that you do him.
- Therefore, you are the "other woman." D/s-M/s-BDSM has little to nothing to do with this entanglement.
- You have been on CM seeking another couple to play with and could easily update your profile to reflect differently if this is no longer your intention. I'm going to assume this was your Master's idea and if so, you are not exclusive to him in his mind. Why else would you deny it?
- You have put up with this situation (and I'm sure many, many other impositions you have swept aside) believing that your Master is going to leave his wife-SO-mother of his children to be with you.
- This is why you have rationalized that you are not jeopardizing your children's welfare or that you are not being selfish in choosing your Master over them.
- An investment of 4-1/2 years with anybody makes it hard for you to cut your losses and do better for yourself, and for your children's sakes. But unless you are willing to walk away, and your Master can tell that you mean business, nothing is going to change for the better. He will continue to have his cake and eat it, too.

What you should do is write down your Hard Limit Deal Breakers. Every slave should have them, and every slave is entitled to have them, despite whatever pre-conceived notion you may have about what constitutes slavery or what any Dominant may have told you--they weren't telling you the truth. List at least 5-6, not so many that it might appear to be a list of demands. I have a sneaking suspicion you went into this in a "no-limits" capacity. There is no such thing as legal slavery, you are not your Master's legally owned property, and you have every right to re-negotiate the terms of your D/s-M/s relationship with your Master.

As someone else might have said earlier, being submissive does not mean you cannot stand up for yourself and REFUSE TO BE USED like "a piece on the side" against your will.

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RE: can you have date nights - 1/24/2014 4:17:39 PM   
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OMG where does it say in any of my posts that Master is married? HE is not believe me.......I am sure looking for another couple to play with isn't earth shattering.. Look thank you for the replies and your input... I m just going to figure this out as a rational mature woman..... Thanks

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RE: can you have date nights - 1/24/2014 4:24:01 PM   
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What is rational about allowing yourself to get to the point of real upset because a dom of many years hasn't had the mindset of focusing on what keeps his submissive well tuned? What is rational about wanting to work things out with a man that clearly has defaulted in his relationship with you by showing that you are of little worth to him besides the booty calls?

What is rational about allowing a long term relationship to remain stagnant and unfulfilled and wanting to still work it out?

You have either presented this man in a poor light or yourself... or could it be both? Whether he is married or not, he doesn't have time to do more than get his fill of your body. What about your mind? Your heart? You may be okay with a man that uses you... go be happy if it is... but you came here because you weren't happy.

Why don't you worry about that and how it got that way, than the other things you seem focused on?

A man that doesn't communicate in the areas of importance to you is avoiding the truth and stalling for time. You figure out the motive if you are going to be reasonable and rational. Why ask us?

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RE: can you have date nights - 1/24/2014 4:40:35 PM   
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highhopes, if you don't mind, how old are your two children? They sound pretty young if you can't leave the house. Under the age of 4 perhaps?

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RE: can you have date nights - 1/24/2014 5:09:05 PM   
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So, why ask can d/s have statements if you two already do.
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ORIGINAL: highhopes4us

The issue isn't what it is..... Its more of the timing of it.. Sometimes we just don't have the time..



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RE: can you have date nights - 1/24/2014 10:48:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: highhopes4us

I have small kids so I was with them for the holidays.....So no we weren't with each other per say we did speak through out the day. Going to his home is not an option for me, We do not live near each other


Why didn't he spend the holidays with you and your kids? If he can get there for sex, there's no reason he can't get there for Christmas. too.

Do your kids like him? Have they met him? After 4 years, have you met his parents?

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RE: can you have date nights - 1/25/2014 7:36:05 AM   
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Well, OP, do as you wish. You are right in that we don't know him, and you do. It does sometimes help to have neutral, non-involved people take a look and give their opinions. In reality, you aren't happy with how things are. You've asked him to have a conversation about this thing that is making you unhappy. He has essentially refused to have that conversation. You remain unhappy. The reason you are unhappy are the very things people are bringing up that HAVE TO BE the things you are thinking.

Hey! How come you have time to come over for a little sex / play, but there's no time for dinner out? I NEED some non-sexy time with you.

Isn't that basically what you are saying? And people here are saying that too!

So ... what IS the answer? Why isn't your need for connection important enough even to TALK about let alone DO something about?

Your concerns and needs are valid. We all deserve to have these things addressed.

Good luck,
sunshine

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RE: can you have date nights - 1/25/2014 9:04:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss
Your concerns and needs are valid. We all deserve to have these things addressed.

I nominate THIS for sunnys quote of the day.


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RE: can you have date nights - 1/25/2014 10:37:50 AM   
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Jeez, you guys. I feel as though either I am blind, or all the rest of you are. Maybe try this on for size?

Woman has vanilla relationship with man, maybe more than one man. She also wants kink in her life. So she finds a dom who is ok with her getting pregnant by some other guy, because he only sees her when it's mutually convenient. Fast forward a few years. Father (or fathers) of the kids are no longer in the picture, so she finally wants to promote her beat-n-fuck buddy to boyfriend status. Meanwhile, he's like, "Screw that noise. This isn't all about you. You weren't emotionally available when I wanted you to be, so this is all you get now."

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RE: can you have date nights - 1/25/2014 12:09:41 PM   
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Either way Red... that's a whole lot of game playin.

Life is just better without it.

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RE: can you have date nights - 1/25/2014 2:08:09 PM   
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Red, to me "small children" are under indeed preschool age - but who knows what that phrase means to the OP?

So, highhopes4us - how old are your children?

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RE: can you have date nights - 1/25/2014 2:40:28 PM   
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I'm wondering if the children are four years old and younger, is your master the father of your children?

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RE: can you have date nights - 1/25/2014 2:57:32 PM   
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To the OP,

I am sorry, but you are not an innocent young girl.

You are a grown woman who makes decisions.

You are making a decision by staying in a relationship that only gives you sex/play. I was in a long term relationship where I started not having my needs met. I DID communicate, he could not provide what I wanted, so I got out.

I knew it was MY fault for staying after I communicated my needs and they were ignored. I did not have to ask a message board about this, I knew I was accepting less because I was crazy about our chemistry.

Stop asking strangers to comment on things only you and he know.

And don't get defensive when you hear things you don't want to hear.

I hope you find the strength to let go, rather than settle. I have found that I am better alone, than accepting less.

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RE: can you have date nights - 1/25/2014 3:28:59 PM   
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Great post sexyred!!

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RE: can you have date nights - 1/25/2014 3:32:01 PM   
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Thanks!

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