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RE: breast milking - 2/1/2014 7:33:11 PM   
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Yeah, Id rather they stick their dick in it for an hour first....

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RE: breast milking - 2/1/2014 7:41:49 PM   
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And now let's all the ladies in here tell the men how their penises work and feel. Hell, they're just as resiliant as a tittie, grab on, give them a good yankin' and twistin' for half an hour and suck the bejesus outta them, too! Easy peasy!

Trust me, not all titties are made the same. Some aren't so resiliant, as you'd know if you'd ever nursed a newborn who was, in lay terms, a "vigorous nurser".


Don't be absurd, I never said they were - designed the same. 9 inch dicks ain't supposed to be rammed in your ass either. The anus is much more sensitive. I am sorry I am not clueless....... In BDSM especially S&M we do things which are not always supposed to be done, put the body in positions it ought not be. Just have a clue, be aware and be careful. This thread has nothing to do with dicks....... That is called CBT and ya the dick is resilient too. Though unlike the breast it evolved quite different.

If you don't like your boobies tied up and slapped around. That is fine. No one is kicking mud at you.

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RE: breast milking - 2/1/2014 8:17:31 PM   
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Men have nipples too, Esinn. So why don't you try the goat milking machine on yours and report back how it feels.

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RE: breast milking - 2/1/2014 8:31:11 PM   
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Men have nipples too, Esinn. So why don't you try the goat milking machine on yours and report back how it feels.



LOL! I thought of that movie... WTF was it called with Robert Dinero (Sp).....

Why?

Because I do not want to be milked - it really is that simple. Who the hell would you be to judge me if I did? I am simply saying we ram things in peoples anuses, choke the crap out of the, slap their ass till it literally clots, practice suspensions or breast hanging..... You, like the others are being absurd. If you are not a painslut who wants to be a hucow. That is fine. Why open your mouth though when others are trying to talk about it? Under no circumstances do I want to be a HUCOW... I relate 101% :P

I linked a great book... It costs $2.99..... If you send me some nudes of yourself and your address I will buy that book.

Probably 50-70% or more of edge play we do in S&M in all honesty shouldn't be done. Of course you will not attack your own kinks or fetishes like this. Just others.

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RE: breast milking - 2/2/2014 2:36:52 AM   
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What? Tits are resilient..... They were literally designed (evolved) to be abused. Though not with HUCOWS/BDSM involved.

We use toys in BDSM world such as tens units or worse which are commonly and safely used. The fact the structure of the breast is complex is neither here nor there. You go milk yourself with a pump you buy at the dollarstore and let him play with th the real one..... See who fills the jugs first...

The whole HUCOW thing is supposed to be primal.



Firstly, we don't have the dollar store in the UK, but if you can buy human breast pumps in the dollar store I will show my arse on the town hall steps. (p.s. Why is a human milk pump 'dollar store' crap but one made for goats 'real'? they're both real, just made for different animals, and you'll notice I recommended a human pump which was over the $1000 mark. How you could imagine that would be LESS effective baffles me)

Here's the thing - I HAVE been 'milked' - extensively. I had a child with feeding problems and I fed that baby with pumped breast milk for nine months. No formula. No solids until six months old. I am very well acquainted with what gets the milk flowing - I'm not just talking out of my ass. I had the benefits of pregnancy hormones, of lactation consultants, and of hospital quality breast pumps made with human boobs in mind. I STILL suffered pain and injury - thankfully temporary - even though I did everything right, because pumping in general is imperfect. Had I done something ridiculous like used cattle equipment, there's a good chance that a) I'd have been permanently injured and b) the baby would have starved.

Where do you get that tits were evolved to be abused? I'd like to know where in our evolution women who had boobs that coped well with being sucked repeatedly into narrow tubes survived better/bred better and hence were selected for.

Jesus, this is common sense.

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RE: breast milking - 2/2/2014 6:10:46 AM   
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Where do you get that tits were evolved to be abused? I'd like to know where in our evolution women who had boobs that coped well with being sucked repeatedly into narrow tubes survived better/bred better and hence were selected for. Jesus, this is common sense.


Exactly. Very well stated, Athena. But common sense unfortunately spoils the fantasy. I just seriously hope that anyone really thinking about this does develop the sense to keep it as fantasy and not try to do this in real life.

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RE: breast milking - 2/2/2014 6:15:52 AM   
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Where do you get that tits were evolved to be abused? I'd like to know where in our evolution women who had boobs that coped well with being sucked repeatedly into narrow tubes survived better/bred better and hence were selected for.



There's an old saying: "There are certain parts of the body that God only meant to be treated nicely". In my experience, breasts fall into that category.





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RE: breast milking - 2/2/2014 7:53:39 AM   
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Where do you get that tits were evolved to be abused? I'd like to know where in our evolution women who had boobs that coped well with being sucked repeatedly into narrow tubes survived better/bred better and hence were selected for.



There's an old saying: "There are certain parts of the body that God only meant to be treated nicely". In my experience, breasts fall into that category.





Agreed-as long as we define nicely as in whipping with canes, skewering with steel,burning with cigarettes, piercing the nipples and beating with heavy studded leather straps.
That sounds much nice, neh?

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RE: breast milking - 2/2/2014 8:33:19 AM   
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I'm not against people doing risky things. I'm against people doing them blindly. The OP specifically asked for safety tips and whether it was ok.

When someone engages in skewering a boob, for example, it's almost impossible NOT to realize it's a risky game. Which would hopefully mean they give some thoughts to those risks and figure out whether it's worth it and/or whether they can minimize the risks. The impression I got from the OP was 'hey that looks sexy, I'll give it a go' with no understanding of the risks. There's a huge difference between setting out to do some extreme play and making something relatively safe into a dangerous thing through ignorance.

Also, generally speaking, people don't engage in tit-beating 10 times a day for months on end, which would be the required schedule for inducing lactation. No healing time, and extended opportunities for damage.

I'd also say for the record, I'm not against milking as a fetish and I could probably give some useful tips to someone embarking on induced lactation. What I am against is people not thinking it through, or using things like 'seen it in porn' or 'tits were literally designed to be abused' as an excuse to just skip to the fun part without considering potential long term effects.

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RE: breast milking - 2/2/2014 8:44:10 AM   
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RE: breast milking - 2/2/2014 9:53:56 AM   
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quote:

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What? Tits are resilient..... They were literally designed (evolved) to be abused. Though not with HUCOWS/BDSM involved.

We use toys in BDSM world such as tens units or worse which are commonly and safely used. The fact the structure of the breast is complex is neither here nor there. You go milk yourself with a pump you buy at the dollarstore and let him play with th the real one..... See who fills the jugs first...

The whole HUCOW thing is supposed to be primal.



Firstly, we don't have the dollar store in the UK, but if you can buy human breast pumps in the dollar store I will show my arse on the town hall steps. (p.s. Why is a human milk pump 'dollar store' crap but one made for goats 'real'? they're both real, just made for different animals, and you'll notice I recommended a human pump which was over the $1000 mark. How you could imagine that would be LESS effective baffles me)

Here's the thing - I HAVE been 'milked' - extensively. I had a child with feeding problems and I fed that baby with pumped breast milk for nine months. No formula. No solids until six months old. I am very well acquainted with what gets the milk flowing - I'm not just talking out of my ass. I had the benefits of pregnancy hormones, of lactation consultants, and of hospital quality breast pumps made with human boobs in mind. I STILL suffered pain and injury - thankfully temporary - even though I did everything right, because pumping in general is imperfect. Had I done something ridiculous like used cattle equipment, there's a good chance that a) I'd have been permanently injured and b) the baby would have starved.

Where do you get that tits were evolved to be abused? I'd like to know where in our evolution women who had boobs that coped well with being sucked repeatedly into narrow tubes survived better/bred better and hence were selected for.

Jesus, this is common sense.
(This will be my last comment here)...

The only purpose of a tit is to have milk extracted from it (by force). Many of these animals could tear most types of flesh apart with just pressure alone. Here is a good doctors name to start with The Tit Evolution

For humans when food is scarce mom's tits supplied nourishment for much longer then in modern times. Breasts adopted (successful strategy from earlier animals) and adapted to this (evolved) Most modern scientist suggest The areola is different colors because of blood flow... the medium it is flowing through.... Different types of tissue exist around the nipple to adsorb or better tolerate "abuse" . Where as tissue along the anus wall has not evolved this way. The dick can also take abuse as well though it evolved for more "flexibility" or counter pressure applied by a female.. (If you are genuinely interested start with the Dr above).

If a bitch wants to be milked like a cow.. Or if a male bitch wants to go through the steps and ritual of being milked like a cow. I NEVER WANT TO! More power to them. I think it is a pretty kinky, naughty and fun journey too.

All I am saying and possibly, I should be Less Of A Dick about it (express it more kindly), you absolutely can milk a human like a barn animal. I even provided one of many books. You absolutely can brand a slave, practice cuttings, breath play or blood play. Of course you do not milk a HUCOW daily for weeks on end or beat a slave for years.

:/ :? :? BREASTS ARE RESILIENT it is a demonstrable fact. It is how they have evolved. They are lovely, fun, to be respected, tasty and complex too. :P ?


Let me add of course tits which were stronger, more resistant, "healthier" and resilient were selected. I am sorry you do not understand biology. Do not take it out on me.

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RE: breast milking - 2/2/2014 10:20:58 AM   
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Apparently you missed my whole post saying that I'm not against people taking risks, I'm against blind risks. And you do in fact milk a HUCOW daily for weeks on end because that's what makes the milk flow.

The fact that boobs were designed to give milk for a long time does not make it safe to use equipment designed for goats. The link you provided was a call for women to take part in a survey about the dimensions of their breasts - nothing to do with whether farming equipment would damage them, nor in fact anything to do with how much 'abuse' a boob can safely take.

I don't doubt some animals can rip flesh apart. But the human breast is made for a human baby. Human babies can not rip flesh apart with their jaws. The breast has never needed to withstand that type of pressure. Even a child feeding until they were five years old is not the same as a freaking goat - for one thing any baby feeding past the age of teething learns quickly not to be rough with mama if they want the milk to continue.

Here is the thing - the entire human body has been through generations of evolution, selecting for toughness and resilience. And yet, it's an imperfect machine, easy to injure, easy to mistreat.

For the last time, I have nothing against people who want to induce lactation. I notice you list it as an interest yourself. Great! Have fun! But for god sake be informed, and make sure your potential partner is too, and take calculated risks instead of stubbornly insisting that there are none.

And once again - why use cattle equipment? Even if you're not concerned about safety, the human versions are cheaper and more effective.

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RE: breast milking - 2/2/2014 10:59:05 AM   
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Apparently you missed my whole post saying that I'm not against people taking risks, I'm against blind risks. And you do in fact milk a HUCOW daily for weeks on end because that's what makes the milk flow.

The fact that boobs were designed to give milk for a long time does not make it safe to use equipment designed for goats. The link you provided was a call for women to take part in a survey about the dimensions of their breasts - nothing to do with whether farming equipment would damage them, nor in fact anything to do with how much 'abuse' a boob can safely take.

I don't doubt some animals can rip flesh apart. But the human breast is made for a human baby. Human babies can not rip flesh apart with their jaws. The breast has never needed to withstand that type of pressure. Even a child feeding until they were five years old is not the same as a freaking goat - for one thing any baby feeding past the age of teething learns quickly not to be rough with mama if they want the milk to continue.

Here is the thing - the entire human body has been through generations of evolution, selecting for toughness and resilience. And yet, it's an imperfect machine, easy to injure, easy to mistreat.

For the last time, I have nothing against people who want to induce lactation. I notice you list it as an interest yourself. Great! Have fun! But for god sake be informed, and make sure your potential partner is too, and take calculated risks instead of stubbornly insisting that there are none.

And once again - why use cattle equipment? Even if you're not concerned about safety, the human versions are cheaper and more effective.


Wow? Are you being intentionally ignorant? I CLEARLY said the doctor. Do you want me to copy and paste it? I did not say the link. The doctor is one of the best known in the UK in the field we are speaking about. The fact you do not know him is not my fault.

We use cattle prods on slaves......... We use brands intended for cows or pigs on slaves...... You can also hook a bitch (M/F) up to any industrial machine on the market. I am not sorry you clearly do not understand evolution either. Men still have nipples. There is an adoption and adaptation process during the selection process. As one can and use use a tens unit on tits, pussy or scrotum or cattle prod on the ass. One can milk a human.

It takes about 120 days to milk a cow without artificial hormones (meds)

I guess I will be done when you stop intentionally trying to misrepresent what I say.



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RE: breast milking - 2/2/2014 11:17:29 AM   
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Please give me the name of any of Bridget Waller's papers on breast resilience and evolution, and I will read them (pretty sure that's a woman, btw). Currently I strongly doubt they will cover the topic on the safety of using goat milkers on human breasts, but I remain open minded. I glanced through her publications list and don't see anything that seems to be on this topic, perhaps you know of something else? http://www.bridgetwaller.com/page2.html

I don't deny we do dangerous shit all the time. I personally wouldn't use a cattle prod either, for safety concerns, but if others know the risks and still decide to do it, that's fine by me.

And I KNOW one can milk a human - I've done it! I'm not arguing with the practice, I'm saying that I don't understand why one would choose farming equipment to do it when there are products made specifically for humans. I also wouldn't bother using a human breast pump on a goat. Why would I?

A lot of the things you are saying seem tangential at best. Men have nipples. Right, and? I also wouldn't recommend men use goat milking devices on their nipples, in case that wasn't clear. But if he's done his research and deems it a worthwhile risk, it's nothing to do with me.

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RE: breast milking - 2/2/2014 2:01:07 PM   
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http://www.amazon.com/Milking-Breeding-Hucow-Willow-Baye-ebook/dp/B008G3PAVM


...aaaaaaaaaand here we go again with porn contamination.

Please carefully read the cover of that 'book'. It says: A Lactation and Role Play Story

Spend your money, wank to the book and others if you wish, but don't insist on confusing fantasy with reality.
I would not deign to tell you what doing sh*t to your penis feels like to you. Kindly do not tell women what it feels like and how it affects them.

This post reminds me of the 'Extreme Pleasure Breast Massage' dude. Anyone remember that guy? He wrote an Amazon e-book too and complained it was not selling well. Gee, ya think?

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RE: breast milking - 2/2/2014 2:13:46 PM   
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Gee...a male doctor AND a male in general knows more about a woman's tit than a woman.

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RE: breast milking - 2/2/2014 3:13:06 PM   
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It's not *entirely* germane to the subject at hand, I freely admit, but I've heard that if a chap regularly pumps one of his nipples, that nipple will eventually lactate. Is there a medically-trained person in the house who can confirm/refute this?

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RE: breast milking - 2/2/2014 3:28:24 PM   
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The only purpose of a tit is to have milk extracted from it (by force). Many of these animals could tear most types of flesh apart with just pressure alone. Here is a good doctors name to start with The Tit Evolution

Ok... I was bored, so I had a read from this wonderful link.

What do I find??
"Humans are the only primate to have breasts that are enlarged at all times, in contrast to other primates which have swollen breasts only when breastfeeding. This suggests that human breasts have a unique function that is not shared by other primates. What this unique function is, however, is unknown"

[ETA: and not to debunk your oh-so-expert on breasts doctor, has he not noticed that the vast majority of human women's breasts actually swell when they are breast feeding. Ergo, his "expert" knowledge is actually profoundly wrong!).]

So, mr know-all Esinn, where the fuck do you make the quantum leap from "unknown" (quoted from your own link) to this statement -
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ORIGINAL: Esinn
Different types of tissue exist around the nipple to adsorb or better tolerate "abuse" .
Let me add of course tits which were stronger, more resistant, "healthier" and resilient were selected. I am sorry you do not understand biology. Do not take it out on me.

I am sorry I don't quite manage the leap of faith from something unknown to something else quite intangible and ridiculous.
It's not biology or the understanding of it.
In fact, you have demonstrated a complete asshattery way of supposedly backing up your own bunkum lack of the subject matter at hand.


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RE: breast milking - 2/3/2014 5:38:11 PM   
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Interesting.

A psychologist doing a physiological study?

Ok, so he has a breast fetish and wants to write a paper on it.

Far from being a true expert.

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RE: breast milking - 2/3/2014 6:28:50 PM   
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Men have nipples too, Esinn. So why don't you try the goat milking machine on yours and report back how it feels.


I'm told (don't ask) that men also have lacrimal glands in those teats!

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