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freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Millions Are Now Realizing They're Too Poor For Obamacare (2/2/2014 9:06:18 AM)
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ORIGINAL: joether
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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
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ORIGINAL: joether
If the ACA is 'shit' as you state it, then perhaps each of you can supply me with your complete and detailed plan for a better healthcare system in America. When someone tells me that the President's plan sucks, I interpret that they have a much better idea that is well supported with documentation on hand. Only an idiot would attack the ACA and not have a better, well developed and strongly defendable under scrutiny of an idea, right?
Am I right in saying that the original ACA when it was first presented got an 11,000 page amandement by the repubs before they would approve it?
And since then, something like over a million extra pages in further amandments?
What you have now is nothing like what it should have been.
Detailed Analysis: It's too fucking expensive!
The whole thing is still based on greedy profiteering private insurance companies that are only interested in making mega-bucks, not providing true healthcare.
Answer: Pick any single-payer system that is running from around the world.
You can't go wrong.
Even if it's a complete and utter clusterfuck, it'll be cheaper and better than what you currently have.
Credits: These go to every country that have implemented such a system that benefits everyone in the country regardless of creed, colour, financial status or gender.
No human was harmed in the making of this suggestion.
I would probably guess that during the time it took to post this, 100+ people were cured/fixed and released from medical facilities/hospitals in single payer systems; up to 5 people filed for bankruptcy in the USA for medical bills they cannot pay, and a further 200+ American citizens resigned themselves to further pain because they have no medical insurance and cannot even afford a visit to a GP.
If this is your answer, you got an 'F'.
Really?
Maybe your misunderstanding of my answer means you are not qualified to mark it!
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ORIGINAL: joether
You failed to achieve anything let along a well structured and well defined system for this industry. Your analysis of 'what is wrong with the industry' is so completely non-exisistant you would have been better to just skip the idea of making one.
It's not an industry - it's healthcare.
And that is precisely why it should never be a profit-making industry.
Which is also why you can't see the solution - you, like several others on here, can only see "industry" and profits, not true healthcare without profits and fat cats.
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ORIGINAL: joether
A single payer system? Which one? How is it deployed? How is everything within it defined? How much does it cost? How much does it save all the entities? That is the whole reason of the challenge.
There are several single-payer systems running around the western world.
All are different, run differently, structured differently.
The only thing they have in common is.... they are all funded (in the most part) by the taxation system that every working person pays into and are distinctly separate entities from a private heath insurance scheme.
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ORIGINAL: joether
What your stating is the task is well above your educational level. I have a college education, and even I would find the question/task daunting to undertake. I'm not trying to bash you here (even if it sounds that way), but to show the concept really is not a simple task to solve. If it was, healthcare would not be a problem on any level (legal, financial, social, logistical, spiritual, or even political).
It is only inconceivable by those in the USA that have never experienced the wonders of any single payer system.
Americans can only envisage the greedy profiteering insurance system they have to live with.
The American people can pick any of the single payer systems that are used throughout a lot of western countries - even make a hybrid version of several.
Whatever one you pick, it's a ready-made working model that you can modify.
Whatever you do with it, it's going to be cheaper and shit-loads better than what you have now.
As for being 'above my educational level' is a joke.
For one, you don't know my education level; and for another, it is clearly identifiable to a reasonably educated 12-year old brought up in a single-payer system.
It's actually a discussion subject in our 8th-grade school classes because its considered an easy thing to discuss and arrive at sensible answers to.
The only people who can't see it are the American people and American law/policy makers.
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ORIGINAL: joether
Most Americans either are 'ok' with the ACA or want it improved upon. Yet most Americans do not know *HOW* to improve upon it. The hidden problem here is things are interconnected. A positive change 'here' could have a negative consequence 'there'. So the question becomes, how can we maximize positive changes while hindering the develop or growth of negative consequences? That is as hard of a question as I proposed in my challenge.
It's not a challenge at all.
For those of us using a single-payer system, it's a very simple no-brainer that most Americans can't visualize the concept of.
It's called.... scrap the healthcare insurance completely - make it optional. Yeah... real radical, I know.
Then, slap 10% on every wage/salary being paid to workers earning more than $10k.
Use that extra tax money, with any other money needed from the tax pot to pay for general healthcare.
No exclusions whatsoever.
Tell big pharma to take a hike. No more big profits.
Negotiate supplies costs from a national budget like you do with the military - no more mega-profits for suppliers.
Pay GP's, hospital staff and consultants a much lower fixed salary.
Cap the awards for lawsuits to sensible figures.
Thats what single-payer systems work like - and that is why they work, for everyone.
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