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ORIGINAL: smileforme50

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ORIGINAL: Blueswordsman

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ORIGINAL: smileforme50
Would you, as the Dominant partner in the relationship, have a problem with your sub or slave providing that kind of support to you? If you kept you financial matters apart from each other....would you have a problem asking her to lend you money?

I would never ask a sub for money, It's emasculating. If someone is a true dominant their financial life and credit should be in order.

" If someone is a true dominant their financial life and credit should be in order. "

That's a lovely sentiment....but in the current economy, there is no guarantee. I know peoplel from all education, skill and income levels who have lost their jobs and had a lot of trouble finding new jobs. Very few of them found jobs where they make as much money as they did in the past. Also, a "true dominant" could become disabled and no longer be able to work. Sure....his financial life and credit might be in order at the time of his illness or injury, but it's very hard to maintain those things 10-15 years down the line after you've been unable to work for so long.

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ORIGINAL: Blueswordsman

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ORIGINAL: smileforme50

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ORIGINAL: Blueswordsman

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ORIGINAL: smileforme50
Would you, as the Dominant partner in the relationship, have a problem with your sub or slave providing that kind of support to you? If you kept you financial matters apart from each other....would you have a problem asking her to lend you money?

I would never ask a sub for money, It's emasculating. If someone is a true dominant their financial life and credit should be in order.

" If someone is a true dominant their financial life and credit should be in order. "

That's a lovely sentiment....but in the current economy, there is no guarantee. I know peoplel from all education, skill and income levels who have lost their jobs and had a lot of trouble finding new jobs. Very few of them found jobs where they make as much money as they did in the past. Also, a "true dominant" could become disabled and no longer be able to work. Sure....his financial life and credit might be in order at the time of his illness or injury, but it's very hard to maintain those things 10-15 years down the line after you've been unable to work for so long.

My father worked three jobs to feed his family and my mother staid home. He was constantly getting laid off. The only loan he ever took was at Christmas. He considered himself two years behind everyone else because most families started Christmas saving account in January and he took out a loan in December. Our lights never went off and we were never hungry.

If you cant manage your finances and prepare for all of life's hurdles, you are not dominant. If you ask your sub to loan you money, you are not dominant.

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Well that explains everything. You live in NYC...different world from the rest of the world.

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You said we live in a much different time than your father did. You may be right. Many people have become weak willed and give up. Back then you didn't have the Luxury. Many of today’s children live in divorce because their parents are unhappy. Back then mommy and daddy worked it out. When I was a kid a man punched a punk in the mouth. Today you call a cop.

The economy has changed a lot. Has It? How many recessions have you been through? Ever wait on a gas line in the 70's?. The economy is like the weather. It's seasonal.

Your parents bought their first home before they were 30. You think young people cant do the same. Was your parents first home three bedrooms, one bathroom and no air conditioning? Most young people today are into instant self gratification. If the want to marry at all, it is after they purchased their Mc Mansion and matching BMWs.

Unless they are extremely lucky entrepreneurs, the chances of someone being able to do that in the 21st century is next to nothing. Yes and No … if the wanted love and a two bedroom house I think they could do it. Just reminded me of my first year of marriage. We were saving for a house's. Lived on franks and beans. Three Saturdays of every month were at friends houses smoking pot and playing ridiculous games. On the forth Saturday we parted.

You and I may have a different opinion of what Dominance is. I use logic, love, generosity and my unbreakable word to dominate my children, my clients an all aspects of my life.

If you're ever in NYC message me, I give good lunch.

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You said we live in a much different time than your father did. You may be right. Many people have become weak willed and give up. Back then you didn't have the Luxury. Many of today’s children live in divorce because their parents are unhappy. Back then mommy and daddy worked it out. When I was a kid a man punched a punk in the mouth. Today you call a cop. Mommy and Daddy working things out....meaning...they just wallowed in their misery instead of trying to become happy? What kind of solution is THAT? And since when has punching someone EVER been a good solution?

The economy has changed a lot. Has It? How many recessions have you been through? Ever wait on a gas line in the 70's?. The economy is like the weather. It's seasonal. Well...for one thing...back in my parents' day, a couple COULD drop out of high school as teenagers and still BUY a house on one income. There is no way in hell you could do that today.....do you really think that's "seasonal" or that it's ever going to change?

Your parents bought their first home before they were 30. You think young people cant do the same. Was your parents first home three bedrooms, one bathroom and no air conditioning? Most young people today are into instant self gratification. If the want to marry at all, it is after they purchased their Mc Mansion and matching BMWs. No....not at all....you are very wrong about that.
First of all...what I said was that they were able to buy their first house...actually when they were TWENTY....when NEITHER one of them had even a high school diploma. THAT is what I said wouldn't happen today. Second, not everybody looks for instant gratification with the biggest house they can find. Maybe that's what they do in NY, but not around here. My ex-bf bought a 2 bedroom townhouse with a postage stamp back yard, no front yard...that was the driveway. It was about 1100 sq ft....smaller than the house I grew up in. He paid $115,000 for it about 14 years ago. There are other townhouses down the road from where I live that I think are a bit bigger than his that START at $230,000....and this is NOT even considered a good nieghborhood. There is no way in hell I would be able to afford even a crappy townhouse on what I make, and that has nothing to do with the my wanting instant gratification with a McMansion. You're talking to a girl whose TV is 24 years old. Instant gratification?? What's that?

Unless they are extremely lucky entrepreneurs, the chances of someone being able to do that in the 21st century is next to nothing. Yes and No … if the wanted love and a two bedroom house I think they could do it. Just reminded me of my first year of marriage. We were saving for a house's. Lived on franks and beans. Three Saturdays of every month were at friends houses smoking pot and playing ridiculous games. On the forth Saturday we parted. [/color=#000099]
Good....I'll send you my bank statement and pay stubs and rent and bills and then YOU tell ME how the F*** I would ever be able to afford to buy a house on what I make. This I'd like to see.....

You and I may have a different opinion of what Dominance is. I use logic, love, generosity and my unbreakable word to dominate my children, my clients an all aspects of my life.
And just how does logic, love, generosity and your unbreakable word pay the bills? If you don't make enough money, you can't afford to do certain things....like buy a house. If the economy doesn't give you access to decent paying jobs....you're can't afford to do certain things. I don't care how dominant you are. The last time I checked, the electric and phone companies don't accept "love" or "logic" as forms of payment. Dominance has absolutely nothing to do with it. You can be Dominant and still lose your job, or become disabled....dominance isn't going to keep a roof over your head.

If you're ever in NYC message me, I give good lunch.

Like I said....if you can show me how to afford to buy a house on what I make.....

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You said we live in a much different time than your father did. You may be right. Many people have become weak willed and give up. Back then you didn't have the Luxury. Many of today’s children live in divorce because their parents are unhappy. Back then mommy and daddy worked it out. When I was a kid a man punched a punk in the mouth. Today you call a cop.

The economy has changed a lot. Has It? How many recessions have you been through? Ever wait on a gas line in the 70's?. The economy is like the weather. It's seasonal.

Your parents bought their first home before they were 30. You think young people cant do the same. Was your parents first home three bedrooms, one bathroom and no air conditioning? Most young people today are into instant self gratification. If the want to marry at all, it is after they purchased their Mc Mansion and matching BMWs.

Unless they are extremely lucky entrepreneurs, the chances of someone being able to do that in the 21st century is next to nothing. Yes and No … if the wanted love and a two bedroom house I think they could do it. Just reminded me of my first year of marriage. We were saving for a house's. Lived on franks and beans. Three Saturdays of every month were at friends houses smoking pot and playing ridiculous games. On the forth Saturday we parted.

You and I may have a different opinion of what Dominance is. I use logic, love, generosity and my unbreakable word to dominate my children, my clients an all aspects of my life.

If you're ever in NYC message me, I give good lunch.

Not all parents stayed together then.
I am only a few years younger than you and mine divorced when I was 7.

I do not resent my dad for finding lasting happiness with my [step]mom.

The long lines at the gaspumps did not last as long as being unemployed lasts for many now.
And the dollar went much further.

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I've been with men who were in a tight spot due to the economy. They would have Master's degrees, had a wonderful 3 figure a month job and then kaboom! They're out of a job due to cutbacks or whatever.

Did I help them out financially? Of course.Did I see them as emasculated? Absolutely not! And I don't think they felt anything less of themselves. They would have done the same thing for me had I been in their shoes.

It had nothing to do with being poor character or anything. It had to do with something out of their control. I think in this world we live in today, the financial security view needs to change a bit.

Now if I was in a relationship with some guy who was lazy, couldn't get off his lazy ass to do anything such as housework or look for a job or has a job and spends it all drinking or buying all his little man toys instead of being responsible....not THAT is not someone I would see as good character.

See the difference?

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With respect, If you think "if you can show me how to afford to buy a house on what I make" is funny. No one can help you. A truth... A great salesperson can't sell a bad product and a bad salesman can instantly sell out a great product. Understand that, All you have to do is find the product.

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WTF does that have to do with my comment about you showing me how to afford to buy a house on my earnings? I don't care how great the product is, if it costs $50,000 and all I have leftover at the end of the month is $5.00.....that "great salesman" isn't selling me anything.

Or are you just saying that you are a bad salesman?

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WTF does that have to do with my comment about you showing me how to afford to buy a house on my earnings? I don't care how great the product is, if it costs $50,000 and all I have leftover at the end of the month is $5.00.....that "great salesman" isn't selling me anything.

Or are you just saying that you are a bad salesman?

It has everything to do with you buying a house. This board is not the appropriate place to discuss career choices or personal success. If you want me to explain, message me.

You BF sounds like a proud man that would rather tough it out than except help from his GF. Admirable quality.

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It's manly