Where did Bdsm Come from, Who started it?

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MistyMenthal -> Where did Bdsm Come from, Who started it? (7/5/2006 11:00:38 PM)
Where did Bdsm Come from? How long has it been around? Just something roaming around my Smokey head as I pondered, Who could have been the first Slave, Submissive, Master, Mistress, Switch? Was Einstien a Submissive/Slave, or a Dominate/Switch? Obviously Hitler was Dominate.. Was Adam Dominate or was it Eve? How many people of the past do You know that where Dominate or Sub/Slave? quote: "How ever long it has been around I'm Glad to be a part of it!" Blowing SMOKE Misty

Lordandmaster -> RE: Where did Bdsm Come from, Who started it? (7/5/2006 11:28:05 PM)
What gives you that idea? No one really knows very much about his sexual preferences (although that doesn't stop people from speculating about it and selling books), but the few indications are that he was a repressed masochist, possibly a homosexual. There's certainly no evidence that he had anything like a BDSM relationship as a dom with a submissive woman. quote: ORIGINAL: MistyMenthal Obviously Hitler was Dominate..

juliaoceania -> RE: Where did Bdsm Come from, Who started it? (7/5/2006 11:31:38 PM)
I am going to go out on a limb and say that it has always been a part of human sexuality, even if it is latent. Is it still BDSM even if we did not call it that? Personally I think Ds, SM and all the variations thereof have been around longer than there were humans.. it seemingly exists with other primates. I do not think that you meant the question the way I took it, and I am interested in what we know as BDSM began in the "formal" way it is practiced. I have read several places it began with the leather community in the USA,..But I wouldn't know since I wasn't there... I just caught that Hitler reference on edit Hitler is not my idea of someone naturally dominant, if you read books like "Inside The Third Reich" you would see what I mean. I do not think we can have any idea of what people's orientation is based on their vanilla actions anyways.. Even in saying this I must say that Hitler was delusional in many ways, not my idea of a "man in control"

Estring -> RE: Where did Bdsm Come from, Who started it? (7/5/2006 11:34:01 PM)
BD started about 30 years ago in Austria. SM started a few years earlier in China.

slavejali -> RE: Where did Bdsm Come from, Who started it? (7/6/2006 12:23:08 AM)
Celeste started it 23 years ago yesterday [:)]

IronBear -> RE: Where did Bdsm Come from, Who started it? (7/6/2006 12:27:56 AM)
Was Ceasar a dominat? probably Was Marc Anthony a submissive? Hell yes Cleopatra had him wrapped about her pinkie. Was Caligula a (you name it)? Probably he brought perversion to new heights... Were the Cavemen Dominants? If what is posited about their use of clubs I'd imagine so.. So Who started it.. An interplanetary war between Mars (for men) and Venus (for women). The Milky Way is all that cum shot all over from the rape and pillage.. Well mostly rape.. My theory anyway...

BitaTruble -> RE: Where did Bdsm Come from, Who started it? (7/6/2006 12:34:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slavejali Celeste started it 23 years ago yesterday [:)] Trublemaker! [sm=crop.gif] And it was 24 years and three days ago (it's after midnight here!) [8D] Celeste

slavejali -> RE: Where did Bdsm Come from, Who started it? (7/6/2006 12:36:44 AM)
oh....yes Your Foundership[:)]

MstrTiger -> RE: Where did Bdsm Come from, Who started it? (7/6/2006 1:34:31 AM)
The terms sadism and masochism were invented by Dr Richard von Krafft-Ebing in his book Psycopathia Sexualis which was first published in 1886 so before then I am not really sure how people defined their sexual roles. I don’t think if Caligula or Nero were around today they would be classed as dominants, they would more than likely be in a mental asylum. It does not really work when people to impose modern concepts of sexual morality or modern defined sexual roles onto people who were unaware of them in their own time.

SusanofO -> RE: Where did Bdsm Come from, Who started it? (7/6/2006 1:56:41 AM)
I agree with juliaoceania, although I think also that wasn't probably the Q, and love it when people have actual facts; thank you Mstr Tiger - this message board can be so educational. Sidenote: Hitler's father was a very, very sadistic father. Adolf was brutally beaten as a child - no excuse for what he did, but he was. I read that somewhere, I forget where. - Susan

RavenMuse -> RE: Where did Bdsm Come from, Who started it? (7/6/2006 2:26:53 AM)
Ug the neandertal decided to court young missy Uglinka. Grabbed her by the hair to drag her into his cave.... she liked it and thus BDSM was born! I believe they are both still on the U.S. lecture circuit [;)]

Sirandlittle1 -> RE: Where did Bdsm Come from, Who started it? (7/6/2006 2:59:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster What gives you that idea? No one really knows very much about his sexual preferences (although that doesn't stop people from speculating about it and selling books), but the few indications are that he was a repressed masochist, possibly a homosexual. There's certainly no evidence that he had anything like a BDSM relationship as a dom with a submissive woman. quote: ORIGINAL: MistyMenthal Obviously Hitler was Dominate.. Its a well recorded fact, that Hitler was in fact a submissive masochist. He would crave his fix of CBT and had in fact come a cropper one day whilst doing so. Where his testicle was completely severed in a tragic knife play incident. little1

SusanofO -> RE: Where did Bdsm Come from, Who started it? (7/6/2006 3:01:55 AM)
I agree with RavenMuse. - Susan

NastyDaddy -> RE: Where did Bdsm Come from, Who started it? (7/6/2006 3:50:08 AM)
BDSM actually stands for Bi-Directional Seismic Misselle, aka Gravity... BDSM dominates everything on Master/Mistress/Dom/me Earth... It all started with the BIG BANG but the records before that are loaned out or have been misplaced...

IronBear -> RE: Where did Bdsm Come from, Who started it? (7/6/2006 6:17:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MstrTiger The terms sadism and masochism were invented by Dr Richard von Krafft-Ebing in his book Psycopathia Sexualis which was first published in 1886 so before then I am not really sure how people defined their sexual roles. I don’t think if Caligula or Nero were around today they would be classed as dominants, they would more than likely be in a mental asylum. It does not really work when people to impose modern concepts of sexual morality or modern defined sexual roles onto people who were unaware of them in their own time. Good God man have you absolutely no sence of humour? Are you not able to differenciate between a facicious post and an informative one? Pray do get a grip and for heavens sake get a life. I do fear old chap thay you re heading for an early burn out.. Learn to laugh and cease taking every post so jolly seriously.....

JohnWarren -> RE: Where did Bdsm Come from, Who started it? (7/6/2006 7:21:21 AM)
Now, in my lexicon, BDSM includes the concept of consent, mutual need and the satisfaction of those mutual complementary needs. This, it seems, tends to make it the province of people who have enough power over their own lives as to make playing with that power interesting. I don't know who invented decorative knot tying, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't a guy hanging by a rope over a crevass. The same is true for powerplay when a person has only enough power to make survival a crapshoot. When I was on a visit for Visiting Scholars to the Forbidden City in China, we were allowed to see the personal rooms of the Emperors and their families. In on of these room was what the tour operator called a "child's toy" but to my eyes it was pretty clearly a pussy/cock whip made of several strands of precious stones. Only a mile from where I was standing at the time when this toy was in use, I don't think the people of China would have been able to comprehend that someone could want to get whipped even by a jeweled whip. They simply lacked the personal power to play at this level. I suspect that all kinks of BDSM play has existed in a very limited subset of society for centuries, but this may be the first time when "ordinary people" have had the freedom to life our eyes from the ground of the ordinary and see the possibility of kink.

bondagemastertj -> RE: Where did Bdsm Come from, Who started it? (7/6/2006 7:57:48 AM)
I also read his father was Jewish and would beat on him, hence his hatred for them. Charles Manson's mother was whore and his father was a black junkie-hence, he tried to blame "Helter Skelter" as he termed on on the blacks. There are several examples throughout history. Im surpised nobody mentioned the Marquis De Sade and the Inquisition and things of this nature yet, but then again I havent read every post in this thread yet

Caretakr -> RE: Where did Bdsm Come from, Who started it? (7/6/2006 8:05:00 AM)
It came from life.

Lashra -> RE: Where did Bdsm Come from, Who started it? (7/6/2006 8:09:31 AM)
I would say since the beginning of humanity most likely. Perhaps when the first cavewoman bonked a caveman in the head and dragged him by the hair back to her lair, tied him up with some vines and whipped him with a tree branch. [:D] BDSM has since gotten more or less refined over the ages. ~Lashra Whipping asses since 1981

RigidChopper -> RE: Where did Bdsm Come from, Who started it? (7/6/2006 8:13:35 AM)
I dont think Hitler was dominant. He was a sadist though. Dominance and Sadism are not mutually inclusive. There are some historical references to his masochist tendencies before coming into power in the 1930's.

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