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RE: Sterilizing sounds - best pressure cookers? - 2/5/2014 8:54:14 AM

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I'd suggest approaching a tattoo studio and asking if they'd be willing to sterilize them in their autoclave, perhaps for a small fee.

That is indeed a great idea, thanks! I've got a couple near me, I'll check them out.

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RE: Sterilizing sounds - best pressure cookers? - 2/5/2014 9:38:00 AM

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I have various sets of sounds but because I'm a pro piercer I do own an autoclave. I have however, been in situations where an autoclave isn't to hand.

Two methods that work are to thoroughly wash the sounds in soapy water, rinse or better still use a dish washer and then pop into the steam tray of a pressure cooker and steam on full pressure for 15 minutes and then keep them in a sterile sleeve until used. You can buy the sterile autoclave sleeves online. The problem with most tattooists is, they won't have big enough sterile sleeves to autoclave your sounds.

Another method which I personally find better is to dry heat sterilize them. You can only really do this in a convector oven because the air has to circulate freely but most ovens are convector these days. Again, thoroughly wash the sounds beforehand. It needs to be pre-heated to 200C (400 F ) and the sounds must be placed dry, on a metal tray and cooked for 110 minutes.

I'm sure you already know this Miyani, sterile individually packed gloves and independently pre-packed sterile lube is something you should always use with sounds.

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RE: Sterilizing sounds - best pressure cookers? - 2/5/2014 9:52:43 AM

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Stef's comment is 100% correct. Flame does not sterilize equipment. What is does do is kill surface organisms but it does not sterilize. It will not kill some single cell organisms or protein chains. You need to learn there are more bugs than just bacterial and viruses. Prions are the real nastys.

He posted pictures of someone in a lab, I think that trumps your logic.

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RE: Sterilizing sounds - best pressure cookers? - 2/5/2014 11:45:20 AM

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Stef's comment is 100% correct. Flame does not sterilize equipment. What is does do is kill surface organisms but it does not sterilize. It will not kill some single cell organisms or protein chains. You need to learn there are more bugs than just bacterial and viruses. Prions are the real nastys.

He posted pictures of someone in a lab, I think that trumps your logic.

Yes, I know I feel woefully inadequate I did not post any pictures. I wondered if he read the links he actual posted? Here is except from one of his links on sterilizing by flame.

"(3) Sterilizing by Flaming
The flame from a gas burner effectively sterilizes small glass or metal objects, such as inoculating loops, but one must avoid "frying" the yeast by contact with objects heated in a flame. Dip glass spreaders in alcohol and then use the flame to ignite the alcohol. Place metal tools such as loops in the flame until they are red hot. Cool hot tools by touching them to the agar or inside of a sterile glass tube. However, since flames are dangerous this method can and should be avoided whenever possible. We have found that flaming is really only necessary to sterilize inoculating loops and small instruments. We have not been able to demonstrate any value in flaming the openings of tubes, bottles, or flasks in these experiments."

The lab procedure says outright flaming does not work on large objects. Hmmm that is in direct contradiction to his original post of flame kills all.

The sterilization techniques he posted are great for lab experiments in flasks, test tubes and petri dishes. That I will agree with. Sterilization of medical instruments inserted into the body is whole other ball game. Autoclaving is the only recommend procedure to sterilize medical instruments. Anyone who has attended medical school knows this.

Getting back to the OP's original question of using pressure cooker to sterilize. The question I have is: are you using the same sounds on different people? If so, Autoclave. If using the sounds on only the same person I would be okay using a pressure cooker (with the proper rating) with longer times for sterilizing versus an Autoclave.

I would also recommend to see if there are any BDSM group in your area? And do they have Demo's or classes? Sterilization is a common subject that comes up and many classes are generally offered. If this is an area you really want to play in, I have to encourage you to know all the safety issues associated with that play.

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RE: Sterilizing sounds - best pressure cookers? - 2/5/2014 1:07:40 PM

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".....use a dish washer and then pop into the steam tray of a pressure cooker...."

I will not be attending any dinner parties at your house Maria.

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RE: Sterilizing sounds - best pressure cookers? - 2/5/2014 2:39:41 PM

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When in doubt, check the references...
WHO (World Health Organization) specifications for medical sterilization:
http://apps.who.int/iris/handle/10665/41538

I think the key spec I pulled out of there was steam sterilization at 250F for 15 minutes.... typical for autoclave or dry heat (an oven) of 340F for 20 minutes. (dry heat doesn't conduct to the instruments as fast as wet heat I would think)

WHO and US CDC have a lot of good technical information on their websites.

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RE: Sterilizing sounds - best pressure cookers? - 2/5/2014 3:02:09 PM

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".....use a dish washer and then pop into the steam tray of a pressure cooker...."

I will not be attending any dinner parties at your house Maria.

'Sounds' like my oven ideas put you off!!

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RE: Sterilizing sounds - best pressure cookers? - 2/5/2014 5:57:26 PM

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RE: Sterilizing sounds - best pressure cookers? - 2/5/2014 11:40:47 PM

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Well I've just lost any chance of becoming tumescent any time soon.

Someone pass the mind bleach.

Oh toughen up!

Trust me - they're not that bad haha.

That being said the first 20 times you use anything like that hurt like a b*********************.

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RE: Sterilizing sounds - best pressure cookers? - 2/6/2014 1:31:11 AM

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Sounds hurt???

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RE: Sterilizing sounds - best pressure cookers? - 2/6/2014 2:13:47 AM

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A man's urethra is extremely sensitive, especially the first times it's done.

My first 10-20 times were extremely painful. The most intense pain I can ever remember, which is probably why I continued trying.

The most painful and terrifying element of that is causing any tears or scratches inside. If you do, you can bet that urinating will be even more painful. It makes urinating for the first time after a somewhat brutal sounding extremely terrifying. You have no idea if it will feel like your penis is about to be cut open with a knife from the inside.

It makes you scared to pee knowing it could be painful, and causes an extreme case of shy bladder.

The pain isn't really an issue after a bit of experience. But those first times were... intense. At least for me.

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RE: Sterilizing sounds - best pressure cookers? - 2/6/2014 3:33:15 AM

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Sounds hurt???

My God! Yes! Haven't you ever heard Roseanne Barr sing?

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RE: Sterilizing sounds - best pressure cookers? - 2/6/2014 7:34:04 AM

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I have used sounds many, many times on men and a few times on women. I have never yet had a report back that it hurt. I use e-stim with sounds and that doesn't hurt either. In fact my husband who loves being 'sounded' says it feels like he's multi orgasming.

A sound obviously has to fit the size of the urethra and only once that urethra has become accustomed to an alien object should it be stretched but stretching the urethra is a very slow process. So why did it hurt ? If the sounds is pushed/forced into the urethra its going to hurt and that's why getting the size right is crucially important. It is of course painful if the man has previously had a lot of UTI's because scar tissue will of formed along the urethral walls. Touch wood I've not yet come across a man who has urethral scar tissue and if I did, I wouldn't be continuing with a sound down his dick.

I've had men with fear and apprehension showing in their eyes but never someone showing pain. In fact they are normally very relieved when it goes in as smoothly and painlessly as it does. Allowing the sound to snake its own way in is only possible if enough lube has been added and the sound isn't too big. The one thing that really does it for me when sounding a man is the way the urethra drinks in the sound and sucks it in deeply like a baby bird taking in nourishment. When I can feel this hard metal object internally passing along the underside of the cock shaft it really turns me on.

As far as peeing after, men often get urinary retention for a few hours but that should quickly pass unless you have some pre-existing problem.

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RE: Sterilizing sounds - best pressure cookers? - 2/6/2014 7:41:35 AM

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Well I've just lost any chance of becoming tumescent any time soon.

Someone pass the mind bleach.

Oh toughen up! Trust me - they're not that bad haha.

That being said the first 20 times you use anything like that hurt like a b*********************.

My guess is someone used a sound that was too big.
I know just a little about sounding aside from having a medical procedure done on me some 25+ years ago to stretch my urethra.
And then it did hurt.
But if one isn't being stretched and sounds aren't supposed to be forced, it shouldn't be excrutiating.
If it was forced it was being done wrong.

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RE: Sterilizing sounds - best pressure cookers? - 2/6/2014 7:52:59 AM

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When I can feel this hard metal object internally passing along the underside of the cock shaft it really turns me on.

You're making it REALLY hard not to insist on opening my V-Day present early! This is one of my favorite parts as well, it's just... beautiful, in a weird way.

This'll be the boy's first time, but I'm also looking forward to when he gets relaxed and happy with it, and it can turn into fun joking as well. The bottom I trained on had a great sense of humor - he'd let the sound fall most of the way in, then essentially do a kegel to propel it back out of him. he could shoot the thing pretty far! (Yes, of course once the sound hit anything non-sterile we moved to a different one.)

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RE: Sterilizing sounds - best pressure cookers? - 2/6/2014 8:03:31 AM

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When I can feel this hard metal object internally passing along the underside of the cock shaft it really turns me on.

You're making it REALLY hard not to insist on opening my V-Day present early! This is one of my favorite parts as well, it's just... beautiful, in a weird way.

This'll be the boy's first time, but I'm also looking forward to when he gets relaxed and happy with it, and it can turn into fun joking as well. The bottom I trained on had a great sense of humor - he'd let the sound fall most of the way in, then essentially do a kegel to propel it back out of him. he could shoot the thing pretty far! (Yes, of course once the sound hit anything non-sterile we moved to a different one.)

Sounds like you and the bottom you did sounds with had a lot of fun and yes, it is weird what we get out of it. I think its something to do with being the last intimate hole to be penetrated. Its like taking a mans virginity.

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RE: Sterilizing sounds - best pressure cookers? - 2/6/2014 8:36:06 AM

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Maybe the sound(s) used on pg4g were jagged somehow? Dropped one too many times on a brick floor or something. Leaving open scars in the urethra sounds dangerous, frankly. Lots of things could go wrong -- including kidney stones if you keep yourself from peeing because of pain.

I've never heard anyone talk about sounds being painful before. It's always been "invasive" and "a pleasurable vibration that isn't like anything else I've ever felt." Etc.

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RE: Sterilizing sounds - best pressure cookers? - 2/6/2014 10:07:15 PM

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Sounds sound painful.

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RE: Sterilizing sounds - best pressure cookers? - 2/7/2014 1:51:21 AM

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Oh, yeah, thought of something and popped toss it out.

If you are getting a pressure cooker to use for sterilization, you might want to make sure you buy the stainless steel model instead of the aluminum model.

Not easy to find pressure cookers in these days of microwave ovens.

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RE: Sterilizing sounds - best pressure cookers? - 2/7/2014 5:51:49 PM

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Maybe the sound(s) used on pg4g were jagged somehow? Dropped one too many times on a brick floor or something. Leaving open scars in the urethra sounds dangerous, frankly. Lots of things could go wrong -- including kidney stones if you keep yourself from peeing because of pain.

I've never heard anyone talk about sounds being painful before. It's always been "invasive" and "a pleasurable vibration that isn't like anything else I've ever felt." Etc.

Jagged? No. Probably oversized for me, but I was a growing teenager and I was into the pain. And I was somewhat brutal to myself so yeah. It can be torturous. Anything even slightly sharp (say a slight sharp ridge) and it's torture.

But smooth, soft use of sounds that are appropriately sized will probably not cause pain, and can be mighty enjoyable. You're right: invasive and the weirdest feeling of being masturbated from the inside out. Just be careful with a newbie who's never used them cos it's worse than being kicked hard in the balls. Play extremely carefully.

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