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RE: Evolution/Creation debate - 2/24/2014 10:03:06 AM   
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Maybe I missed it. But in all of this patting yourself on the back, I didn't see how the living things that exist all around us ended up with differing numbers of chromosomes, perhaps you could elucidate.
;-)



is this the only concern about evolution you have or are there any others?
anyway taking as example chimpanzees they have 24 chromosome couples, humans have 23 but looking the 2nd chromosome you can see it shows proof to be the fusion of two different chromosomes, this is a fact, you can do many hypothesys about how this fusion happended and test them, but it is a fact that humans had in the past 24 couples. Every hypothesys has to connect those two spots or it's not valid, But we know as a fact chromosomes can change their number in some way.

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RE: Evolution/Creation debate - 2/24/2014 10:11:26 AM   
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And again with this; What is your IQ?

160, what's yours.


You got some kind of a IQ fetish?
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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles
I'm trying to figure out what's going on. There seem to be some strange issues getting in the way of our discourse. You're having significant trouble remembering basic details about my position. Your displaying a baffling inability to remember that I NOT YOU get to define my position despite my reminding you in multiple threads and a strange inability to make simple deductions.

The latest example is that you managed to loose most of the actual information I gave you regarding my position in the flat earth discussion. Then made an addition to my position in the form of dates which according to your own sources are not universally used and which I don't adhere to. Got hung up on Columbus for no reason that I can fathom and then despite realizing that my position makes no sense with the additions you've made, you still haven't managed to figure out that the problem is that you did something really stupid.

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RE: Evolution/Creation debate - 2/24/2014 10:14:27 AM   
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You mean the world isn't flat?

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RE: Evolution/Creation debate - 2/24/2014 10:32:43 AM   
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You mean the world isn't flat?


Nope, it is basically not exactly round either. You see, due to the earth's rotation on its axis, the centripetal force causes the earth to bulge at the equator.

In truth, the whole "the earth is flat" idea had been dispelled by the Greeks, which is why Columbus thought he could sail west to get to India.

So basically, none of the explorers ever tried to prove the earth was round, they always knew it was.

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RE: Evolution/Creation debate - 2/24/2014 10:32:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: GotSteel
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I'm trying to figure out what's going on.
...
you still haven't managed to figure out that the problem is that you did something really stupid.

What is going on in that you are in a discussion with GotSteel.

I know GS. I do not know what makes your mind tick, though - and I probably never will... My guess is that you are a sub?

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RE: Evolution/Creation debate - 2/24/2014 12:42:09 PM   
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With knowldge comes power. Arguing with someone who has no knowldge of geometry, calculus, history, comon sense and reasoning skills is pointless. This argument will continue forever as long as you engage with someone who leads their life with blind faith. The Noah's ark tale is much older than the bible and is found in religious scripture all over the world. There are plenty of sound arguments that show that there is no way the entire earth flooded. But if you are a man (or woman) who believes blindly, then there is no reason to argue. You can believe whatever you want to. You just look unintelligent to educated persons.
First, you appear to have no knowledge of what faith is, "Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities though not beheld" (Hebrews 11:1) and is pretty much the antithesis of "blind faith".

Also the fact that; "Noah's ark tale is found in religious scripture all over the world" is pointed to by some as proof of a worldwide flood, otherwise why would it be found, "all over the world" and in looking at the various descriptions in all that "religious scripture" it is interesting to note that the Bible is the only source that seems to have the complete story. Just saying.....

Nonsense. The Noah myth is contradictory, how many of each animal did he bring aboard?, and derived from earlier Babylonian stories. See Gilgamesh.

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RE: Evolution/Creation debate - 2/24/2014 12:45:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles


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Maybe I missed it. But in all of this patting yourself on the back, I didn't see how the living things that exist all around us ended up with differing numbers of chromosomes, perhaps you could elucidate.

Chromosomes get split and spliced during copying. For instance human chromosome 2 is very obviously the chimp chromosomes 2a and 2b fused together.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromosome_2_(human)
Yeah I've heard that. Now tell me after this fusing, were were humans and chimps still able to have viable children together?
;-)


The fusion event occurred in animals that were well on the way to be being human so they were not able to mate with chimps before the fusion. But there is no reason to believe that the fusion, itself, was a barrier to reproduction. All the genes were still present and would still match up. There are probably people walking around with split and or fused chromosomes and they don't know it.

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RE: Evolution/Creation debate - 2/24/2014 12:50:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

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ORIGINAL: chatterbox24

You mean the world isn't flat?


Nope, it is basically not exactly round either. You see, due to the earth's rotation on its axis, the centripetal force causes the earth to bulge at the equator.

In truth, the whole "the earth is flat" idea had been dispelled by the Greeks, which is why Columbus thought he could sail west to get to India.

So basically, none of the explorers ever tried to prove the earth was round, they always knew it was.

Columbus' big mistake was he thought it was much smaller than it really is. He thought the voyage to India would be much shorter. He wasn't even halfway when he got to the Caribbean and he was already very short on all supplies on his ships. He would never have made it to India even if a direct sea route had existed.

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RE: Evolution/Creation debate - 2/24/2014 12:52:14 PM   
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You do know that the evolution/creation debate was settled on Futurama, right?

An all powerful creator plants the initial seed on in the case of futurama, nano bot and it goes from there.

There, the question has been answered and settled.

Now for the real question:

which came first, the chicken or the egg or the chicken nugget of dubious ingredients?

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RE: Evolution/Creation debate - 2/24/2014 12:53:08 PM   
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Up until now, you never said early dark ages, you just said dark ages, so now it seems you are just, shall we say stretching the truth, to cover up the fact that you can't admit you made a mistake.


Post 531 on page 27 reads as follows, look it up:


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ORIGINAL: GotSteel
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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles
Obviously circle of the Earth means the earth is flat


That is how Bible scholars determined that the earth was flat during the early dark ages arguing against the scientific, evidence based theory that the earth was spherical.


I apologize, I was incorrect in saying you never said that, thank you for pointing it out.

As for your point, some evidence would be nice.
;-)

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RE: Evolution/Creation debate - 2/24/2014 1:35:28 PM   
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So thats how the crazy lot of us got started, a big whoops
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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

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ORIGINAL: chatterbox24

You mean the world isn't flat?


Nope, it is basically not exactly round either. You see, due to the earth's rotation on its axis, the centripetal force causes the earth to bulge at the equator.

In truth, the whole "the earth is flat" idea had been dispelled by the Greeks, which is why Columbus thought he could sail west to get to India.

So basically, none of the explorers ever tried to prove the earth was round, they always knew it was.

Columbus' big mistake was he thought it was much smaller than it really is. He thought the voyage to India would be much shorter. He wasn't even halfway when he got to the Caribbean and he was already very short on all supplies on his ships. He would never have made it to India even if a direct sea route had existed.



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RE: Evolution/Creation debate - 2/24/2014 7:23:29 PM   
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I made a typo, my previous post should have read as follows.

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles
And again with this; What is your IQ?

160, what's yours.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles
You got some kind of a IQ fetish?
;-)


I'm trying to figure out what's going on. There seem to be some strange issues getting in the way of our discourse. You're having significant trouble remembering basic details about my position. Your displaying a baffling inability to remember that I NOT YOU get to define my position despite my reminding you in multiple threads and a strange inability to make simple deductions.

The latest example is that you managed to loose most of the actual information I gave you regarding my position in the flat earth discussion. Then made an addition to my position in the form of dates which according to your own sources are not universally used and which I don't adhere to. Got hung up on Columbus for no reason that I can fathom and then despite realizing that my position makes no sense with the additions you've made, you still haven't managed to figure out that the problem is that you did something really stupid.



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RE: Evolution/Creation debate - 2/24/2014 7:31:03 PM   
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As for your point, some evidence would be nice.
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Do you remember post 545 where I quoted from your source?

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RE: Evolution/Creation debate - 2/24/2014 7:46:48 PM   
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I know GS. I do not know what makes your mind tick, though - and I probably never will...

As a low IQ super genius do you have that problem with most people?

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RE: Evolution/Creation debate - 2/25/2014 12:20:16 AM   
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The 'local' flood in question may well have been the busting of the Bosporus Straight , a late pre-recorded history event, occurring when the general Ice Age sheet melt raised the Mediterranean Sea. The plunge canyon below the falls shows on depth measurements today. Quite a number of villages and farms have been found below the current water line and above the pre-flood coast all around the Black Sea.

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RE: Evolution/Creation debate - 2/25/2014 12:24:35 AM   
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Maybe I missed it. But in all of this patting yourself on the back, I didn't see how the living things that exist all around us ended up with differing numbers of chromosomes, perhaps you could elucidate.


Because biology isn't intelligently designed and quality controlled it's messy. This is from an article on how some humans have ended up with a different number of chromosomes:

quote:

Original: http://www.genome.gov/11508982
Numerical Abnormalities:

When an individual is missing either a chromosome from a pair (monosomy) or has more than two chromosomes of a pair (trisomy). An example of a condition caused by numerical abnormalities is Down Syndrome, also known as Trisomy 21 (an individual with Down Syndrome has three copies of chromosome 21, rather than two). Turner Syndrome is an example of monosomy, where the individual - in this case a female - is born with only one sex chromosome, an X.


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RE: Evolution/Creation debate - 2/25/2014 2:12:34 AM   
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Dose god make mistrakes?   apparently.

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RE: Evolution/Creation debate - 2/25/2014 6:19:39 AM   
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First, I look around and see every living thing has a different number of chromosomes and don't seem capable of mating with those with a differing number of chromosomes, even those with the same number of chromosomes don't seem capable of mating. Like a Red Panda and a Starfish both have 36 and mating would seem impossible. So my first question is; how does Evolution account for this great variety in the number of chromosomes and their inability mate outside their "species"?


First of all "every living thing" does not have "a different number of chromosomes" you point that out yourself farther on in the sentence. Second it's not terribly uncommon for animals to be able to breed outside their species, there are pages talking about that towards the beginning of the thread. Third a horse has 64 chromosomes and a donkey has 62 yet they're capable of mating. Fourth while the Red Panda and a Starfish have the same number of chromosomes the information contained therein is clearly going to be too different to be compatible.

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RE: Evolution/Creation debate - 2/25/2014 6:24:40 AM   
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a horse and a donkey make a mule who is sterile and creation stops there. I just thought Id throw that in to act like IM smart.

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RE: Evolution/Creation debate - 2/25/2014 6:36:21 AM   
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a horse and a donkey make a mule who is sterile and creation stops there. I just thought Id throw that in to act like IM smart.



Unfortunately, what you typed would be more a damnation of evolution than creation but, thanks for playing.





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