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Hillwilliam -> RE: R.I.P. Republican credibility: (2/16/2014 7:53:18 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
The RW media targets below the 50th percentile of the US population based on intelligence. Most of those folks don't know what the State Dept is but they can be counted upon to start screaming when their Masters in the media tell them to.
We've heard a lot of that.


Yep, and the State Dept. probably based their report just on Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, and FOX News channel, right? Oh, hell, let's include Hannity, Mark Levin, and whatever other conservative (real or pretend) pundits you can think of. All of those impacted the US State Dept.'s report. Must be that RW-er John Kerry just being a ne'er-do-well.


Uh no. The state department based their numbers on the actual weighed and taxed tonnage that goes onto ships, trucks, trains and into pipelines to go to other countries.

Even you should know that.




DesideriScuri -> RE: R.I.P. Republican credibility: (2/16/2014 10:23:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
The RW media targets below the 50th percentile of the US population based on intelligence. Most of those folks don't know what the State Dept is but they can be counted upon to start screaming when their Masters in the media tell them to.
We've heard a lot of that.

Yep, and the State Dept. probably based their report just on Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, and FOX News channel, right? Oh, hell, let's include Hannity, Mark Levin, and whatever other conservative (real or pretend) pundits you can think of. All of those impacted the US State Dept.'s report. Must be that RW-er John Kerry just being a ne'er-do-well.

Uh no. The state department based their numbers on the actual weighed and taxed tonnage that goes onto ships, trucks, trains and into pipelines to go to other countries.
Even you should know that.


Nice slight there, Hill.

Yet, the State Dept. came out in favor of building the pipeline. How did that happen?




Hillwilliam -> RE: R.I.P. Republican credibility: (2/16/2014 10:31:10 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
The RW media targets below the 50th percentile of the US population based on intelligence. Most of those folks don't know what the State Dept is but they can be counted upon to start screaming when their Masters in the media tell them to.
We've heard a lot of that.

Yep, and the State Dept. probably based their report just on Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, and FOX News channel, right? Oh, hell, let's include Hannity, Mark Levin, and whatever other conservative (real or pretend) pundits you can think of. All of those impacted the US State Dept.'s report. Must be that RW-er John Kerry just being a ne'er-do-well.

Uh no. The state department based their numbers on the actual weighed and taxed tonnage that goes onto ships, trucks, trains and into pipelines to go to other countries.
Even you should know that.


Nice slight there, Hill.

Yet, the State Dept. came out in favor of building the pipeline. How did that happen?


My comment had nothing to do with what they were in favor of or not.

My comment was about the source of my data which you seemed to confuse with some entertainers/pablum feeders in the media.

Reading comprehension 101 would do you a world of good. You're a hell of a lot more intelligent than you have been acting on this thread.

Of course the state dept would be in favor of building the pipeline. Building the pipeline will enable us to EXPORT more refined petroleum products.




Owner59 -> RE: R.I.P. Republican credibility: (2/16/2014 11:24:58 AM)

Fucks-news said in 85 different segments that the president issued a 'stand down' order......in Benghazi.

The the Senate report makes it clear that never happened.....IOW.....reality.

No retraction or correction from these PsOS at fox-news. Because this isn`t news to them....It`s a propaganda battle.

At least ABC-news has enough integrity and balls to admit when they fucked up ,like w/ 60 minutes and w/ Dan Rather.

There isn`t even the slightest interest in credibility or what`s true or what really happened.....

Heard a real douche-bag the other week say that the NY Time`s slandered Christie b/c they corrected their web-site from "there`s evidence Christie knew" to its been alleged there`s evidence Christie knew.

That`s like a pimple compared to the cancer fox-news brings us.




DesideriScuri -> RE: R.I.P. Republican credibility: (2/16/2014 11:34:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
The RW media targets below the 50th percentile of the US population based on intelligence. Most of those folks don't know what the State Dept is but they can be counted upon to start screaming when their Masters in the media tell them to.
We've heard a lot of that.

Yep, and the State Dept. probably based their report just on Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, and FOX News channel, right? Oh, hell, let's include Hannity, Mark Levin, and whatever other conservative (real or pretend) pundits you can think of. All of those impacted the US State Dept.'s report. Must be that RW-er John Kerry just being a ne'er-do-well.

Uh no. The state department based their numbers on the actual weighed and taxed tonnage that goes onto ships, trucks, trains and into pipelines to go to other countries.
Even you should know that.

Nice slight there, Hill.
Yet, the State Dept. came out in favor of building the pipeline. How did that happen?

My comment had nothing to do with what they were in favor of or not.
My comment was about the source of my data which you seemed to confuse with some entertainers/pablum feeders in the media.
Reading comprehension 101 would do you a world of good. You're a hell of a lot more intelligent than you have been acting on this thread.
Of course the state dept would be in favor of building the pipeline. Building the pipeline will enable us to EXPORT more refined petroleum products.


Perhaps you should take your own advice, Hill.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
You're missing (possibly deliberately) the entire argument.
Those pushing for why we need the Keystone XL now are outright lying.

Right. Like the State Department, in their Market Analysis. Goddamn RW-ers!!!
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Who says I don't support American refineries? What I don't support is the fact that they're lying to the public about why they need this.
According to some of those in the RW media, we don't have enough refineries as it is to support domestic need, much less exporting a few tens of millions of barrels. (another lie?)

The RW media probably didn't impact the State Department's report. It's pretty thorough.
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I have researched and found nothing about why the XL couldn't go alongside the existing line.
A lot of my RW friends that I ask about it will even go so far as to deny that a Keystone pipeline even exists and I'm making it up. Well, they do until I show them several years worth of production data.[8D]

Oh. well, Hell's Bells! If you haven't found anything, then, obviously no reasons exist. [8|]
I didn't read the section about siting options in the State Dept. report. You seem to care a lot more about that aspect than I do. It may show you the reasoning behind not siting it there. It also might not have anything about that option.

FR to all the above.
The RW media targets below the 50th percentile of the US population based on intelligence. Most of those folks don't know what the State Dept is but they can be counted upon to start screaming when their Masters in the media tell them to.
We've heard a lot of that.


You: "Those pushing for why we need the Keystone XL now are outright lying."

Like the US State Department? They are the ones that are lying?

You: "According to some of those in the RW media, we don't have enough refineries as it is to support domestic need, much less exporting a few tens of millions of barrels. (another lie?)"

And, the US State Department...

Did you read the Market Analysis, Hill? Did you read why the State Department is in favor of the Keystone XL?

Or, are you now hedging and trying to squirm away from blaming the RW for things that the RW had nothing to do with?




Hillwilliam -> RE: R.I.P. Republican credibility: (2/16/2014 11:40:31 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

You: "Those pushing for why we need the Keystone XL now are outright lying."

Like the US State Department? They are the ones that are lying?

You: "According to some of those in the RW media, we don't have enough refineries as it is to support domestic need, much less exporting a few tens of millions of barrels. (another lie?)"

And, the US State Department...

Did you read the Market Analysis, Hill? Did you read why the State Department is in favor of the Keystone XL?

Or, are you now hedging and trying to squirm away from blaming the RW for things that the RW had nothing to do with?

I said The RW media is telling us that this is necessary for domestic use. That is a lie.
I said the RW media complains that we don't have enough refining capacity for domestic use because of "That damned EPA" How can that be if our biggest export is refined petroleum? (as you acknowledged). Pointing out another lie that the feebleminded suck up like mother's milk.

Why does the pipeline have to go to a port city instead of a cheaper route to refineries in OK?
Answer "Because it's for EXPORT".

The Keystone XL isn't for the American people, it's for Exxon/Mobile.




DesideriScuri -> RE: R.I.P. Republican credibility: (2/16/2014 11:49:06 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
You: "Those pushing for why we need the Keystone XL now are outright lying."
Like the US State Department? They are the ones that are lying?
You: "According to some of those in the RW media, we don't have enough refineries as it is to support domestic need, much less exporting a few tens of millions of barrels. (another lie?)"
And, the US State Department...
Did you read the Market Analysis, Hill? Did you read why the State Department is in favor of the Keystone XL?
Or, are you now hedging and trying to squirm away from blaming the RW for things that the RW had nothing to do with?

I said The RW media is telling us that this is necessary for domestic use. That is a lie.
I said the RW media complains that we don't have enough refining capacity for domestic use because of "That damned EPA" How can that be if our biggest export is refined petroleum? (as you acknowledged). Pointing out another lie that the feebleminded suck up like mother's milk.
Why does the pipeline have to go to a port city instead of a cheaper route to refineries in OK?
Answer "Because it's for EXPORT".
The Keystone XL isn't for the American people, it's for Exxon/Mobile.


Exxon/Mobil doesn't employ Americans at American refineries?

Everything we refine from KXL will be exported?

I'm very glad you have acknowledged you didn't read the Market Analysis, Hill. You would have a better understanding of why it's a good idea to get that sludge to the Gulf area if you had, though.

Is exporting a bad thing, Hill?

Does supply and demand no longer work if we increase the amount of refined petroleum products on the global market?

If KXL isn't built, what happens to that sludge? Does it not get pulled out of the ground? Or, does it go somewhere else, for non-Americans to refine and profit from?




Lucylastic -> RE: R.I.P. Republican credibility: (2/16/2014 1:06:33 PM)

As its being pulled out of canadian grounds.....omg they are NON americans....and its NON american ground.
What is your point.




DesideriScuri -> RE: R.I.P. Republican credibility: (2/16/2014 1:26:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
As its being pulled out of canadian grounds.....omg they are NON americans....and its NON american ground.
What is your point.


My point is the top of my head. Everyone should be able to see it clearly. [:D]

It's getting pulled out of the ground, regardless of the building of the KXL or not.

Personally, I think it's better for that stuff to get refined by Americans rather than another country. It will do more for our economy that way. More Americans working, getting paid (I'm thinking refining jobs tend to include decent pay), and more of that money working it's way through the US economy.

I'm not really surprised you missed it, though.




Lucylastic -> RE: R.I.P. Republican credibility: (2/16/2014 1:57:38 PM)

of course you do...do youhave any clue of the antipathy against the xl pipeline by people living in or near the sands?
of course not you are an americancapitalist.
little things like that dont matter




DesideriScuri -> RE: R.I.P. Republican credibility: (2/16/2014 2:11:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
of course you do...do youhave any clue of the antipathy against the xl pipeline by people living in or near the sands?
of course not you are an americancapitalist.
little things like that dont matter


Why would they matter? That's not for the US Government to be concerned with. That's what your government should be concerned with.

Should the Canadian government concern itself with the increase in jobs in Gulf area refineries? Of course not.

If the KXL isn't built, will the tar sands still be mined? Of course it will. Their antipathy has nothing to do with the building of the KXL. That stuff is going to be extracted and sent somewhere. IMO, it might as well be to the Gulf area refineries.





Lucylastic -> RE: R.I.P. Republican credibility: (2/16/2014 2:27:06 PM)

At the risk of repeating myself ad nauseam
of course it is YOUR opinion, you are an american capitalist who will ignore everything but the greedy money side of it.
fuck anything else...
its AMERICANs who need it
BOLLOCKS





DesideriScuri -> RE: R.I.P. Republican credibility: (2/16/2014 3:31:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
At the risk of repeating myself ad nauseam
of course it is YOUR opinion, you are an american capitalist who will ignore everything but the greedy money side of it.
fuck anything else...
its AMERICANs who need it
BOLLOCKS


We are talking about the US State Department's report on the KXL pipeline that might be built in America, aren't we? So, yes, it is my opinion

Why bring up the opinions of Canadians near the tar sands when they have fuckall to do with whether the KXL should/is to be built?




Lucylastic -> RE: R.I.P. Republican credibility: (2/16/2014 3:34:20 PM)

and why dont they??
you mean the building of it and the transfer is not of interest to canadians? it wont touch canadian lands, peoples homes, native lands?
really????
how fucking ignorant





cloudboy -> RE: R.I.P. Republican credibility: (2/16/2014 3:45:50 PM)


It is a Soviet style organization through and through. The conservative mission trumps all facts and competing views.




DesideriScuri -> RE: R.I.P. Republican credibility: (2/17/2014 5:31:39 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
and why dont they??
you mean the building of it and the transfer is not of interest to canadians? it wont touch canadian lands, peoples homes, native lands?
really????
how fucking ignorant


You're the one being obtuse, Lucy. There is going to be a pipeline built in Canada, whether the KXL is built in the US or not. That's why it's up to the Canadian Government to take into account what the Canadians think. How it effects Canadians is not up to the US Government, just as it's not up to the Canadian Government to plan around concerns within the borders of the US.

Unless I'm wrong here, won't the Canadian Government have to sign off on the building of a pipeline (regardless of whether it's going to the US or to a Canadian port for export)?




Hillwilliam -> RE: R.I.P. Republican credibility: (2/17/2014 5:50:34 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

Exxon/Mobil doesn't employ Americans at American refineries?

Everything we refine from KXL will be exported?

I'm very glad you have acknowledged you didn't read the Market Analysis, Hill. You would have a better understanding of why it's a good idea to get that sludge to the Gulf area if you had, though.

Is exporting a bad thing, Hill?

Does supply and demand no longer work if we increase the amount of refined petroleum products on the global market?

If KXL isn't built, what happens to that sludge? Does it not get pulled out of the ground? Or, does it go somewhere else, for non-Americans to refine and profit from?


1. Where did I acknowledge that I didn't read the analysis?

2. I have acknowledged that exporting is not a bad thing.

3. The increases in petroleum prices about 6 years ago (some places saw gas selling for over $5/gallon) in spite of higher supplies and lower demand should put to rest the supply and demand fallacy where it regards petroleum.

My entire point of this entire thread is that LYING to the American public to get what you want is a bad thing. No more, no less.
I haven't even said that the pipeline shouldn't be built.
I've only questioned why it isn't being built along the existing ROW.


Again. Reading comprehension 101 would do you a world of good.

You're quite intelligent and should stop acting otherwise.




DesideriScuri -> RE: R.I.P. Republican credibility: (2/17/2014 8:17:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Exxon/Mobil doesn't employ Americans at American refineries?
Everything we refine from KXL will be exported?
I'm very glad you have acknowledged you didn't read the Market Analysis, Hill. You would have a better understanding of why it's a good idea to get that sludge to the Gulf area if you had, though.
Is exporting a bad thing, Hill?
Does supply and demand no longer work if we increase the amount of refined petroleum products on the global market?
If KXL isn't built, what happens to that sludge? Does it not get pulled out of the ground? Or, does it go somewhere else, for non-Americans to refine and profit from?

1. Where did I acknowledge that I didn't read the analysis?
2. I have acknowledged that exporting is not a bad thing.
3. The increases in petroleum prices about 6 years ago (some places saw gas selling for over $5/gallon) in spite of higher supplies and lower demand should put to rest the supply and demand fallacy where it regards petroleum.
My entire point of this entire thread is that LYING to the American public to get what you want is a bad thing. No more, no less.
I haven't even said that the pipeline shouldn't be built.
I've only questioned why it isn't being built along the existing ROW.
Again. Reading comprehension 101 would do you a world of good.
You're quite intelligent and should stop acting otherwise.


You still need to work on following your own advice, Hill.

1. Your statements and questions demonstrate that you haven't read the Market Analysis.
2. Why gripe about the KXL being built only for exports (which isn't true)?
3. Why did prices go up, then?




Hillwilliam -> RE: R.I.P. Republican credibility: (2/17/2014 9:08:03 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

You still need to work on following your own advice, Hill.

1. Your statements and questions demonstrate that you haven't read the Market Analysis.
2. Why gripe about the KXL being built only for exports (which isn't true)?
3. Why did prices go up, then?


My statements have only been about those who lie to try to get what they want. They have nothing to do with the market analysis.
I wasn't griping about the KXL being for exports, I was griping about the lying by those trying to justify it (see a common thread here?)
Prices went up because of insider trading and speculation, not because of supply and demand as has been shown numerous times.
If supplies are higher, demand is lower and prices are going up, manipulation is the most likely suspect neh?




Moonhead -> RE: R.I.P. Republican credibility: (2/17/2014 9:41:56 AM)

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