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DesideriScuri -> RE: R.I.P. Republican credibility: (2/17/2014 10:20:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri You still need to work on following your own advice, Hill. 1. Your statements and questions demonstrate that you haven't read the Market Analysis. 2. Why gripe about the KXL being built only for exports (which isn't true)? 3. Why did prices go up, then? My statements have only been about those who lie to try to get what they want. They have nothing to do with the market analysis. I wasn't griping about the KXL being for exports, I was griping about the lying by those trying to justify it (see a common thread here?) Prices went up because of insider trading and speculation, not because of supply and demand as has been shown numerous times. If supplies are higher, demand is lower and prices are going up, manipulation is the most likely suspect neh? The State Dept. report justifies it being built. Did the State Dept. lie, too? How does insider trading and speculation not factor into supply/demand curves? They are market distortion, no?

mnottertail -> RE: R.I.P. Republican credibility: (2/17/2014 10:25:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri How does insider trading and speculation not factor into supply/demand curves? They are market distortion, no? And these of ourse show us unequivacolly that markets are not efficient and freemarket-freetrading international communism needs draconian law to proscribe this robbery and draconian enforcement to purge these national wastrels of the nation and the economy. Banks, record profits last year, why? Not from what they should do, but from stock market speculation, part of the W legacy under Paulson and too big to fail.

Hillwilliam -> RE: R.I.P. Republican credibility: (2/17/2014 10:43:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri You still need to work on following your own advice, Hill. 1. Your statements and questions demonstrate that you haven't read the Market Analysis. 2. Why gripe about the KXL being built only for exports (which isn't true)? 3. Why did prices go up, then? My statements have only been about those who lie to try to get what they want. They have nothing to do with the market analysis. I wasn't griping about the KXL being for exports, I was griping about the lying by those trying to justify it (see a common thread here?) Prices went up because of insider trading and speculation, not because of supply and demand as has been shown numerous times. If supplies are higher, demand is lower and prices are going up, manipulation is the most likely suspect neh? The State Dept. report justifies it being built. Did the State Dept. lie, too? How does insider trading and speculation not factor into supply/demand curves? They are market distortion, no? The state department report justifies it. (A lot of the hundred or so pages waffle on that) but I saw no lies in the report. I simply saw data and interpretations. As for insider trading and speculation, they are just about the opposite of pure supply/demand curves. Regardless of the supply and demand for a given commodity, insider trading and speculation can drive the price in any direction they wish. Applied Econ 101. That's why insider trading is supposedly illegal.

DesideriScuri -> RE: R.I.P. Republican credibility: (2/17/2014 4:29:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam The state department report justifies it. (A lot of the hundred or so pages waffle on that) but I saw no lies in the report. I simply saw data and interpretations. As for insider trading and speculation, they are just about the opposite of pure supply/demand curves. Regardless of the supply and demand for a given commodity, insider trading and speculation can drive the price in any direction they wish. Applied Econ 101. That's why insider trading is supposedly illegal. The State Dept. recommended it being built. Supply/Demand impact on prices still applies. The impact of insider trading, speculation, government intervention, theft, etc. still apply, too.

LookieNoNookie -> RE: R.I.P. Republican credibility: (2/17/2014 5:28:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic and why dont they?? you mean the building of it and the transfer is not of interest to canadians? it wont touch canadian lands, peoples homes, native lands? really???? how fucking ignorant It is of significant interest to Canadians that the American pipeline is built. It does not however, change one grain of sand nor one ounce of oil that will be mined in Canada. It can come through the United States and the U.S. can make money on it,or it can go to China through British Columbia. That's how simple it gets.

Hillwilliam -> RE: R.I.P. Republican credibility: (2/17/2014 7:38:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam The state department report justifies it. (A lot of the hundred or so pages waffle on that) but I saw no lies in the report. I simply saw data and interpretations. As for insider trading and speculation, they are just about the opposite of pure supply/demand curves. Regardless of the supply and demand for a given commodity, insider trading and speculation can drive the price in any direction they wish. Applied Econ 101. That's why insider trading is supposedly illegal. The State Dept. recommended it being built. Supply/Demand impact on prices still applies. The impact of insider trading, speculation, government intervention, theft, etc. still apply, too. But the state dept didn't lie as to the reason as to why it should be built. Do I have to use the word "LIE" again as regards RW media? That has been my entire thesis on this thread.

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