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RE: For profit Prisons are evil: - 2/9/2014 3:35:38 AM

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Well, it's nice to see this sort of honesty, even it the people providing it are clueless as what they are saying. News flash, kids. There are a lot more stories about jails and prisons in the US than will ever make your news feeds.

Do you mean honesty such as your lies about what I had posted on the firearms issues ?

Okay, so I didnt check if it was the same thread from a few years back, SYG and shoot me.

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RE: For profit Prisons are evil: - 2/9/2014 3:36:57 AM

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The "kids for cash" scandal unfolded in 2008 over judicial kickbacks at the Luzerne County Court of Common Pleas in Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania. Two judges, President Judge Mark Ciavarella and Senior Judge Michael Conahan, were accused of accepting money from Robert Mericle, builder of two private, for-profit juvenile facilities, in return for contracting with the facilities and imposing harsh sentences on juveniles brought before their courts to increase the number of inmates in the detention centers.[1][2]

For example, Ciavarella sentenced children to extended stays in juvenile detention for offenses as minimal as mocking a principal on Myspace, trespassing in a vacant building, and shoplifting DVDs from Wal-mart.[3] Ciavarella and Conahan pled guilty on February 13, 2009, pursuant to a plea agreement, to federal charges of honest services fraud and conspiracy to defraud the United States (failing to report income to the Internal Revenue Service, known as tax evasion) in connection with receiving $2.6 million in payments from managers at PA Child Care in Pittston Township and its sister company Western PA Child Care in Butler County.[4][5] The plea agreement was later voided by a federal judge, who was dissatisfied with the post-plea conduct of the defendants, and the two judges charged subsequently withdrew their guilty pleas, raising the possibility of a criminal trial.[6]

I didn't take the time to link all of the words in the article that went to other links but you can find them by following the original.

If this one instance alone isn't enough to dissuade someone from private prisons, I would question their humanity.

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RE: For profit Prisons are evil: - 2/9/2014 3:52:52 AM

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Well, it's nice to see this sort of honesty, even it the people providing it are clueless as what they are saying. News flash, kids. There are a lot more stories about jails and prisons in the US than will ever make your news feeds.

Do you mean honesty such as your lies about what I had posted on the firearms issues ?

Okay, so I didnt check if it was the same thread from a few years back, SYG and shoot me.

Careful now PS!

If setting up a MySpace mocking your school principal is enough to land you in prison in the USA, you might well be committing a captial offence here ....!

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RE: For profit Prisons are evil: - 2/9/2014 3:53:08 PM

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If we used the death penalty as often as it is justified by the crimes, we wouldn't be dealing with these overcrowding issues.

The real savings in the private prison industry isn't on the inmate security and care costs, but in that we aren't dealing with a corrupt and evil public employee union that believes guards need to be on the clock as they walk from their cars to the locker room, to get dressed for work and then back to the cars after they have showered and changed clothes, and retirement plans where they can quit working and start collecting a pension check in their early 40's.

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RE: For profit Prisons are evil: - 2/9/2014 5:37:48 PM

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Since you are the only person here posting that, feel free to support it.

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This *is* the story from a few years ago... [8|

So that makes it okay then.

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RE: For profit Prisons are evil: - 2/9/2014 5:49:04 PM

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SYG and shoot me.

I'm in CA, so I'll need you to take a couple steps into the entryway. Just stay on the tile, so the mess won't fuck up the carpeting.

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RE: For profit Prisons are evil: - 2/9/2014 11:26:44 PM

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SYG and shoot me.

I'm in CA, so I'll need you to take a couple steps into the entryway. Just stay on the tile, so the mess won't fuck up the carpeting.

LOL

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RE: For profit Prisons are evil: - 2/10/2014 12:23:51 AM

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SYG and shoot me.

I'm in CA, so I'll need you to take a couple steps into the entryway. Just stay on the tile, so the mess won't fuck up the carpeting.

The redneck's answer to problems great and small. (roll eyes)

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RE: For profit Prisons are evil: - 2/10/2014 12:26:27 AM

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Huey Newton was a redneck?

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SYG and shoot me.

I'm in CA, so I'll need you to take a couple steps into the entryway. Just stay on the tile, so the mess won't fuck up the carpeting.

The redneck's answer to problems great and small. (roll eyes)

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RE: For profit Prisons are evil: - 2/10/2014 7:53:18 AM

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Huey Newton was a redneck?

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SYG and shoot me.

I'm in CA, so I'll need you to take a couple steps into the entryway. Just stay on the tile, so the mess won't fuck up the carpeting.

The redneck's answer to problems great and small. (roll eyes)

Guns are used when politics and passive resistance fail. Rosa parks achieved a lot more.

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RE: For profit Prisons are evil: - 2/10/2014 9:37:44 AM

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ORIGINAL: Artisculation2

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SYG and shoot me.

I'm in CA, so I'll need you to take a couple steps into the entryway. Just stay on the tile, so the mess won't fuck up the carpeting.

The redneck's answer to problems great and small. (roll eyes)

Nonsense. The redneck answer to everything is duck tape.

Welcome to this odd little corner of the interwebs. I hope you'll be bringing us a fresh perspective and thoughtful contributions. One little thing to keep in mind, when you see exchanges such as the above, is that there may be a subtext between longtime participants not clear on the surface.

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RE: For profit Prisons are evil: - 2/10/2014 3:44:20 PM

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SYG and shoot me.

I'm in CA, so I'll need you to take a couple steps into the entryway. Just stay on the tile, so the mess won't fuck up the carpeting.

Carpet in the desert.....surely the sand that gets blown in will dry up the blood.....

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RE: For profit Prisons are evil: - 2/10/2014 3:46:36 PM

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Since you are the only person here posting that, feel free to support it.

Support what ? I have made my views on the issue clear to anyone who can read.

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RE: For profit Prisons are evil: - 2/10/2014 8:24:34 PM

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Carpet in the desert.....surely the sand that gets blown in will dry up the blood.....

Nah. Even in the bad dust storms last spring, I never saw so much as a small drift on this street. The doors and windows face the right direction, and I even have a perfect exposure for the solar panels that go on in a couple months. I suppose the bay window in the kitchen will let some dust in, when the next 10 year storm comes through on that side of the house. Sand is hardly the right kind of absorbent material anyway. Were you thinking of kitty litter maybe? That's clay. We have caliche. Very different stuff

Getting back to the topic of the thread though, I think there is a place in the US system for privately operated prisons. The case of a private juvenile facility bribing a judge to keep them nice and full is intolerable. I'd like to see laws providing sentence enhancements severe enough to start an 8th Amendment appeal, and SCOTUS coming back to say it's cruel, but not unusual, and for the former judge to get back to tossing that salad.

If we want to keep trying new things in incarceration, fundamental job training, meaningful drug treatment, social rehabilitation, then the typical American government bureaucrat isn't who should be running the show.

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