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MrRodgers -> Gods of the New Millennium (2/8/2014 12:01:20 AM)

Alien spaceships sweep into the spaceport from a huge blue-green planet that swam into the regions near Earth only centuries before. On the giant runways made of quarried stone, alien-human hybrids scurry to make sure all is in readiness for the landing of the gods from another planet. In the plains and hills beyond, thousands of their servant/slave brothers labor to extract minerals from the soil for their alien overlords.

Nearby and tens of thousands of miles across the planet astronomical clocks like those of Stonehenge and Machu Picchu not only keep watch over the procession of the stars, but also serve respectively as symbols for the alien masters, themselves vastly ancient, who, in a complex rotational system of 2,160 years apiece, share the responsibility for all of human activity.

Science fiction? No. The true history of man's ancient past as recreated by Alan Alford, a 36-year-old Welsh former chartered accountant who has joined the ranks of those authors, like Erich von Daniken and Zecharia Sitchin, who believe that ancient astronauts' visited our planet millennia ago and critically influenced the evolution of our species.

Fast forward:

Central to Alford's theory is the increasingly accepted realization by modern science of the amazing and improbable nature of man's evolutionary history. Homo erectus emerged from the apes about six million years ago, according to Alford and others, and for millions of years thereafter changed hardly at all.

Then, abruptly, about 200,000 years ago (Alford gives a figure of 184,000 years, based on his Sumerian readings), homo sapiens emerged from homo erectus and our species took a remarkable leap forward in a very short span of time (evolutionarily speaking), acquiring a 50 percent increase in brain size, language capability, and an utterly changed modern anatomy. At the dawn of history, in ancient Sumeria, the leap became an exponential curve as mankind acquired in a few short centuries most of the benefits, albeit in primitive form, of modern civilization.

In his book, and in interviews, Alford insists that straightforward Darwinism cannot explain such a magisterial leap forward. Such prodigies of random mutation and natural selection would have had to take place, he says, almost simultaneously, and so perfectly, over such short periods of time, that there is just no way this could have happened. Citing Stephen Jay Gould's oft-quoted reference to the amazing improbability of human evolution, Alford points to a wealth of inscriptions, translated only recently, to back up his contention of alien-inspired genetic meddling in the history of our species. To cite one example, he refers to what seems to be a Sumerian reference to a knowledge of cloning on the part of the gods:

To cite another, he is able in examining the strange Sumerian counting system, which alternated in almost arbitrary fashion between the powers of ten and 60 to show that the Babylonian measurement of a sar was not 3,600 but 2,160 years, thereby squaring the Sumerian Kings List with the Book of Genesis.

JUNK DNA, by some...called the litter.

Fiebag contends that this litter' could well be important information about the structural code or a genetic language not yet recognized as such. And, he speculates, if extraterrestrial intelligences have carried out the manipulation of our DNA in the distant past, hints of such an event would have to be found precisely here, in this so-called litter.'

Edinburgh University graduate Dr. Thomas Dorman, a specialist in internal and orthopedic medicine now practicing in Wellington, Washington, contends that the pelvic area of a two-legged animal such as homo sapiens is so radically different from that of a four-legged animal that an impossibly huge number of successful and simultaneous evolutionary changes would have had to take place for the latter to have evolved into the former. In fact, says Dorman, at a certain point the evolving creature would have been unable to walk at all, and therefore would not have survived. This leads him to conclude that man never evolved from the apes at all, but along a quite different evolutionary path. It is not far from this contention to the suggestion that man's remarkable evolutionary changes might have been engineered by gene-tinkering aliens exactly the thesis of Sitchin, and now Alford.

What I call a summation of today's beliefs:

But everywhere underlying Eliade's words is the assumption that these were not literal realities, but archetypal images welling up from the collective unconscious of archaic man alone and terrified in a universe he could not understand.

It has been said among other comments that the Ancient Aliens on H2 are theories from idiots. Well if you are told a pissed off carpenter who also pissed of the powers, could make the blind see, turn water into wine, was crucified, died in 3 days when it normally took two weeks, entombed and in 3 days arose from the dead and accompanied by those called angels into the sky...would also have been called idiots.

The whole summary text. of Gods of the New Millennium. Here




DomKen -> RE: Gods of the New Millennium (2/8/2014 4:07:40 AM)

Bullshit.

There was nothing sudden about our emergence from H erectus, there were several species in between. So that is just plain made up.

Junk DNA, more properly called noncoding regions, are found in all species so if aliens manipulated humans they also manipulated amoebas and puffer fish which have much more junk DNA than humans.

As to pelvic evolution we have the other primates and apes. Are they quadrupeds or bipeds? Most can walk in both postures. BTW we are so genetically close to chimpanzees it would be difficult to tell our genomes apart.

If your scientific illiteracy is this vast I urge you to learn about these subject in legit sources. It is fascinating stuff. You'll learn reality.




Kirata -> RE: Gods of the New Millennium (2/8/2014 7:22:24 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

we are so genetically close to chimpanzees it would be difficult to tell our genomes apart.

I realize that you are sincere in your faith, but trying to promote the Book of Ken as "science" is taking things a step too far.

It is now clear that the genetic differences between humans and chimpanzees are far more extensive than previously thought; their genomes are not 98% or 99% identical. ~Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 2012

Chimpanzee and human Y chromosomes are remarkably divergent in structure and gene content ~Nature, 2010

K.




Darkfeather -> RE: Gods of the New Millennium (2/8/2014 9:09:26 AM)

Yeah, no. Have you taken a look at the moon. There are still bits of trash there left from the original lunar landing back in 1969. And there are bits of trash left there from all other subsequent landings. Billions of years from now, if some future species lands on the moon, guess what, they are going to find bits of trash from the first lunar landing back in 1969 still on the moon. We have tons and tons of crap floating out there, on planets and in space, satellites we sent out to explore, landers we sent to explore. And all that stuff is still there. To say some alien species came to this planet millions of years ago and left nothing behind when they left, I call bullshit. Not a machine or a monitor, not a communicator or a fork. Hell not even a crushed coke can. Nothing is that perfect on a small scale, let alone on a global one




MasterCaneman -> RE: Gods of the New Millennium (2/8/2014 9:46:46 AM)

I'll play devil's advocate here and say that a couple thousand years is a long time for a piece of technology to survive the elements. Sure, stone and ceramic artifacts are common, but metals had intrinsic value, and over time, they may have been recycled by us stinking humans. Just look at what's left behind from the Second World War as an example. Corrosion-resistant aluminum either has broken down or been scrapped, and the iron and steel has also gone that way. And natural forces are awesome. Concrete and asphalt can be torn up and crumbled by heat and cold cycles, and washed away by wave action.

If 'they' did come, one might also consider that they didn't leave behind significant artifacts for the simple reason they were a long way from home and couldn't replace them. Or, their technologies didn't follow the same form and manufacturing factors ours do. They may even have been interstellar practitioners of 'green' exploration, following the 'leave only footprints' model. Another possibility is they were adhering to an antediluvian Prime Directive not to leave behind technology that could affect our development, or didn't want to give a savage and dangerous bunch as we are the means to strike back at them someday.

Another tangent one could presume is 'they' were 'us' instead. Perhaps, once upon a time, humanity had created another technologically advanced cosmopolitan civilization and managed to blow themselves 'back' into the Stone Age so effectively little to nothing remains to this day. I can't remember where I heard this, but myths are often history corrupted by time and retelling, or something along those lines.




DomKen -> RE: Gods of the New Millennium (2/8/2014 11:00:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

we are so genetically close to chimpanzees it would be difficult to tell our genomes apart.

I realize that you are sincere in your faith, but trying to promote the Book of Ken as "science" is taking things a step too far.

It is now clear that the genetic differences between humans and chimpanzees are far more extensive than previously thought; their genomes are not 98% or 99% identical. ~Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 2012

Chimpanzee and human Y chromosomes are remarkably divergent in structure and gene content ~Nature, 2010

K.


So you found one gene central to brain development that is very divergent and you got a quote from an article that you didn't understand. Care to go back over to the Creation and Evolution thread and defend your claims?




Kirata -> RE: Gods of the New Millennium (2/8/2014 11:20:11 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

you found... you got... you didn't...

The First Law of Holes

K.





DomKen -> RE: Gods of the New Millennium (2/8/2014 11:27:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

you found... you got... you didn't...

The First Law of Holes

K.



If I present a gene sequence will you be able to identify whether it is human or chimp? how about a chromosome image?




Darkfeather -> RE: Gods of the New Millennium (2/8/2014 11:27:40 AM)

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This is a copper coin, circa 65 AD. To say that anything produced by humans would degrade over time, especially an advanced civilization... How long have we been on this planet, and we are still leaving crap around. We continue to leave crap on this planet and forever will, we leave crap on every planet we visit, we leave crap in orbit around this planet, we leave crap flying in outer space. And so far, we are the only intelligent life we know of. Using us as an example of how any other life would act, I think no other sentient life out there would leave absolutely nothing if it were to colonize, alter the genetic history, then leave, of a given ecosystem




MrRodgers -> RE: Gods of the New Millennium (2/8/2014 11:53:37 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Bullshit.

There was nothing sudden about our emergence from H erectus, there were several species in between. So that is just plain made up.

Junk DNA, more properly called noncoding regions, are found in all species so if aliens manipulated humans they also manipulated amoebas and puffer fish which have much more junk DNA than humans.

As to pelvic evolution we have the other primates and apes. Are they quadrupeds or bipeds? Most can walk in both postures. BTW we are so genetically close to chimpanzees it would be difficult to tell our genomes apart.

If your scientific illiteracy is this vast I urge you to learn about these subject in legit sources. It is fascinating stuff. You'll learn reality.

There still is that 'missing link' and it still is...missing. If you wish to believe modern religious mythology, fine. I prefer to keep my open mind...wide open. Can you for example, identify all of those species between say 4-6 million years ago and 184,000 years ago ?

Plus don't forget, much of what Alford's book is based on is information just recently researched and there are several books disallowed into the bible plus that fact that many govts. around world have an interest in the status quo.

The relationship between the respective genetic make up of humans vs other animal species is not up for discussion because the disputation of which...is irrelevant.




littlewonder -> RE: Gods of the New Millennium (2/8/2014 11:54:45 AM)

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MrRodgers -> RE: Gods of the New Millennium (2/8/2014 11:56:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Darkfeather

[image]http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/83/04/84/830484f7c4e332f7cfb1536248bcb482.jpg[/image]

This is a copper coin, circa 65 AD. To say that anything produced by humans would degrade over time, especially an advanced civilization... How long have we been on this planet, and we are still leaving crap around. We continue to leave crap on this planet and forever will, we leave crap on every planet we visit, we leave crap in orbit around this planet, we leave crap flying in outer space. And so far, we are the only intelligent life we know of. Using us as an example of how any other life would act, I think no other sentient life out there would leave absolutely nothing if it were to colonize, alter the genetic history, then leave, of a given ecosystem

That's why gold was and always has been...of special interest. Plus many archaeological sites are highly restricted with much of the evidence admittedly confiscated and hidden by govts. particularly the S. African gold mine sites. Additionally, the just what was and what was not the physical bearer of the ten commandments, and the Ark of the Covenant and on what they were written and where 'that' is now. In that...the bible actually contradicts itself.

Also recall that much of has been discovered and continues to be discovered...predates Christianity.




MrRodgers -> RE: Gods of the New Millennium (2/8/2014 12:00:14 PM)


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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

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I prefer 'Kilroy was here.'




Darkfeather -> RE: Gods of the New Millennium (2/8/2014 12:04:13 PM)

uhm, that coin is made out of copper, not gold...




DesFIP -> RE: Gods of the New Millennium (2/8/2014 12:16:28 PM)

Sorry, come back with hypotheses by geneticists, not accountants and orthopedists, and I'll bother to take a look.




DomKen -> RE: Gods of the New Millennium (2/8/2014 12:19:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Bullshit.

There was nothing sudden about our emergence from H erectus, there were several species in between. So that is just plain made up.

Junk DNA, more properly called noncoding regions, are found in all species so if aliens manipulated humans they also manipulated amoebas and puffer fish which have much more junk DNA than humans.

As to pelvic evolution we have the other primates and apes. Are they quadrupeds or bipeds? Most can walk in both postures. BTW we are so genetically close to chimpanzees it would be difficult to tell our genomes apart.

If your scientific illiteracy is this vast I urge you to learn about these subject in legit sources. It is fascinating stuff. You'll learn reality.

There still is that 'missing link' and it still is...missing. If you wish to believe modern religious mythology, fine. I prefer to keep my open mind...wide open. Can you for example, identify all of those species between say 4-6 million years ago and 184,000 years ago ?

Plus don't forget, much of what Alford's book is based on is information just recently researched and there are several books disallowed into the bible plus that fact that many govts. around world have an interest in the status quo.

The relationship between the respective genetic make up of humans vs other animal species is not up for discussion because the disputation of which...is irrelevant.

The missing link is nonsense. Every time a "missing link" is found two new ones can be pointed to.

I have no idea about anything in Alford's book. What you presented was complete bunk. For instance the claim that H sapiens emerged directly from H erectus. As to genetics, you brought it up and you cannot run away from the claim simply because it turns out the claim is full of shit.




MrRodgers -> RE: Gods of the New Millennium (2/8/2014 12:20:15 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Darkfeather

uhm, that coin is made out of copper, not gold...

Nero's; post reform coin minting were in gold and silver. 64-68 AD




MrRodgers -> RE: Gods of the New Millennium (2/8/2014 12:55:35 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers


quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

Bullshit.

There was nothing sudden about our emergence from H erectus, there were several species in between. So that is just plain made up.

Junk DNA, more properly called noncoding regions, are found in all species so if aliens manipulated humans they also manipulated amoebas and puffer fish which have much more junk DNA than humans.

As to pelvic evolution we have the other primates and apes. Are they quadrupeds or bipeds? Most can walk in both postures. BTW we are so genetically close to chimpanzees it would be difficult to tell our genomes apart.

If your scientific illiteracy is this vast I urge you to learn about these subject in legit sources. It is fascinating stuff. You'll learn reality.

There still is that 'missing link' and it still is...missing. If you wish to believe modern religious mythology, fine. I prefer to keep my open mind...wide open. Can you for example, identify all of those species between say 4-6 million years ago and 184,000 years ago ?

Plus don't forget, much of what Alford's book is based on is information just recently researched and there are several books disallowed into the bible plus that fact that many govts. around world have an interest in the status quo.

The relationship between the respective genetic make up of humans vs other animal species is not up for discussion because the disputation of which...is irrelevant.

The missing link is nonsense. Every time a "missing link" is found two new ones can be pointed to.

I have no idea about anything in Alford's book. What you presented was complete bunk. For instance the claim that H sapiens emerged directly from H erectus. As to genetics, you brought it up and you cannot run away from the claim simply because it turns out the claim is full of shit.

Not only does every chart show H ercetus going to (in millions of years) Neanderthal and CroMagnon but then to what ? The last on the chart...US or H Sapien.

But neither you or conventional science has proven where the leap of knowledge took place. Even Darwin said the fossil record in incomplete. It is precisely because and irrespective of any absolute transitional fossil record that science cannot explain intellect and that there has been no explanation for that after millions of years and at about 184,000 years ago, man began to acquire knowledge (increase in the size of the brain and language) anything even similar to that and what is suggested, is the very basis of the knowledge man has now.







DomKen -> RE: Gods of the New Millennium (2/8/2014 1:02:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers


quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers


quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

Bullshit.

There was nothing sudden about our emergence from H erectus, there were several species in between. So that is just plain made up.

Junk DNA, more properly called noncoding regions, are found in all species so if aliens manipulated humans they also manipulated amoebas and puffer fish which have much more junk DNA than humans.

As to pelvic evolution we have the other primates and apes. Are they quadrupeds or bipeds? Most can walk in both postures. BTW we are so genetically close to chimpanzees it would be difficult to tell our genomes apart.

If your scientific illiteracy is this vast I urge you to learn about these subject in legit sources. It is fascinating stuff. You'll learn reality.

There still is that 'missing link' and it still is...missing. If you wish to believe modern religious mythology, fine. I prefer to keep my open mind...wide open. Can you for example, identify all of those species between say 4-6 million years ago and 184,000 years ago ?

Plus don't forget, much of what Alford's book is based on is information just recently researched and there are several books disallowed into the bible plus that fact that many govts. around world have an interest in the status quo.

The relationship between the respective genetic make up of humans vs other animal species is not up for discussion because the disputation of which...is irrelevant.

The missing link is nonsense. Every time a "missing link" is found two new ones can be pointed to.

I have no idea about anything in Alford's book. What you presented was complete bunk. For instance the claim that H sapiens emerged directly from H erectus. As to genetics, you brought it up and you cannot run away from the claim simply because it turns out the claim is full of shit.

Not only does every chart show H ercetus going to (in millions of years) Neanderthal and CroMagnon but then to what ? The last on the chart...US or H Sapien.

But neither you or conventional science has proven where the leap of knowledge took place. Even Darwin said the fossil record in incomplete. It is precisely because and irrespective of any absolute transitional fossil record that science cannot explain intellect and that there has been no explanation for that after millions of years and at about 184,000 years ago, man began to acquire knowledge (increase in the size of the brain and language) anything even similar to that and what is suggested, is the very basis of the knowledge man has now.

Every chart does not show that.
This is more or less the modern view
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Humanevolutionchart.png

Darwin was working more than 150 years ago. Of course his knowledge of human evolution was far more incomplete than is ours is.

There is nothing special about 184k years. That is just more nonsense from this guy's book. Brain size, tool sophistication and other markers for intelligence have been improving in the hominid line for millions of years. Like I told you previously try learning about th subject from mainstream sources.




Moonhead -> RE: Gods of the New Millennium (2/8/2014 1:07:16 PM)

FR:
Am I the only one who finds all this von Daniken bullshit patronising and offensive?
"Oh, these savages couldn't have achieved this that or t'other on their own: the aliens must have done it for them."
FFS...




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