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Play Partner Etiquettes for the Male Subs - 2/8/2014 4:34:35 PM   
ChaoticIntent


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This may seem like a stupid question, but I will ask it none the less.

I will be meeting a female play partner of mine. She is the top and I the bottom when we scene, but we are not boyfriend/girlfriend in any way shape or form. We are just friends. With that said, when we meet at a dance club for a fetish party (it may be only us two, so no third wheel so to speak). Should I pay for her to get in the club and for the drinks? I know I can always offer to buy her a drink as a token of our friendship, but not sure as to how far I should go with it being that I am the "bottom" and she is the "top."





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RE: Play Partner Etiquettes for the Male Subs - 2/8/2014 5:41:07 PM   
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I would say discuss this with Her and see what she is comfortable with.

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RE: Play Partner Etiquettes for the Male Subs - 2/8/2014 5:56:50 PM   
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I agree, discuss it with her. You aren't her "sub," merely a play partner, so outside of any scene, she is just a friend. If one of you makes significantly more than the other, I would take that into consideration.

When I go out with friends (that's all she is right?), we all pay out own cover, then often just take turns buying drinks. Unless of course one of you drinks draft beer and the other multi-liquor mixed drinks.


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RE: Play Partner Etiquettes for the Male Subs - 2/8/2014 8:03:30 PM   
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Considering how difficult it is for male subs to get a steady female play partner, I think you should offer to pay her way. If she doesn't want it, she will refuse. But it should be seen as a nice gesture.

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RE: Play Partner Etiquettes for the Male Subs - 2/8/2014 8:26:13 PM   
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Imo, if you're just two people playing together and there's no D/s involved, or a relationship involved or some kind of business contract, then you both pay your own way. I look at it the same as you two being fuck buddies. There's no ties to each other. You're just two people fucking/playing together, no strings attached.


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RE: Play Partner Etiquettes for the Male Subs - 2/8/2014 8:44:37 PM   
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If you are engaging in BDSM with her, she may not be your girlfriend but the two of you are more than "just friends." I think you should either ask beforehand her if she wants you to pay or, when you get there, at least offer to pay for her to get into the club and for the drinks.

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RE: Play Partner Etiquettes for the Male Subs - 2/9/2014 4:56:31 AM   
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Definitely this:
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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

Considering how difficult it is for male subs to get a steady female play partner, I think you should offer to pay her way. If she doesn't want it, she will refuse. But it should be seen as a nice gesture.

And this:
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If you are engaging in BDSM with her, she may not be your girlfriend but the two of you are more than "just friends." I think you should either ask beforehand her if she wants you to pay or, when you get there, at least offer to pay for her to get into the club and for the drinks.

Even if there are no romantic feelings involved, I'll assume that you are engaging in exclusive play? She's the only one Topping you and she's not playing with other bottoms while the two of you are out together? This makes it a playdate.

You are a man first, a sub second. It's the chivalrous thing to do, to offer at the minimum. Offer twice to pay your covers (which are often minimal for females, much higher for males). If she refuses twice, then leave it alone. It could signify she wants to keep her options open and not feel beholden to you throughout the evening. Offer first round, and if she turns you down, tell her she can get the second round but you've got this covered. Notice when she might need a refill and offer to get her another. If she's okay with that, then just pay.

The exception would be if she moves onto another play partner or starts flirting with other men. She may let someone else buy her a drink. Female Tops are highly coveted, so watch out for other subs/bottoms sniffing around. Otherwise, if you are not perceived as being a couple at whatever event, you are inviting encroachment. If you're fine with that, then chill. It's still good to impress your date by standing out and sending the message you're not like the rest of the opportunistic guys who just use women.

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RE: Play Partner Etiquettes for the Male Subs - 2/9/2014 7:29:01 AM   
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quote:

Considering how difficult it is for male subs to get a steady female play partner, I think you should offer to pay her way. If she doesn't want it, she will refuse. But it should be seen as a nice gesture.


This has my vote.

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RE: Play Partner Etiquettes for the Male Subs - 2/9/2014 7:54:00 AM   
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quote:

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quote:

Considering how difficult it is for male subs to get a steady female play partner, I think you should offer to pay her way. If she doesn't want it, she will refuse. But it should be seen as a nice gesture.


This has my vote.


My vote as well....

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RE: Play Partner Etiquettes for the Male Subs - 2/9/2014 10:09:50 AM   
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There is always room to be submissive and be a gentleman. Of course you should buy her drinks. Wouldn't you buy your friend drinks if she wasn't playing with you?

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RE: Play Partner Etiquettes for the Male Subs - 2/9/2014 2:25:47 PM   
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quote:

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There is always room to be submissive and be a gentleman. Of course you should buy her drinks. Wouldn't you buy your friend drinks if she wasn't playing with you?

In fact, submissive men should act all the more like gentlemen. This doesn't mean that being a gentleman makes you a submissive, any more than conducting yourself like a lady in public means that you're submissive.

It has to do with having class or not having class. Which goes back to when you're out with friends, I'm sure you would at some point offer to treat everybody to a round if you can afford to do so and/or get an appetizer to share amongst yourselves (without undue hardship to your finances).

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RE: Play Partner Etiquettes for the Male Subs - 2/9/2014 3:06:16 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ChaoticIntent

This may seem like a stupid question, but I will ask it none the less.

I will be meeting a female play partner of mine. She is the top and I the bottom when we scene, but we are not boyfriend/girlfriend in any way shape or form. We are just friends. With that said, when we meet at a dance club for a fetish party (it may be only us two, so no third wheel so to speak). Should I pay for her to get in the club and for the drinks? I know I can always offer to buy her a drink as a token of our friendship, but not sure as to how far I should go with it being that I am the "bottom" and she is the "top."








A gentleman always opens a door for a woman, always offers to pay for drinks and, a gentleman always pulls out her chair for her.

However, if indeed you're just friends, it's perfectly acceptable to pull the chair away just as she's sitting down, laughing profusely at the humor of it all and say "I promise I won't ever do that again" fully regaining her trust and then.....do it again as she returns from the ladies room regardless (because it's just fucking hilarious).

This also applies to "accidentally" letting the door slip and slam on her....but, to get away with it....you have to say "Ooooops....shit....sorry about that" in a believable fashion.

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RE: Play Partner Etiquettes for the Male Subs - 2/9/2014 4:04:18 PM   
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Do you frequently buy drinks for your female friends? I do not. I expect my friends to pay their own way as a general rule.

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RE: Play Partner Etiquettes for the Male Subs - 2/9/2014 5:41:44 PM   
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But they're not just friends. She has her choice of male subs and has chosen to top him. She could find someone new overnight and he might still be looking in a year's time.

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RE: Play Partner Etiquettes for the Male Subs - 2/9/2014 5:42:15 PM   
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When I'm out with my friends, we don't normally buy drinks for each other unless we're at the bar and she wants something and the bar is crowded and then she'll just pay for the next one I want.

But otherwise, my friends pay for themselves.


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RE: Play Partner Etiquettes for the Male Subs - 2/9/2014 5:56:42 PM   
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Well I guess we would need more information on how they came to be play partners. In a sense, they are on a "date" as in "play date." But depending on their relationship, they may hang out other times and not play. We don't know. However, I peeked at the OP's profile and he seems clear that his "job" is to pay for dinner when it is a relationship.

I'm as old fashioned as the next old gal, but the OP is not in our generation, nor do I expect is his play partner.. that generation looks at who pays differently. So I stick with him discussing it with her.

But I also take issue with the idea that he somehow "owes" it to her to pay because she is agreeing to top him. She isn't doing him a favor, she's getting something out of it as well. They aren't in a relationship, they are basically fuck buddies. In the vanillan world, she could just as easily find any guy to fuck. Without the play, her being top, would everyone say he owes it to her to pay his way for the priviledge of fucking her?

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RE: Play Partner Etiquettes for the Male Subs - 2/9/2014 6:05:09 PM   
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that's what I was saying in my previous post. She's basically a fuck buddy. I never went out of my way to pay for anything for my fuck buddy. He paid his own way. We weren't on a date, we weren't dating, no relationship but not friends either since I only ever saw him was when one of us called for a booty call. He paid his own way with everything.

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RE: Play Partner Etiquettes for the Male Subs - 2/9/2014 6:45:46 PM   
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quote:

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Well I guess we would need more information on how they came to be play partners. In a sense, they are on a "date" as in "play date." But depending on their relationship, they may hang out other times and not play. We don't know. However, I peeked at the OP's profile and he seems clear that his "job" is to pay for dinner when it is a relationship.

I'm as old fashioned as the next old gal, but the OP is not in our generation, nor do I expect is his play partner.. that generation looks at who pays differently. So I stick with him discussing it with her.

But I also take issue with the idea that he somehow "owes" it to her to pay because she is agreeing to top him. She isn't doing him a favor, she's getting something out of it as well. They aren't in a relationship, they are basically fuck buddies. In the vanillan world, she could just as easily find any guy to fuck. Without the play, her being top, would everyone say he owes it to her to pay his way for the priviledge of fucking her?

OP did say they "are not boyfriend/girlfriend in any way shape or form." You're right about the younger generation, doing things differently than we do. Nevertheless, if the shoe were on the other foot, and if he were a male Top with a female bottom, he should still offer. It's a gesture of appreciation. It isn't like they're going out to meet up with other play partners. My take is they are arriving together and leaving together, not separately. If I am being accompanied by an adult male, any male, I expect that male to look out for me, run interference if need be to ward off unwanted male attention. It doesn't matter whether we are involved with one another or not.

As women, we need to stop sending mixed signals to men about how we want to be treated. They need all the practice they can get.

Skipping up to what I bolded, I beg to differ. Back to the stop sending mixed signals part. He IS getting play favors, whether there's any fucking going on or not, which I get the distinct impression there isn't. Let's take the BDSM out of it and go back to the vanilla example. I'm not going to fuck just any guy who takes me out on a date, nor is he entitled to this privilege. And yes, I consider it a privilege regardless of what I get out of it. I can't relate to having a fuckbuddy -- is that like a series of one-night stands with the same person or within a select circle of persons? <semi-facetiously> Do they always come over empty-handed, no booze, no herb, nothing? If some people want to consensually use one another in this manner, that's their own business. But neither are they friends either. Friendship operates on a higher level than that, so "fuckbuddy" is a misnomer.

OP and his Top can reach an arrangement between themselves so that there aren't any misunderstandings. Listen, whether we want to admit it or not, we women do test the waters and any guy who goes above and beyond what's expected of him is bound to impress us as a man of character, integrity and worth.

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RE: Play Partner Etiquettes for the Male Subs - 2/9/2014 7:56:51 PM   
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maybe that's where I differ. Even if I'm with a guy, I don't expect him to watch out for me or protect me or anything else. I don't even expect a ride home. Nor do I expect him to stick with me all night. For example, my fuck buddy and I would go out together to nightclubs, we'd walk in and we had an agreement...if neither of us found anyone else to fuck for the night, we would go get our jollies somewhere. Tit for tat...nothing more.

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RE: Play Partner Etiquettes for the Male Subs - 2/9/2014 11:35:52 PM   
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About the club, you should pay if you invited her to go there and choosed the place, in this case it would be just being polite, but if you met and decided on the moment to go there you have no formal obligation. About the drinks, there are to conditions to be met: 1) does it please you to pay for her drinks? 2) does she feel confortable if a friends pays for her? if both the answer are yes than you should pay for her.

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