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RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID - 2/11/2014 12:23:21 PM   
kdsub


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Status: offline 		I do believe your post is to the heart of this debate...I believe many...conservative and liberal alike... think there is and has been voter fraud and just want elections to be honest.

Some politicians however... on both sides... see a way to make political gains by accusing the opposing party of alternative motives. But these accusations are false and miss leading and do not reflect the true feelings of those that support the ID laws.

This seems to happen on ever issue... politicians just can't seem to help themselves. It is just the continuing lunacy of party over common sense.

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RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID - 2/11/2014 12:25:45 PM   
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Why, when there isn't any voting fraud to begin with?

Why make up a costly solution for a problem that doesn't exist?

Did you know that in the Wis. recall election that Milwaukee had a voter turnout of 120%.
No evidence of fraud there.

Because it didn't happen.
http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/impressive-voter-turnout-for-recall-election-t15uajf-160606775.html

Do not believe the crazy shit you read on right wing sites.

Do not believe the crazy shit you read on left wing sites.
How can a person live in Chicago and believe there is no voter fraud?
Still researching

You can "research" forever there was nothing unusual about Milwaukee city or county turnout in the recalls.

The only thing I have found on is Huffington post which claims the DA didn't have a problem with anything
that happened.
But Huffington would find someone to whitewash it if Walker had been assassinated.
No reliable sources either way so far.


I gave you the turnout number. It was in the mid 50's not over 100 like you claimed.

I could not find supporting evidence for the 120% turnout so I will have to withdraw the claim.
The fact that you said it was wrong does not, in and of itself prove anything.
You still refuse to acknowledge the Ohio poll workers who were convicted of voter fraud.

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RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID - 2/11/2014 12:28:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		there is some small conviction rate for voter fraud in the US (mostly because there is not much voter fraud), and of that percentage of whatever, what percent of the fraud would be prevented by voter ID?  Wouldn't we be more effective stopping people near stopsigns and writing them a ticket because we know at some point they will only rolling stop at a stop sign?

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RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID - 2/11/2014 12:30:29 PM   
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Why, when there isn't any voting fraud to begin with?

Why make up a costly solution for a problem that doesn't exist?

Did you know that in the Wis. recall election that Milwaukee had a voter turnout of 120%.
No evidence of fraud there.

Because it didn't happen.
http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/impressive-voter-turnout-for-recall-election-t15uajf-160606775.html

Do not believe the crazy shit you read on right wing sites.

Do not believe the crazy shit you read on left wing sites.
How can a person live in Chicago and believe there is no voter fraud?
Still researching

You can "research" forever there was nothing unusual about Milwaukee city or county turnout in the recalls.

The only thing I have found on is Huffington post which claims the DA didn't have a problem with anything
that happened.
But Huffington would find someone to whitewash it if Walker had been assassinated.
No reliable sources either way so far.


I gave you the turnout number. It was in the mid 50's not over 100 like you claimed.

I could not find supporting evidence for the 120% turnout so I will have to withdraw the claim.
The fact that you said it was wrong does not, in and of itself prove anything.
You still refuse to acknowledge the Ohio poll workers who were convicted of voter fraud.

I never made any statement about Ohio one way or another. You made a claim about Milwaukee that was completely untrue. You either made it up or got it from someone who made it up and I pointed that out and that got you upset for some reason.

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RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID - 2/11/2014 4:16:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		I never made any statement about Ohio one way or another. You made a claim about Milwaukee that was completely untrue. You either made it up or got it from someone who made it up and I pointed that out and that got you upset for some reason.

No I didn't get upset about you disagreeing.
Not too happy about the people who can't tell the difference between
Getting bad information and telling a lie.
Yep you refused to acknowledge the wrongdoing in Ohio while
supporting the absurd concept that there is no voter fraud.
You live in Chicago you have to know it is rampant.

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RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID - 2/11/2014 5:52:22 PM   
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I never made any statement about Ohio one way or another. You made a claim about Milwaukee that was completely untrue. You either made it up or got it from someone who made it up and I pointed that out and that got you upset for some reason.

No I didn't get upset about you disagreeing.

You clearly did
At to the rest, defensive much?

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RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID - 2/11/2014 6:00:33 PM   
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I never made any statement about Ohio one way or another. You made a claim about Milwaukee that was completely untrue. You either made it up or got it from someone who made it up and I pointed that out and that got you upset for some reason.

No I didn't get upset about you disagreeing.

You clearly did
At to the rest, defensive much?

So you want to make this about me?
That, like calling people liars is a blatant violation of TOS.
Now do you or do you not acknowledge the convictions in Ohio

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RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID - 2/12/2014 12:56:01 PM   
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RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID - 2/12/2014 12:58:41 PM   
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RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID - 2/12/2014 1:01:48 PM   
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RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID - 2/12/2014 1:13:33 PM   
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RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID - 2/12/2014 3:17:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		You have to forget this Republican bit... They are far from the only ones that want, or see nothing wrong, with IDs. And your voter fraud post may be true for Wisconsin but it sure as hell isn't for Missouri and in particular St. Louis... I have lived the voter fraud. Now the type of fraud may be different but there is plenty of fraud none the less.

I do not believe it has influenced any national or even state elections but it very well may have some local. To me local elections are just as important if not more so... They have a greater impact on my day to day life.

If you want real proof just do a simple search for voter fraud in St Louis.

Butch

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RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID - 2/12/2014 3:29:05 PM   
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You have to forget this Republican bit... They are far from the only ones that want, or see nothing wrong, with IDs. And your voter fraud post may be true for Wisconsin but it sure as hell isn't for Missouri and in particular St. Louis... I have lived the voter fraud. Now the type of fraud may be different but there is plenty of fraud none the less.

I do not believe it has influenced any national or even state elections but it very well may have some local. To me local elections are just as important if not more so... They have a greater impact on my day to day life.

If you want real proof just do a simple search for voter fraud in St Louis.

Butch

And the people who win at the local level become the candidates at the next level.
Do you remember 1960
Chicago held their vote counts until the rest of the state had reported and then came in with enough
to give Kennedy the state by less than one vote per precinct.
Most likely the reason many states have an automatic recount if the vote is that close.
But on the whole I agree with you.

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RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID - 2/12/2014 3:42:37 PM   
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We are all waiting for you to admit that you were misinformed about the issue.

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RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID - 2/12/2014 3:58:49 PM   
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We are all waiting for you to admit that you were misinformed about the issue.

Then you haven't read my posts.
Assuming you are talking about the over voting in Milwaukee

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RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID - 2/12/2014 4:03:25 PM   
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Chicago held their vote counts until the rest of the state had reported and then came in with enough
to give Kennedy the state by less than one vote per precinct.

It sounds as if the story may be more complicated than that.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/history_lesson/2000/10/was_nixon_robbed.single.html

In any case, the more pertinent question seems to be what evidence we have that voter fraud takes place today on a large enough scale to warrant the risk of disenfranchising voters.

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RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID - 2/12/2014 4:39:47 PM   
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large enough scale to warrant the risk of disenfranchising voters.


DC check THIS link out and just start reading some of the existing state requirements for voting. It seems to me that the proposed photoID would be easier to get than what is required now in many states.. I just do not see the problem with this.

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RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID - 2/12/2014 5:10:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		You have failed to acknowledge the underlying facts about "voting" fraud, have posted misinformation, and cling to minor examples of fraud that fail to show any legitimate need for the proposed ID Laws.

You have also been silent about how it's only a republican issue -- and have failed to see how big donors like the Koch brothers and other party wigs created this as an issue to lower voter turnout.

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RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID - 2/12/2014 5:14:02 PM   
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It is really not up to you to see the problem, the question is one of external fact -- namely that there in no problem of voter fraud -- and ID requirements will prevent a significant number of people from voting.

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RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID - 2/12/2014 5:16:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Did you run a search for voter fraud in St. Louis... do it...then tell me it means nothing

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