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RE: I suspect my particular predilection isn't all that... - 2/10/2014 12:35:21 PM   
LadyConstanze


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ORIGINAL: AthenaSurrenders (emphasis mine)

Anyway, OP. Without seeing your message, I imagine they didn't reply because they felt like you were just looking for any old vagina to play with. Women like to be wanted for who they are, not because they're part of the 50% of the population equipped with a vulva.


Thank you, thank you, thank you. After 50 Dommes come on here and tell him what exactly he said (in a note they never saw), you have the intellectual integrity to simply comment on what you know. Refreshing change. Though frankly, I'm surprised the other Dommes don't take you behind the cafeteria and beat you up.



Oh I am surprised that somebody can be so thick to not guess what he said, since he basically outlined and paraphrased what he sent in his message...

Duhhhhh, well yes, guy wanting to lick women, I guess there are a lot of ways how to interpret that, you think he was talking about their little toe?

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RE: I suspect my particular predilection isn't all that... - 2/10/2014 12:35:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: wannapleez

Thank you, thank you, thank you. After 50 Dommes come on here and tell him what exactly he said (in a note they never saw), you have the intellectual integrity to simply comment on what you know. Refreshing change. Though frankly, I'm surprised the other Dommes don't take you behind the cafeteria and beat you up.

Oh, the melodrama. OP did not provide us with his sample CM message if a critique on how better to phrase his contact messages was what he wanted. He asked for our input on the situation he described in graphic detail.

Personal attacks are not allowed on this forum. You owe AthenaSurrenders an apology.

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RE: I suspect my particular predilection isn't all that... - 2/10/2014 12:36:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: AthenaSurrenders (emphasis mine)

Anyway, OP. Without seeing your message, I imagine they didn't reply because they felt like you were just looking for any old vagina to play with. Women like to be wanted for who they are, not because they're part of the 50% of the population equipped with a vulva.


Thank you, thank you, thank you. After 50 Dommes come on here and tell him what exactly he said (in a note they never saw), you have the intellectual integrity to simply comment on what you know. Refreshing change. Though frankly, I'm surprised the other Dommes don't take you behind the cafeteria and beat you up.


Oh please, dude. When the OP states in no uncertain terms in his post above:
quote:

What is wrong with my approach, bearing in mind it IS what I wish - and not necessarily what a Domme wishes for me.
that should give you a clue.

Nothing wrong with wanting to get your needs met. But to push his unsolicited 'needs' voluminously enough to trigger the spam filter and not get a single reply...jeez, ya think something's not kosher there? He asked! We answered!

What the f*ck more does he (or you) want, except to change the entire nature of women? Ain't gonna happen.

As for AthenaSurrenders, when she posts, I pay attention and can't wait to see what she writes. She is one of my top favorite posters on this board. And she is a woman, so I'd say she has pretty good insight into how women feel.

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RE: I suspect my particular predilection isn't all that... - 2/10/2014 12:52:51 PM   
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OP, is your chuff-chomping fantasy one that you have seen in porn, perchance? With a really hot Domme?

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RE: I suspect my particular predilection isn't all that... - 2/10/2014 1:11:06 PM   
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OP, with a couple notable exceptions, I imagine that most of the responses here have been less than helpful. So let me offer my take that is devoid of universality (I won't apply my opinion to the rest of the world), bullshit omniscience (I won't tell you what you really meant), and gross over-generalizations (I won't base my view of your attitude on past history with others, seeing as how -- wait for it -- you aren't others).

First of all, don't lead with your enjoyment of cunnilingus. When first approaching a Domme, the things that you enjoy are of no relevance, even if they are activities that will bring her a great deal of pleasure. Be sure to thoroughly fill out your "interests" on your profile -- then a potential Domme can determine if there is a good enough commonality of interests. But she should initiate conversations about specific sexual activities -- at least early on.

Secondly, yes, cunnilingus is very often considered a vanilla activity anymore. However, that does not preclude it from being a key component of a Domme/sub relationship. No one in their right mind would claim that the benefit is solely the woman's (and only a major cynic would imply that this was your take). No one enters a BDSM relationship not expecting some pleasure on both ends; it's just that the Domme's pleasure is first and last -- but not only.

But among those for whom The Big 'O' is very important, that the man is giving several to the woman without reciprocation is not insignificant. There are many women -- and even Dommes -- for whom this can be puzzling. "Sure, he can serve me and submit to me for 6 hours," they think, "but after that, I'm at least going to let him jack off." Contrary to what the BDSM police tell you, this does not make he any less of a Domme.

Point being, if you are doing things for a Domme with no expectation of reciprocation of any kind (even getting to jack off), that is service. It may not be the kind of service that some Dommes appreciate, but it is service. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise, just because it isn't their cup o' Earl Grey.

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RE: I suspect my particular predilection isn't all that... - 2/10/2014 1:14:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FieryOpal


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ORIGINAL: wannapleez

Thank you, thank you, thank you. After 50 Dommes come on here and tell him what exactly he said (in a note they never saw), you have the intellectual integrity to simply comment on what you know. Refreshing change. Though frankly, I'm surprised the other Dommes don't take you behind the cafeteria and beat you up.

You owe AthenaSurrenders an apology.


AthenaSurrenders: If I in any way offended you by PRAISING you, I sincerely apologize. If, on the other hand, you have any reading comprehension skills whatsoever, then you know that no apology is necessary.

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RE: I suspect my particular predilection isn't all that... - 2/10/2014 1:17:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze
Oh I am surprised that somebody can be so thick to not guess what he said ....


Thank you for agreeing with me. It is nothing more than a guess. Too bad so few (exception: AthenaSurrenders) have the intellectual integrity to present it that way.

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RE: I suspect my particular predilection isn't all that... - 2/10/2014 1:22:24 PM   
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Is it even a fetish, lol?



HHmm...I think once you come on a message board and proclaim your love for it, it's a fetish.



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RE: I suspect my particular predilection isn't all that... - 2/10/2014 1:28:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt


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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

Is it even a fetish, lol?



HHmm...I think once you come on a message board and proclaim your love for it, it's a fetish.




I had been under the impression that fetishes were restricted to things that weren't inherently sexual. However, having wandered your site a bit, I think your definition is more accurate and thorough. Thanks for the education (and the new bookmark).

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RE: I suspect my particular predilection isn't all that... - 2/10/2014 1:28:50 PM   
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Eh. The OP I see contains oral worship combined with ignore. So it's a type of objectification. That qualifies as a "fetish" the way the word is loosely used in online BDSM.

It's a bidirectional form of objectification, of course. This seems to be the biggest obstacle to achieving it in real life. Women don't need to leave the house to be objectified, so a new way to be objectified doesn't make for a compelling offer.

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RE: I suspect my particular predilection isn't all that... - 2/10/2014 1:29:49 PM   
MsMJAY


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ORIGINAL: wannapleez


quote:

ORIGINAL: AthenaSurrenders (emphasis mine)

Anyway, OP. Without seeing your message, I imagine they didn't reply because they felt like you were just looking for any old vagina to play with. Women like to be wanted for who they are, not because they're part of the 50% of the population equipped with a vulva.


Thank you, thank you, thank you. After 50 Dommes come on here and tell him what exactly he said (in a note they never saw), you have the intellectual integrity to simply comment on what you know. Refreshing change. Though frankly, I'm surprised the other Dommes don't take you behind the cafeteria and beat you up.


I do not see where anyone made any assumptions. The OP had two issues. He believed his kink to be uncommon and he wondered why Dominant women online were not responding positively to it. From reading the posts its seems that every woman who responded addressed those two issues. Whether or not they stated it in a way you liked is not relevant but they all did seem to address his issues and the OP himself seemed to be satisfied with the answers he got. I don't understand why you would have a problem with it when the OP does not.

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RE: I suspect my particular predilection isn't all that... - 2/10/2014 1:36:52 PM   
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Eh. The OP I see contains oral worship combined with ignore. So it's a type of objectification. That qualifies as a "fetish" the way the word is loosely used in online BDSM.


Ah. His profile is much more clear about the ignore part, and I had only read his OP when I responded that I didn't think what he wanted was a actually fetish.

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RE: I suspect my particular predilection isn't all that... - 2/10/2014 1:41:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: wannapleez


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ORIGINAL: FieryOpal


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ORIGINAL: wannapleez

Thank you, thank you, thank you. After 50 Dommes come on here and tell him what exactly he said (in a note they never saw), you have the intellectual integrity to simply comment on what you know. Refreshing change. Though frankly, I'm surprised the other Dommes don't take you behind the cafeteria and beat you up.

You owe AthenaSurrenders an apology.


AthenaSurrenders: If I in any way offended you by PRAISING you, I sincerely apologize. If, on the other hand, you have any reading comprehension skills whatsoever, then you know that no apology is necessary.

Honestly, wannapleez, you're acting like the poster boy for why male subs can't get any action here. Your post, which you quoted, states that you'd be surprised if AthenaSurrenders didn't turn into a social pariah as a result of her post. Either you're insulting her lack of diplomacy; or you're insulting the social skills of all the other dominant women on the boards; or you're making a joke that nobody finds funny, in which case you're insulting your own level of social skill. None of the three options leaves you a winner.

You might consider taking a few breaths, calming down, and then talking like a normal person.

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RE: I suspect my particular predilection isn't all that... - 2/10/2014 1:51:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: wannapleez

OP, with a couple notable exceptions, I imagine that most of the responses here have been less than helpful. So let me offer my take that is devoid of universality (I won't apply my opinion to the rest of the world), bullshit omniscience (I won't tell you what you really meant), and gross over-generalizations (I won't base my view of your attitude on past history with others, seeing as how -- wait for it -- you aren't others).

First of all, don't lead with your enjoyment of cunnilingus. When first approaching a Domme, the things that you enjoy are of no relevance, even if they are activities that will bring her a great deal of pleasure. Be sure to thoroughly fill out your "interests" on your profile -- then a potential Domme can determine if there is a good enough commonality of interests. But she should initiate conversations about specific sexual activities -- at least early on.

Secondly, yes, cunnilingus is very often considered a vanilla activity anymore. However, that does not preclude it from being a key component of a Domme/sub relationship. No one in their right mind would claim that the benefit is solely the woman's (and only a major cynic would imply that this was your take). No one enters a BDSM relationship not expecting some pleasure on both ends; it's just that the Domme's pleasure is first and last -- but not only.

But among those for whom The Big 'O' is very important, that the man is giving several to the woman without reciprocation is not insignificant. There are many women -- and even Dommes -- for whom this can be puzzling. "Sure, he can serve me and submit to me for 6 hours," they think, "but after that, I'm at least going to let him jack off." Contrary to what the BDSM police tell you, this does not make he any less of a Domme.

Point being, if you are doing things for a Domme with no expectation of reciprocation of any kind (even getting to jack off), that is service. It may not be the kind of service that some Dommes appreciate, but it is service. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise, just because it isn't their cup o' Earl Grey.


You seem to be upset that the bdsm police here have painted with a wide brush and yet, you have done the same.

People conclude various things without all the information needed by some, to conclude something similar. You don't have to experience all things to know they might not be something you would like. You don't need to know every detail of a matter to understand all of it. Could someone be wrong in some way? Yes, but they could also be correct. When someone's profile reads like the OP's and then we have a post here to go on as well and a person is focused on one thing and one thing only, projecting how that will come about by his own wants and needs and expecting others to want them too, to the point of wanting to know why women are not jumping at the offer, it isn't hard to see what's going on. Now, lets add the fact that whatever he said, enough women hit the report spam button or he said it to so many, so quickly, that he hit the spam filter.

You may see things as black and white, fair in all your ways... but until you carry a pussy that men often focus on forgetting that the pussy belongs to a living, breathing person with feelings and the need for dignity and fair treatment and they often are not given fair treatment... then you cannot truly see what might be fair to them and say the things you have said. I don't blame every man for what many men do, but when they are nearly my age and still don't yet know that treating a woman as if she would respond like some men would and want someone to come service one part of their body, by a stranger with no other connection, then god help ya... you might need to be shown where the light bulb aisle is.

Your wide brush paints a scene about some dominant women that are unfair and don't believe in giving back to a submissive. That may be so in many cases, but for the most part, most the women on this thread have made posts throughout the years that prove that they don't function this way. As a matter of fact, I remember some threads on blow jobs and how many of us said we included them in our lives, found them a way to play enticingly with our men and go figure... we have had or do have satisfied men sticking around or coming back for more. So unless these men are total saps, lacking, they know the good stuff we give and appreciate it. Many have actual relationships with our submissives and we don't see it as a bartering system, though we could in play bring some of that in, but really... I doubt most of us think of it as some do. Tit for tat... all fair... an exchange. We are too busy being in a relationship to count exchanges for or against the other.



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RE: I suspect my particular predilection isn't all that... - 2/10/2014 1:54:09 PM   
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You all might want to read what wannaplez said to Athena... he was praising her and dissing the others.

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RE: I suspect my particular predilection isn't all that... - 2/10/2014 2:00:56 PM   
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You all might want to read what wannaplez said to Athena... he was praising her and dissing the others.

He was praising her logic. But it's possible to be right and still be an asshole. Most of the time in social interactions the goal is both to be right and not-an-asshole. So I don't see his post as unqualified praise of her, though perhaps wannapleez does. But if he does, my takeaway would be that he lacks social maturity.

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RE: I suspect my particular predilection isn't all that... - 2/10/2014 2:12:49 PM   
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First of all, don't lead with your enjoyment of cunnilingus.


Sage advice from the person who leads with the doughy outline of someone's junk in our faces.

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RE: I suspect my particular predilection isn't all that... - 2/10/2014 2:32:46 PM   
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<snip>We are too busy being in a relationship to count exchanges for or against the other.




Thank you for that. Relationships are not a baseball game; there is no score card. When Huck does something I truly appreciate (which is nearly every day), I'm sure he doesn't keep a tally. The women I know (including dominant women) who are satisfied in their relationships WANT to be generous and reciprocal. There isn't much I wouldn't do for Huck; yet he asks for nothing.

So giving a woman oral orgasms for 6 hours with no reciprocation is ONLY service to HER if SHE thinks it is. Don't expect a reward for her indulging YOUR fetish when it's not something important to her.

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RE: I suspect my particular predilection isn't all that... - 2/10/2014 2:32:50 PM   
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RE: I suspect my particular predilection isn't all that... - 2/10/2014 2:53:23 PM   
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What the f*ck more does he (or you) want, except to change the entire nature of women? Ain't gonna happen.


Or men!

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