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RE: What is female dominance? - 2/12/2014 7:22:12 AM   
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[The common thread which seems to run together with Dominant females I have known throughout my life, I'll condense as follows:

- Not wanting to be told what to do, very selective in whose authority they choose to defer to.
- Quietly commanding respect. (The loudest ones are often not the most dominant.)
- Independence of action. Independent thinkers. Not joiners.
- Might practice manipulation early in life to get their way, hopefully outgrowing this tendency with maturity by acquiring the power of persuasion instead.


Yet many submissive women are this way also. As a matter of fact, most great submissive women are like this. Look more closely at this description and you will find it echoed for intelligent, independent, quiet women who defer to the authority of perhaps only one man and they also command attention and respect from those they meet.

This is because these submissive women do not role reverse at all. So, role reversal would be the determinate if you are going to label women as Dominant or not. I notice the OP indicates role reversal is key and it might include BDSM but the first sentence makes it clear that BDSM is not the determinate here, answering those who would suggest the article does do so.

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RE: What is female dominance? - 2/12/2014 7:48:16 AM   
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RE: What is female dominance? - 2/12/2014 8:16:32 AM   
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A 1985 study suggests that about 30% of participants in BDSM activities are females.[1][2] A 1995 study indicates that 89% of heterosexual females who are active in BDSM expressed a preference for a submissive-recipient role in sexual bondage, suggesting also a preference for a dominant male, and 71% of heterosexual males preferred a dominant-initiator role.


This last statement in the OP quoted article would indicate that 89% of heterosexual females are either as I described them or the opposite as the person who just posted to my writing would have you believe.

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RE: What is female dominance? - 2/12/2014 8:18:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Subonico
Here are some I'm hoping are somewhat closer to reality.
1. Elise Sutton's site dedicated to Female Domination and male submission within loving and caring relationships
2. Mistress Scarlett's real life blog of female domination
3. And, maybe Collars N Cuffs forum site

I doubt I'm actually going about this the right way, so, please let me know of better resources for figuring this all out, given that I the conundrum is not so much to figure out what it is, but to figure out what it is and where I fit into the picture (if anywhere).

The Elise Sutton site is controversial. Quite a few people whose opinions I respect are confident Elise Sutton is a man having a fantastic wank at the internet's expense. I have never seen any solid evidence one way or the other, but I couldn't recommend it as a resource.

You might want to take a look at Akasha's Web. It's been online for many years, and Akasha is a regular poster here. Parts of the site are free, and others are paid-only. Akasha's a bit controversial too, perhaps, because she has paying clients in addition to "just" having a lifestyle relationship. But the amount of detail she puts into her posts here can only come from years of experience, not fantasy, so her site is a place to start.

And I might take heat for this again, but you need to meet people in real life. It's the only way to develop a BS detector about things you're reading online.

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RE: What is female dominance? - 2/12/2014 8:57:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Arturas

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A 1985 study suggests that about 30% of participants in BDSM activities are females.[1][2] A 1995 study indicates that 89% of heterosexual females who are active in BDSM expressed a preference for a submissive-recipient role in sexual bondage, suggesting also a preference for a dominant male, and 71% of heterosexual males preferred a dominant-initiator role.


This last statement in the OP quoted article would indicate that 89% of heterosexual females are either as I described them or the opposite as the person who just posted to my writing would have you believe.




I still wish to know, what exactly it is that you know about the femdom experience or that of the male submissive.

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RE: What is female dominance? - 2/12/2014 9:27:50 AM   
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Rawni, please oh please write that book! Or many books! I've been turning ideas over in my head for a more realistic portrayal of what female led relationships are like, but at the end of the day I'm just not really a writer (much to my chargrin). I am however an excellent editor and would be thrilled if you wanted a second pair of eyes to go over anything that you end up doing. I'm also looking for contributions to my new blog that's supposed to be geared towards helping submissive men understand the reality of female led relationships (maybe I'll go start a new thread about that...).

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RE: What is female dominance? - 2/12/2014 9:30:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Subonico


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ORIGINAL: FieryOpal
What men don't always understand is that it's not about the sex. Well, it is to a lesser extent.


What's bothering me isn't so much that I was all wrong about what female dominance really meant, to the woman - nor that almost everything I read about it is wrong - but that I really don't understand it - nor the conflict in my mind about it (since my objectives may be clearly different than that of the female dominant). Sigh.

Before asking this question, all I had at my disposal were my pre-conceieved ideas, the internet, and porn videos.

I knew enough to know that all those porn videos of women jacking off bound men wasn't what it was all about, but, usually there is "some" truth in movies, although, I fear, for female dominance videos, there may be almost none. I do know enough to realize that porn videos, while prevalent and certainly easy to find and enjoyable to watch, are made for the audience, which, almost certainly isn't my target audience of female dominants. So, scratch that avenue of possible research! :)

I am surprised that my googling to see what the net had to say about female dominance came up with all the wrong answers also. For example, I won't even begin to go into what seems so very odd about a Mystress World style dominance, as I am cognizant of the eccentricities in her approach. But, I certainly had thought that there would be some female-sponsored sites which did give insight.

I tried a site which purported to be for men wanting to reach female dominants, but all it did was send me mail that I couldn't even respond to - without paying a fee - which made me think scam from the start.

I will continue to try to learn what female dominance means, and, of course, if I find someone who will show me, that would be best (but it's a long shot, and that quest is best left for the personals anyway). So what I'll do is advertise on craigslist for a woman to show me the ropes, and, I'll head off to a local munch and ask there (but I'm sure it will be an odd request), and, I'll continue to try to find a good resource on the net.

Here are some I'm hoping are somewhat closer to reality.
1. Elise Sutton's site dedicated to Female Domination and male submission within loving and caring relationships
2. Mistress Scarlett's real life blog of female domination
3. And, maybe Collars N Cuffs forum site

I doubt I'm actually going about this the right way, so, please let me know of better resources for figuring this all out, given that I the conundrum is not so much to figure out what it is, but to figure out what it is and where I fit into the picture (if anywhere).


People that create web sites or write books, are trying to make money, therefore it must be profitable to make the effort. There aren't a lot of people that have the time and the money to put out good information about themselves or a group they might fit into if it will mean a constant drain upon them. So those you find online are most likely making money and personally... I believe they are catering to the kinky male that lives in this fantasy world and wouldn't be functional with a dominant woman, not making money on being a dominant. Men flock to these sites and books not to learn about dominant women, but to get their kink on. They are not interested in the reality of it. They won't spend money on the truth.. but they will spend hundreds or thousands for the kink.

Throughout the years, I used my journal to dispel some things, so that submissive men could see another view. I rarely do the in-depth stuff anymore because really... other than those that watch my journal and have for years.. who already get it... it is taking time from what I need to do to support myself. I can also run off a kinky player faster than anyone I personally know. I am one scary broad to so many scardy cats.

If you truly wish to know the truth... you will stop seeking in the same manner you have. You will think about women as more than a sexy, sexual being there to please your kinky needs when and where you want it... with no strings or attachments and placing a woman basically at your kinky feet, to provide what you want, while you call it service. Even after we told you a bit, you continued with an online search and came up with similar bs to the article you posted here and still don't see the signs that indicate you are dealing with kinky money makers rather than simply dominant women. (Yes, I did go to the site and I know of Elise.. so didn't need to go there.)

If you cannot give more than what you offer on your profile, then you cannot expect someone to invest a lot of time with you... because your root interest is off when it comes to a dominant woman not in it for the money, even if she isn't in it for a relationship. It would only work with those things you are subjecting yourself to... and paying for it if you aren't offering a bit more yourself. If you ever really want to get serious about this... you will stop repeating the same patterns. You are of an age, where you can see the similarities between all the things you have been reading. We have told you different things than these sites, including the ones you just posted. There is a disconnect, but as long as you only wish to give minor bit parts in role play... don't expect a dominant woman to be out there wasting her money for a web site that talks about dominant women or teaching you in person. You are either in or out. Your choice.

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RE: What is female dominance? - 2/12/2014 9:40:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: asanaambitions

Rawni, please oh please write that book! Or many books! I've been turning ideas over in my head for a more realistic portrayal of what female led relationships are like, but at the end of the day I'm just not really a writer (much to my chargrin). I am however an excellent editor and would be thrilled if you wanted a second pair of eyes to go over anything that you end up doing. I'm also looking for contributions to my new blog that's supposed to be geared towards helping submissive men understand the reality of female led relationships (maybe I'll go start a new thread about that...).


Don't think I haven't thought about it and more seriously since this thread. I think a number of things have hit me recently and I do have to consider it.. but right off... that is something I would wish to run fast from! lol I am working on a book about men behaving badly online (Not the title) as that is more an experience type thing rather than speaking from an authoritative place and I do believe a book on dominant women would be more authoritative in a sense. I am not an expert on anything, but who and what I am. lol

Now... with checks and balances, I might consider it, but that checks and balances in part would have to include other dominant women and that can get messy when it comes to royalties. There would be a lot of effort into such a project and I am just not sure there is a market for it, making it worth the time involved. I agree, it would be wonderful to have out there and I am thinking about things... just at this point I want to run screaming... no, not me!

However, we may need to talk! lol

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RE: What is female dominance? - 2/12/2014 11:38:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SylvereApLeanan

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ORIGINAL: Subonico

What's especially vexing is for me to figure out where I fit into the equation.

I was hoping for better resources on the net, so that I could figure that out myself, without having to resort to asking questions about every little thing.


Oh, for fuck's sake...

I took a peek at your profile, just to see what's there and maybe offer you some helpful suggestions. What I found is a married man who is looking for a female top to help him cheat on his wife. Dude, just go find a pro dominatrix. Better yet, hire an escort who is willing to tie you up and spank you with your belt. You're not that far from San Francisco, so it shouldn't be difficult. You are the sort of man they were made for because you aren't looking for a relationship. You're looking for someone who is content to be your dirty little secret. No dominant woman in her right mind is going to be interested in being your kinky piece on the side. You don't need CollarMe, you need AshleyMadison.

You want to know "where you fit" in the kinky equation? You fit in the space made for cheaters and liars and that is where you will stay until you not only have your wife's permission to seek playmates outside your marriage, but also until she gives her blessing, in person, to any woman who might be willing to engage in an open relationship with you. Until both of those conditions are met, you'll need to get comfortable with opening your wallet and paying for a woman's time and attention to fulfill your kinks on the down-low.



Since the last thread that discussed cheating had to be closed, even after multiple mod warnings, I will point out that this post is ok because it does not directly attack the poster. Anything harsher than this will likely not be ok. If you have any questions, please CMail me, and do not respond on this thread.

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RE: What is female dominance? - 2/12/2014 12:31:20 PM   
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I looked over the article and looked over the responses. (I admit to skimming.) The problem that I have with it is that your article focuses entirely too much on the acts of BDSM, (i.e., topping and bottoming) rather than the question of what Dominance is for women. Very little about actually being the leader of a relationship. No, you're not going to find a lot of that when it comes to what sells and grabs attention. It's very much the same as why porn sells because of sex and money shots as opposed to two people sitting down to have a conversation about their relationship or walk their dog.

It's not that female Dominance doesn't include sex or BDSM. It's just that it's not the major factor of it. Did you get married for sex or did you get married for everything that the woman is/was in your life? Same thing. That's not going to sell porn, either.

While I think Syl's suggestion is a good one in your case, OP, that's going to show you what sessions are like and not particularly Dominance from a relationship angle. It's going to be more of the BDSM part, which is something that you do in an hour or two but isn't necessarily what it's like to live that way. The pro isn't necessarily going to care what your wife thinks about it, either, where most Dommes who don't do pay for play will.

You didn't ask but I'm going to suggest that you talk to your wife about all of this, if you haven't already. I feel bad for even agreeing with the recommendation to send you to a pro thinking that she doesn't know what you'd be spending the money on.


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RE: What is female dominance? - 2/12/2014 1:14:33 PM   
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Female dominance is exactly what the female dominant decides it is, quite simple, really.

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RE: What is female dominance? - 2/12/2014 3:40:21 PM   
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Since there are always going to be those who can't see the forest for the trees, tweaking is in order:

quote: ORIGINAL: FieryOpal

What men don't always understand is that it's not about the sex[ual relations we have together. If you are not attuned to satisfying our non-sexual needs by making them a priority in your life, your getting off is not going to be a priority in ours, kink or no kink.] Well, it is to a lesser extent. Sex is still important. Sex with a man who doesn't know how to act like or no longer acts like a devoted lover leaves most of us cold in the intimacy dept. He could be a good lover but a lousy partner and an awful companion, so being a good lover might extend your expiration date, but it isn't enough.

- Not wanting to be told what to do Preferring to tell another/others what to do, finding it natural to take charge of another/others and to take control of situations in their lives, very selective in whose authority they choose to defer to. [On occasion, not in a private power exchange of accepting another's total and/or absolute authority] (In a civilized society or organized unit, there is little to no choice but to accept certain kinds of vertical and/or structural authority and its associated chains of command. In fact, this is an integral part of one's learning process on how to manage authority responsibly.)

- Quietly commanding respect. (The loudest ones are often not the most dominant. A *true* Dominant does not have to literally nor figuratively beat others into submission or act overly demanding and over-inflated because she is confident and self-assured in her dominance. She does not need to clamour for attention.) [... by being deferred to and having one's authority recognized, acknowledged, and under ideal circumstances, valued and sought after]

- Independence of action. Independent thinkers. Not joiners. Does not want to be dominated by others. Does not let others unduly influence her. She is intrepid and can hold her own. Non-Dominant women can do this for periods or stretches of time but not as a chosen lifestyle.

- Might practice manipulation early in life to get their way, hopefully outgrowing this tendency with maturity by acquiring the power of persuasion instead. This can apply to anybody in terms of employing manipulation tactics. Dominant charisma, however, is an ineffable quality which casts a spell over her submissive much like personal magnetism. This isn't to say a submissive cannot possess charisma of his/her own, but a submissive is either drawn to the power of a Dominant's magnetism or else repelled by it, or by the lack thereof.

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RE: What is female dominance? - 2/12/2014 4:54:51 PM   
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I still wish to know, what exactly it is that you know about the femdom experience or that of the male submissive.


I want to know why that has anything to do with my observation the offered description for female doms fit great submissives and also most women therefore the offered description did not best define femdom, logically.

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RE: What is female dominance? - 2/12/2014 5:03:53 PM   
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Independence of action. Independent thinkers. Not joiners


But many strong women are submissives who a fully capable of independent actions and are not joiners. Most traits except role reversal are common to all women. I'm afraid role reversal is all we have left to distinguish femdoms from femsubs. They are all intelligent, self directed and not necessarily a joiner although joining is not a bad thing and not role centered and submissives don't submit except to those who seem to warrant that expression of a specific woman's passion.

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RE: What is female dominance? - 2/12/2014 5:19:34 PM   
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Please quote the entirely of this line instead of doing a partial quote, as follows:

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ORIGINAL: FieryOpal

- Independence of action. Independent thinkers. Not joiners. Does not want to be dominated by others. Does not let others unduly influence her. She is intrepid and can hold her own. Non-Dominant women can do this for periods or stretches of time but not as a chosen lifestyle.

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ORIGINAL: Arturas

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Independence of action. Independent thinkers. Not joiners


But many strong women are submissives who a fully capable of independent actions and are not joiners. Most traits except role reversal are common to all women. I'm afraid role reversal is all we have left to distinguish femdoms from femsubs. They are all intelligent, self directed and not necessarily a joiner although joining is not a bad thing and not role centered and submissives don't submit except to those who seem to warrant that expression of a specific woman's passion.


Also, your keeping on topic would be appreciated instead of attempting to derail this thread, like you did with that other one.

Dominant traits are commonly shared by BOTH females and males. Your reference to "role reversal" intimates that we are playing roles. This is not about "playing" the Dominant like in some Gorean novel series. This is about real life.

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RE: What is female dominance? - 2/12/2014 5:20:53 PM   
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Arturas - sorry, I realise it's not entirely germane to the thread - but are you related to the bloke who played The Cowardly Lion in The Wizard of Oz?

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RE: What is female dominance? - 2/15/2014 5:42:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: FieryOpal

Please quote the entirely of this line instead of doing a partial quote, as follows:

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ORIGINAL: FieryOpal

- Independence of action. Independent thinkers. Not joiners. Does not want to be dominated by others. Does not let others unduly influence her. She is intrepid and can hold her own. Non-Dominant women can do this for periods or stretches of time but not as a chosen lifestyle.

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ORIGINAL: Arturas

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Independence of action. Independent thinkers. Not joiners


But many strong women are submissives who a fully capable of independent actions and are not joiners. Most traits except role reversal are common to all women. I'm afraid role reversal is all we have left to distinguish femdoms from femsubs. They are all intelligent, self directed and not necessarily a joiner although joining is not a bad thing and not role centered and submissives don't submit except to those who seem to warrant that expression of a specific woman's passion.


Also, your keeping on topic would be appreciated instead of attempting to derail this thread, like you did with that other one.

Dominant traits are commonly shared by BOTH females and males. Your reference to "role reversal" intimates that we are playing roles. This is not about "playing" the Dominant like in some Gorean novel series. This is about real life.



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- Independence of action. Independent thinkers. Not joiners. Does not want to be dominated by others. Does not let others unduly influence her. She is intrepid and can hold her own. Non-Dominant women can do this for periods or stretches of time but not as a chosen lifestyle.


Very well. But it does not make a difference. Both male and female submissive and doms having these attributes is certainly known to all. So having a valid observation and suggesting I cannot agree with your post does not suggest I am "derailing" a thread.


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Also, your keeping on topic would be appreciated instead of attempting to derail this thread, like you did with that other one


I am discussing female dominance. You are discussing me. Who is on topic and who is not?

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RE: What is female dominance? - 2/15/2014 5:51:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

Arturas - sorry, I realise it's not entirely germane to the thread - but are you related to the bloke who played The Cowardly Lion in The Wizard of Oz?



You mean the one who had courage and was actually the king of the jungle, as the story went? I am discussing female dominance but you the dominance of a Lion among those who think they are clever wizards in this OZ only and who hide behind a curtain of insults and innuendo?

Is your post really what one should consider a derailment? Only in Oz apparently.

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RE: What is female dominance? - 2/15/2014 6:04:22 AM   
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Dominant traits are commonly shared by BOTH females and males. Your reference to "role reversal" intimates that we are playing roles.


First, "intimates" refers to women's wear as purchased in the women's underwear department of any store.

I think roles are natural and not "played" unless they are temporary so a "role reversal" does not naturally imply one is "playing" to me unless it is temporary. Is your role reversal only temporary or permanent?

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RE: What is female dominance? - 2/15/2014 6:12:06 AM   
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Also, your keeping on topic would be appreciated instead of attempting to derail this thread, like you did with that other one


Back on that, I was actually pointing out some truths that you and a few others did not want to hear and you and a few others "derailed" the thread by attacking me personally for that position. The only choice I have is to remain quiet or to respond which then causes a Mod to have to jump in and remove the "back and forth". So, if I respond or not depends on my mood that day and if I have time to waste on that sort of thing. I've been here since 2005 and have seen it all, clever girl.

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