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RE: What is female dominance? - 2/15/2014 6:30:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Arturas

I am discussing female dominance. You are discussing me. Who is on topic and who is not?

No actually you're not. But if you would like to take this thread and drift it over onto the topic of female submission, then perhaps you should start your own thread and can expound on the virtues of submissive qualities in women.

You do the OP a disservice by negating his priority, which is to better understand female dominance. Should you care to impart any of your knowledge in this area, or lack thereof, it might prove to be a valuable contribution.

FYI, rather than spam this thread with multiple replies, I am a 52-year-old woman, not a girl. Are you now going to resort to hurling insults on the Ask the Mistress forum? Shabby conduct coming from a Dom.

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RE: What is female dominance? - 2/15/2014 8:17:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: FieryOpal

FYI, rather than spam this thread with multiple replies, I am a 52-year-old woman, not a girl. Are you now going to resort to hurling insults on the Ask the Mistress forum? Shabby conduct coming from a Dom.



Do not tempt me to find an old thread, both of my hands are curled up in fists (pun intended)

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RE: What is female dominance? - 2/15/2014 4:07:27 PM   
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Independence of action. Independent thinkers. Not joiners


But many strong women are submissives who a fully capable of independent actions and are not joiners. Most traits except role reversal are common to all women. I'm afraid role reversal is all we have left to distinguish femdoms from femsubs. They are all intelligent, self directed and not necessarily a joiner although joining is not a bad thing and not role centered and submissives don't submit except to those who seem to warrant that expression of a specific woman's passion.


Arturas, I've noticed that many strong men are submissives who are strong, too. I do wonder: did you find it easy to reverse your essentially and naturally submissive male-nature to become a dominant male? Or was it, in fact, a difficult journey for you to reverse your natural role so as to become the dominant male that your partner demanded?

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RE: What is female dominance? - 2/22/2014 1:24:58 AM   
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FYI, rather than spam this thread with multiple replies, I am a 52-year-old woman, not a girl. Are you now going to resort to hurling insults on the Ask the Mistress forum?


Do you define yourself by your age or how you act?

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RE: What is female dominance? - 2/22/2014 1:29:53 AM   
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I do wonder: did you find it easy to reverse your essentially and naturally submissive male-nature to become a dominant male? Or was it, in fact, a difficult journey for you to reverse your natural role so as to become the dominant male that your partner demanded?


Do you find it easier to hijack a thread rather than face reality?

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RE: What is female dominance? - 2/22/2014 1:39:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer


quote:

ORIGINAL: Arturas

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Independence of action. Independent thinkers. Not joiners


But many strong women are submissives who a fully capable of independent actions and are not joiners. Most traits except role reversal are common to all women. I'm afraid role reversal is all we have left to distinguish femdoms from femsubs. They are all intelligent, self directed and not necessarily a joiner although joining is not a bad thing and not role centered and submissives don't submit except to those who seem to warrant that expression of a specific woman's passion.


Arturas, I've noticed that many strong men are submissives who are strong, too.


No doubt true, just as there are submissive women who are strong. Strength does not denote dominance or submissiveness as you point out. This supports my observation that only role reversal is the single 100 percent difference between submissive woman and domme.
This is predicated on the accepted fact the vast majority of women are submissive more that the other and therefore this supports the assumption women's natural role is just that. Or it does not. If you disagree then you are free to do so but if you want to support that with anything more than being insulting then man up and do so.

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RE: What is female dominance? - 2/22/2014 2:16:16 AM   
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The more articulate amonst us are aware of the use of "intimate" as a verb. Be careful about attempting to offer up grammar lessons, you might be unconsciously intimating that you are both pompous and stupid.

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RE: What is female dominance? - 2/22/2014 2:38:28 AM   
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Do you define yourself by your age or how you act?

Ah, the irony.

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RE: What is female dominance? - 2/22/2014 2:56:20 AM   
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...This supports my observation that only role reversal is the single 100 percent difference between submissive woman and domme.

I'm not quite sure where role reversal fits with what OP is asking - ie, female dominance.
As usual Arty, you are derailing the thread with your own inferences and irrelevant conjecture.

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ORIGINAL: Arturas
This is predicated on the accepted fact the vast majority of women are submissive more that the other and therefore this supports the assumption women's natural role is just that.

If you look outside and into real life instead of your own inner circle and dynamic, you'll probably discover this isn't so.
And I don't subscribe to the idea that women are "naturally" submissive.
But if that's the way your narrow PoV sees things, that's your problem and not the real world.

I'll give you just one simple example: The corner shop. Sure, most men are at the forefront, looking and behaving all domly-dom and stuff by making the woman look subservient by serving at the counter.
But it's usually all up-front show. Look behind the scenes - and yes, since having a wholsesale account and now shopping in a wholesalers instead of supermarkets, it opened my eyes!!
In the supermarket, who do you usually see doing the shopping and making the decisions on what and how much to buy?? The women!
In the wholesalers, who handles the money and decides what to stock the shop with?? The women!!
In many businesses, who holds a lot of the middle-management power and does the organising?? The women!! The only reason many women don't make it to the echelons of the boardroom and CEO positions is the male stronghold in a typical male-run society.

Many women actually "run" today's corporations - the men are just the mouthpiece.
And just like a typical male dominated society, when the shit hits the fan the women are usually the scapegoats.
And just like the old addage "behind every good man is a good woman".

Sorry Arty, women are far more dominant than you like to give credence to.


Now back on topic....
To the OP: Both Rawni and Sylvere gave a pretty good idea of what female dominance actually is, in posts #2 and #3.
Proper female dominance, as opposed to a fin/prodom, is just a female taking charge of the decisions for the most part.
It really is as simple as that.
What the BDSM scene does is to amplify that situation and extend it into the bedroom.
What you need to do is step away from the typical male-driven porn.

Just simply look up the definition of "Dominance" in a dictionary -
Mirriam Webster
Main Entry: dominance
Function:noun.
Date:1819

1 : the fact or state of being dominant: as
a : dominant position especially in a social hierarchy
b : the property of one of a pair of alleles or traits that suppresses expression of the other in the heterozygous condition
c : the influence or control over ecological communities exerted by a dominant

2 : functional asymmetry between a pair of bodily structures (as the right and left hands)


Now just add Male or Female as the one being dominant.
I really don't understand the problem of how OP couldn't find the definition.

ETA: I can't believe that its taken darned near 50 posts to show the OP what this means.


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RE: What is female dominance? - 2/22/2014 3:13:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

quote:

ORIGINAL: Arturas
...This supports my observation that only role reversal is the single 100 percent difference between submissive woman and domme.

I'm not quite sure where role reversal fits with what OP is asking - ie, female dominance.
As usual Arty, you are derailing the thread with your own inferences and irrelevant conjecture.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Arturas
This is predicated on the accepted fact the vast majority of women are submissive more that the other and therefore this supports the assumption women's natural role is just that.

If you look outside and into real life instead of your own inner circle and dynamic, you'll probably discover this isn't so.

I'll give you just one simple example: The corner shop. Sure, most men are at the forefront, looking and behaving all domly-dom and stuff by making the woman look subservient by serving at the counter.
But it's usually all up-front show. Look behind the scenes - and yes, since having a wholsesale account and now shopping in a wholesalers instead of supermarkets, it opened my eyes!!
In the supermarket, who do you usually see doing the shopping and making the decisions on what and how much to buy?? The women!
In the wholesalers, who handles the money and decides what to stock the shop with?? The women!!
In many businesses, who holds a lot of the middle-management power and does the organising?? The women!! The only reason many women don't make it to the echelons of the boardroom and CEO positions is the male stronghold in a typical male-run society.

Many women actually "run" today's corporations - the men are just the mouthpiece.
And just like a typical male dominated society, when the shit hits the fan the women are usually the scapegoats.
And just like the old addage "behind every good man is a good woman".

Sorry Arty, women are far more dominant than you like to give credence to.

Now back on topic....
To the OP: Both Rawni and Sylvere gave a pretty good idea of what female dominance actually is, in posts #2 and #3.
Proper female dominance, as opposed to a fem/prodom, is just a female taking charge of the decisions for the most part.
It really is as simple as that.
What the BDSM scene does is to amplify that situation and extend it into the bedroom.
What you need to do is step away from the typical male-driven porn.

Just simply look up the definition of "Dominance" in a dictionary -
Mirriam Webster
Main Entry: dominance
Function:noun.
Date:1819

1 : the fact or state of being dominant: as
a : dominant position especially in a social hierarchy
b : the property of one of a pair of alleles or traits that suppresses expression of the other in the heterozygous condition
c : the influence or control over ecological communities exerted by a dominant

2 : functional asymmetry between a pair of bodily structures (as the right and left hands)

Now just add Male or Female as the one being dominant.
I really don't understand the problem of how OP couldn't find the definition.

Don't women still control about 60% of all worldwide assets? (Or is that just in the U.S.?) The whys and wherefores are irrelevant how that came to be.

Another tidbit, the front man in charge isn't always the one in control. CEOs have Boards of Directors or Trustees to answer to and can get canned in the blink of an eye. Just saying.

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RE: What is female dominance? - 2/22/2014 3:18:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: FieryOpal
Don't women still control about 60% of all worldwide assets? (Or is that just in the U.S.?) The whys and wherefores are irrelevant how that came to be.

Another tidbit, the front man in charge isn't always the one in control. CEOs have Boards of Directors or Trustees to answer to and can get canned in the blink of an eye. Just saying.

Which is why I had a pop at Arty.
As usual, he only sees things through his own narrow confines and tries to think it's how the real world is.

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RE: What is female dominance? - 2/22/2014 3:43:04 AM   
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Nice post.

Welcome to the discussion side, LadyA.

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RE: What is female dominance? - 2/22/2014 7:32:21 AM   
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It's when the person who's dominant in a relationship or dynamic, is female.


For an answer to the question, 'What is dominance?,' you can either go the way of debating ideals of 'true' dominance, or you can just accept the dictionary definitions.

If the person being dominated is conscious of being dominated and likes it, then it's probably BDSM.

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RE: What is female dominance? - 2/22/2014 8:40:53 AM   
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I call bullshit on the faux stats including '89% of women' prefer to submit ; although that enormously increases my chances of a date tonight [I always knew we were precious], but we're not *that* rare.
That's from a Swedish mail questionnaire on only 60 people!
We need a more current and thorough study.



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RE: What is female dominance? - 2/22/2014 8:50:56 AM   
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Alrighty then, enough with hijacking this thread with swipes at other posters. Ignore this warning at your peril. If you have any questions, you may email me, but do not reply on this thread.

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RE: What is female dominance? - 2/22/2014 9:22:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Tantriqu

I call bullshit on the faux stats including '89% of women' prefer to submit ; although that enormously increases my chances of a date tonight [I always knew we were precious], but we're not *that* rare.
That's from a Swedish mail questionnaire on only 60 people!
We need a more current and thorough study.





Doesn't strike me as a peer reviewed, comprehensive study somehow... I'd put that study into the same "funny pseudo science" category as somebody claiming "it's a well known fact", when they just made up a ton of BS they can't substantiate.

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RE: What is female dominance? - 2/22/2014 9:53:12 AM   
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Hence the bullshit label, and my disdain for the wiki author, who I bet wasn't female, let alone a Domme!
Kinsey and Masters&Johnson had plenty of flaws in their stats, but at least there were interviews of thousands, and they made an efforts to reflect cross-cultural, education, regional and economic differences.


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RE: What is female dominance? - 2/22/2014 10:02:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Tantriqu

Hence the bullshit label, and my disdain for the wiki author, who I bet wasn't female, let alone a Domme!
Kinsey and Masters&Johnson had plenty of flaws in their stats, but at least there were interviews of thousands, and they made an efforts to reflect cross-cultural, education, regional and economic differences.



It all gets very woolly when you factor in that women may say that they desire to submit because that's what they think their male partners would want in them. And I'd guess that would have been even more something to take into account during the days of e.g. Kinsey and Masters and Johnson.

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