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Texas Sports Anchor Delivers Jaw-Dropping Speech On Gay... - 2/13/2014 9:39:55 AM   
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It was quite a weekend.
That little dust-up in Lubbock Saturday night, and then on Sunday, Missouri's All-American defensive end Michael Sam — the SEC's defensive player of the year and expected to be a third to fifth-round pick in the NFL draft — tells the world he's gay.
The best defensive player in college football's best conference only a third to fifth round NFL pick? Really? That is shocking, and I guess that other thing is, too.
Michael Sam would be the first openly gay player in the NFL; says he knows there will be problems... and they've already started.
Several NFL officials are telling Sports Illustrated it will hurt him on draft day because a gay player wouldn't be welcome in an NFL locker room. It would be uncomfortable, because that's a man's world.
You beat a woman and drag her down a flight of stairs, pulling her hair out by the roots? You're the fourth guy taken in the NFL draft.
You kill people while driving drunk? That guy's welcome.
Players caught in hotel rooms with illegal drugs and prostitutes? We know they're welcome.
Players accused of rape and pay the woman to go away?
You lie to police trying to cover up a murder?
We're comfortable with that.
You love another man? Well, now you've gone too far!
It wasn't that long ago when we were being told that black players couldn't play in "our" games because it would be "uncomfortable." And even when they finally could, it took several more years before a black man played quarterback.
Because we weren't "comfortable" with that, either.
So many of the same people who used to make that argument (and the many who still do) are the same people who say government should stay out of our lives.
But then want government in our bedrooms.
I've never understood how they feel "comfortable" laying claim to both sides of that argument.
I'm not always comfortable when a man tells me he's gay; I don't understand his world.
But I do understand that he's part of mine.
Civil rights activist Audre Lord said: "It is not our differences that divide us. It's our inability to recognize, accept, and celebrate those differences."
We've always been able to recognize 'em. Some of us accept 'em.
And I want to believe that there will be a day when we do celebrate 'em.
I don't know if that day's here yet. I guess we're about to find out.
But when I listen to Michael Sam, I do think it's time to celebrate him now.


Dale Hansen...stand up and take a bow!!!!


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RE: Texas Sports Anchor Delivers Jaw-Dropping Speech On... - 2/13/2014 10:14:26 AM   
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I can't see what the fuss is about: surely they're all gayboys?
Nobody else would need to wear body armour and stop for a rest every ten minutes while playing a game of Australian rules football, after all...


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RE: Texas Sports Anchor Delivers Jaw-Dropping Speech On... - 2/13/2014 10:17:02 AM   
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you are a bad bad very bad man!!!!


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RE: Texas Sports Anchor Delivers Jaw-Dropping Speech On... - 2/13/2014 10:17:45 AM   
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http://www.wfaa.com/sports/dale-hansen/Dale-Hansen-Unplugged--244822291.html

It was quite a weekend.
That little dust-up in Lubbock Saturday night, and then on Sunday, Missouri's All-American defensive end Michael Sam — the SEC's defensive player of the year and expected to be a third to fifth-round pick in the NFL draft — tells the world he's gay.
The best defensive player in college football's best conference only a third to fifth round NFL pick? Really? That is shocking, and I guess that other thing is, too.
Michael Sam would be the first openly gay player in the NFL; says he knows there will be problems... and they've already started.
Several NFL officials are telling Sports Illustrated it will hurt him on draft day because a gay player wouldn't be welcome in an NFL locker room. It would be uncomfortable, because that's a man's world.
You beat a woman and drag her down a flight of stairs, pulling her hair out by the roots? You're the fourth guy taken in the NFL draft.
You kill people while driving drunk? That guy's welcome.
Players caught in hotel rooms with illegal drugs and prostitutes? We know they're welcome.
Players accused of rape and pay the woman to go away?
You lie to police trying to cover up a murder?
We're comfortable with that.
You love another man? Well, now you've gone too far!
It wasn't that long ago when we were being told that black players couldn't play in "our" games because it would be "uncomfortable." And even when they finally could, it took several more years before a black man played quarterback.
Because we weren't "comfortable" with that, either.
So many of the same people who used to make that argument (and the many who still do) are the same people who say government should stay out of our lives.
But then want government in our bedrooms.
I've never understood how they feel "comfortable" laying claim to both sides of that argument.
I'm not always comfortable when a man tells me he's gay; I don't understand his world.
But I do understand that he's part of mine.
Civil rights activist Audre Lord said: "It is not our differences that divide us. It's our inability to recognize, accept, and celebrate those differences."
We've always been able to recognize 'em. Some of us accept 'em.
And I want to believe that there will be a day when we do celebrate 'em.
I don't know if that day's here yet. I guess we're about to find out.
But when I listen to Michael Sam, I do think it's time to celebrate him now.


Dale Hansen...stand up and take a bow!!!!



Hear, hear!

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RE: Texas Sports Anchor Delivers Jaw-Dropping Speech On... - 2/13/2014 10:18:36 AM   
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you are a bad bad very bad man!!!!


Maybe, but I ain't wrong.


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RE: Texas Sports Anchor Delivers Jaw-Dropping Speech On... - 2/13/2014 10:47:12 AM   
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I've been fascinated by the variety of folks posting this on Facebook: my Rockefeller Republican brother (who got it from his Ayn-Rand-reading brother-in-law); a straight, liberal friend from church; a straight friend from New Zealand; a gay buddy in San Francisco; wives and moms I used to work with.

Gives me hope.

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RE: Texas Sports Anchor Delivers Jaw-Dropping Speech On... - 2/13/2014 10:59:27 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
http://www.wfaa.com/sports/dale-hansen/Dale-Hansen-Unplugged--244822291.html
It was quite a weekend.
That little dust-up in Lubbock Saturday night, and then on Sunday, Missouri's All-American defensive end Michael Sam — the SEC's defensive player of the year and expected to be a third to fifth-round pick in the NFL draft — tells the world he's gay.
The best defensive player in college football's best conference only a third to fifth round NFL pick? Really? That is shocking, and I guess that other thing is, too.
Michael Sam would be the first openly gay player in the NFL; says he knows there will be problems... and they've already started.
Several NFL officials are telling Sports Illustrated it will hurt him on draft day because a gay player wouldn't be welcome in an NFL locker room. It would be uncomfortable, because that's a man's world.
You beat a woman and drag her down a flight of stairs, pulling her hair out by the roots? You're the fourth guy taken in the NFL draft.
You kill people while driving drunk? That guy's welcome.
Players caught in hotel rooms with illegal drugs and prostitutes? We know they're welcome.
Players accused of rape and pay the woman to go away?
You lie to police trying to cover up a murder?
We're comfortable with that.
You love another man? Well, now you've gone too far!
It wasn't that long ago when we were being told that black players couldn't play in "our" games because it would be "uncomfortable." And even when they finally could, it took several more years before a black man played quarterback.
Because we weren't "comfortable" with that, either.
So many of the same people who used to make that argument (and the many who still do) are the same people who say government should stay out of our lives.
But then want government in our bedrooms.
I've never understood how they feel "comfortable" laying claim to both sides of that argument.
I'm not always comfortable when a man tells me he's gay; I don't understand his world.
But I do understand that he's part of mine.
Civil rights activist Audre Lord said: "It is not our differences that divide us. It's our inability to recognize, accept, and celebrate those differences."
We've always been able to recognize 'em. Some of us accept 'em.
And I want to believe that there will be a day when we do celebrate 'em.
I don't know if that day's here yet. I guess we're about to find out.
But when I listen to Michael Sam, I do think it's time to celebrate him now.
Dale Hansen...stand up and take a bow!!!!


It's pathetic that NFL exec's would think he wouldn't fit in the lockerroom.

It's pathetic that the NFL exec's are probably right. It might make some of his teammates uncomfortable in the lockerroom and/or showers, but, well, these overgrown behemoths might just have to fucking grow up a little.

All the best to Michael Sam.


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RE: Texas Sports Anchor Delivers Jaw-Dropping Speech On... - 2/13/2014 11:15:55 AM   
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How ironic is it that of all State schools to have a gay player come out it would be in the State of Missouri? I wager Missouri is one of the most anti-gay states in the union... Oh how his acceptance among his team members and the press must grate on the nerves of Missouri nutcase legislatures and rightwing religious bigots... I love it.

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RE: Texas Sports Anchor Delivers Jaw-Dropping Speech On... - 2/13/2014 4:40:23 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

http://www.wfaa.com/sports/dale-hansen/Dale-Hansen-Unplugged--244822291.html

It was quite a weekend.
That little dust-up in Lubbock Saturday night, and then on Sunday, Missouri's All-American defensive end Michael Sam — the SEC's defensive player of the year and expected to be a third to fifth-round pick in the NFL draft — tells the world he's gay.
The best defensive player in college football's best conference only a third to fifth round NFL pick? Really? That is shocking, and I guess that other thing is, too.
Michael Sam would be the first openly gay player in the NFL; says he knows there will be problems... and they've already started.
Several NFL officials are telling Sports Illustrated it will hurt him on draft day because a gay player wouldn't be welcome in an NFL locker room. It would be uncomfortable, because that's a man's world.
You beat a woman and drag her down a flight of stairs, pulling her hair out by the roots? You're the fourth guy taken in the NFL draft.
You kill people while driving drunk? That guy's welcome.
Players caught in hotel rooms with illegal drugs and prostitutes? We know they're welcome.
Players accused of rape and pay the woman to go away?
You lie to police trying to cover up a murder?
We're comfortable with that.
You love another man? Well, now you've gone too far!
It wasn't that long ago when we were being told that black players couldn't play in "our" games because it would be "uncomfortable." And even when they finally could, it took several more years before a black man played quarterback.
Because we weren't "comfortable" with that, either.
So many of the same people who used to make that argument (and the many who still do) are the same people who say government should stay out of our lives.
But then want government in our bedrooms.
I've never understood how they feel "comfortable" laying claim to both sides of that argument.
I'm not always comfortable when a man tells me he's gay; I don't understand his world.
But I do understand that he's part of mine.
Civil rights activist Audre Lord said: "It is not our differences that divide us. It's our inability to recognize, accept, and celebrate those differences."
We've always been able to recognize 'em. Some of us accept 'em.
And I want to believe that there will be a day when we do celebrate 'em.
I don't know if that day's here yet. I guess we're about to find out.
But when I listen to Michael Sam, I do think it's time to celebrate him now.


Dale Hansen...stand up and take a bow!!!!



There's at least 3 other NFL guys who have outed themselves.....what's the big deal?

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RE: Texas Sports Anchor Delivers Jaw-Dropping Speech On... - 2/13/2014 4:58:08 PM   
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I think he is the first while an active player...and certainly the first out before the  NFL draft.  Because he is an all American player of quality where he is drafted, if at all, and how he is accepted will say a lot about  the progress of Gay's in professional sports.

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RE: Texas Sports Anchor Delivers Jaw-Dropping Speech On... - 2/13/2014 5:51:12 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

http://www.wfaa.com/sports/dale-hansen/Dale-Hansen-Unplugged--244822291.html

It was quite a weekend.
That little dust-up in Lubbock Saturday night, and then on Sunday, Missouri's All-American defensive end Michael Sam — the SEC's defensive player of the year and expected to be a third to fifth-round pick in the NFL draft — tells the world he's gay.
The best defensive player in college football's best conference only a third to fifth round NFL pick? Really? That is shocking, and I guess that other thing is, too.
Michael Sam would be the first openly gay player in the NFL; says he knows there will be problems... and they've already started.
Several NFL officials are telling Sports Illustrated it will hurt him on draft day because a gay player wouldn't be welcome in an NFL locker room. It would be uncomfortable, because that's a man's world.
You beat a woman and drag her down a flight of stairs, pulling her hair out by the roots? You're the fourth guy taken in the NFL draft.
You kill people while driving drunk? That guy's welcome.
Players caught in hotel rooms with illegal drugs and prostitutes? We know they're welcome.
Players accused of rape and pay the woman to go away?
You lie to police trying to cover up a murder?
We're comfortable with that.
You love another man? Well, now you've gone too far!
It wasn't that long ago when we were being told that black players couldn't play in "our" games because it would be "uncomfortable." And even when they finally could, it took several more years before a black man played quarterback.
Because we weren't "comfortable" with that, either.
So many of the same people who used to make that argument (and the many who still do) are the same people who say government should stay out of our lives.
But then want government in our bedrooms.
I've never understood how they feel "comfortable" laying claim to both sides of that argument.
I'm not always comfortable when a man tells me he's gay; I don't understand his world.
But I do understand that he's part of mine.
Civil rights activist Audre Lord said: "It is not our differences that divide us. It's our inability to recognize, accept, and celebrate those differences."
We've always been able to recognize 'em. Some of us accept 'em.
And I want to believe that there will be a day when we do celebrate 'em.
I don't know if that day's here yet. I guess we're about to find out.
But when I listen to Michael Sam, I do think it's time to celebrate him now.


Dale Hansen...stand up and take a bow!!!!



Spot on!

My friends on FB have been sharing this a lot.




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RE: Texas Sports Anchor Delivers Jaw-Dropping Speech On... - 2/13/2014 6:13:10 PM   
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This whole incident reminds me of a threat I read over on fetlife about gays in the military. This is one of the very few times that someone posted claiming to be a special forces guy and I found it utterly believable. His perspective on "gays in the military"??

"We have a gay guy in our unit. He's big. He's mean. He kills lots of bad guys. We like him."

I might think that pro football players are not that different. These are people who are passionate about WINNING. They clearly have focus. I gotta believe it's mostly the second raters and hangers on (coaches and commentators and whatnot) who have time for the hand-wringing.

Oh, and +1 for moonhead's answer LOL.

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RE: Texas Sports Anchor Delivers Jaw-Dropping Speech On... - 2/13/2014 6:33:58 PM   
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Jeff I am going to put my foot in mouth... The NFL is made up of a majority of African Americans. I think it is safe to say that African Americans as a whole have a different perspective on homosexuality than say whites. Hispanics also have a less than liberal acceptance of homosexuality but have a smaller representation in the NFL.

I think it will be hard for Sam to be accepted outright in the NFL... He will have to be a little like Jackie Robertson. This means he will have to be a great athlete and have that special personality that can put up with snide remarks. Otherwise he will have it tougher than any other player and be willing to be an example for all gay players in the future if they want to come out in sports. That is a tall order for a young man.

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RE: Texas Sports Anchor Delivers Jaw-Dropping Speech On... - 2/13/2014 6:45:43 PM   
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Most of Sams coaches and teammates already knew he was gay. If he can play in the NFL, he will be accepted. I say not a big deal.

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RE: Texas Sports Anchor Delivers Jaw-Dropping Speech On... - 2/13/2014 6:59:29 PM   
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I have been a listener and call-in participant in a sports talk radio show for many years. Someone brought something up and I will try to quote him as closely as possible:

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Radio Call-in

I'm not a lawyer but I have loads of friends who are so, I have no expertise but I know people who do.

A couple of my friends have suggested that this is a "master stroke" for Sam and his "people".

Any team that picks him in the draft is automatically under major scrutiny.

Before his announcement, people in the know were saying that he was going to go in the third to fifth round. Not high but not low.

If he turns out to be a bust, he and his people can claim that he was let go because he was gay.



Personally, I chose to see the good or the potential to be good in people but, this gives a different perspective of why some GMs might not want to draft this guy.

I wish it weren't like this but we've become such a litigious society that any business has to factor this into the equation.





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RE: Texas Sports Anchor Delivers Jaw-Dropping Speech On... - 2/13/2014 8:37:39 PM   
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Jeff I am going to put my foot in mouth... The NFL is made up of a majority of African Americans. I think it is safe to say that African Americans as a whole have a different perspective on homosexuality than say whites. Hispanics also have a less than liberal acceptance of homosexuality but have a smaller representation in the NFL.

While i don't claim to be very knowledgeable about football culture I couldn't dispute your point about African Americans and homosexuality. If you're right I have to admit I find it rather pathetic. I remain of the opinion that top competitors shouldn't have time for anything other than winning. I'm automatically going to lose respect for those who do. If nothing else, they lack focus.

That being said, yeah, tall order for a young man and I applaud him.

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RE: Texas Sports Anchor Delivers Jaw-Dropping Speech On... - 2/13/2014 9:29:20 PM   
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Most of Sams coaches and teammates already knew he was gay. If he can play in the NFL, he will be accepted. I say not a big deal.



If not for the fact that he`s the best......he may never have come out PUBLICLY....



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RE: Texas Sports Anchor Delivers Jaw-Dropping Speech On... - 2/14/2014 5:21:30 AM   
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It's pathetic that NFL exec's would think he wouldn't fit in the lockerroom.

It's pathetic that the NFL exec's are probably right. It might make some of his teammates uncomfortable in the lockerroom and/or showers, but, well, these overgrown behemoths might just have to fucking grow up a little.

All the best to Michael Sam.



As an incurable geek most of my life, there are some things about the locker room mentality which always sort of baffled me anyway. I remember it when I was in school. It was supposedly a sign of maturity to get naked in front of other guys and take showers with them - but only as long as none of them are gay. (I understand that's no longer required in school, with the shower rooms completely shut down in many schools.)

Why don't they just give them their own private dressing rooms, just like other celebrities and actors might get? If the whole issue is about the locker rooms and common showers, then that seems to be something which is falling by the wayside anyway.

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RE: Texas Sports Anchor Delivers Jaw-Dropping Speech On... - 2/14/2014 12:08:42 PM   
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But where can they form a daisy chain without the communal showers and locker rooms?

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RE: Texas Sports Anchor Delivers Jaw-Dropping Speech On... - 2/15/2014 6:19:40 PM   
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Not only will he say he wasn't drafted higher because he is gay, he will claim his signing bonus was reduced because of his sexuality, he didn't make the team because he is gay, he was released because he is gay, he wasn't re-signed because he he is gay.... yada yada yada.

Any team that signs him is run by a fool; he has made his sexuality an issue and will sue them to death ovee it.

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