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Through the looking glass - 2/13/2014 12:45:23 PM   
ExiledTyrant


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I've found, after many years, that one of the scariest things people can face is the mirror. Often people become insecure, indignant, angry, and/or hostile when faced with the inequities of their reflection. In others words, actions, or deeds people see the person, facet of self, that they know they should be, but are too resistant or too self absorbed to allow themselves to transcend over into "that" better way, person, etc... and are angered, disgusted, or hell bent on undermining, tearing down, or brow beating this person into not being better. To maneuver the person that holds the mirror up to them, to be less, to be inferior, to resign themselves to being not shiny, just dull and unassuming.

It takes a great deal of courage to do what is right, and it takes colossal will to do what is right in face of opposition of your peers. In the lifestyle I see oceans of strength on the /s side of the kneel that imbalances the weak self indulgence of the D side. Over the years I've seen countless boys and girls with indomitable strength to serve. Our D's are not without merit. We have some truly "shiny" D's here, as well as others in the past.

Nevertheless, we have more than our fair share of murky muddy D's and /s's alike. I'm not complaining, relentless prick D's jus polish me to a higher gloss. What aggravates me, is when the muddy murky D's start vomiting their misguided puke all over this side and the other side driving away, in fear and revulsion, potentially good boys and girls. Then we have the gaggle of muddy murky /s's that have aimed low, achieved the relationship with the bottom feeding mud fish D, and antagonize any /s that has the audacity to reach directly for what they are looking for, fearful that they will get it.

Again, we have some very illustrious D's and /s's that do shine brightly, but what confounds me is the anger some feel at the reflection of their faults. It seems to me, that if it is so apparent thou art lacking, why not step through the looking glass and evolve?

We've had some very provocative threads, good and bad. Bad in the sense that they show us just how ugly the reflection can be. Yet, for many of us we shake our heads a bit stymied, because the ugly we are seeing, just isn't in our realm of understanding. But, as a mostly good and strong community, many dive in and offer a nudge through the looking glass so that we can help the writhing monstrosity become enlightened, grow, and perhaps find their happy.

Conversely, too often I see the hideous creature reflected in the mirror attack the credibility of a "shiny" persons sincerity, truth, and candor, because their truth is an ugly truth to you. Makes me wonder, whatever happened to "stop, breathe, count to three"? Because the new "knee jerk, attack, bully, demean" system is just fucked up in 50 different ways.

Jus sayin
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RE: Through the looking glass - 2/13/2014 1:19:31 PM   
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Conversely, too often I see the hideous creature reflected in the mirror attack the credibility of a "shiny" persons sincerity, truth, and candor, because their truth is an ugly truth to you. Makes me wonder, whatever happened to "stop, breathe, count to three"? Because the new "knee jerk, attack, bully, demean" system is just fucked up in 50 different ways.

I've pretty much come to the conclusion that most people (perhaps almost all of them) have a very, very difficult time understanding that other people are not the same as them. They don't get how there can be fundamentally different world views in play. In short, humans lack the ability to actually empathize with other humans. I doubt this is a new phenomenon. I suspect it is pretty deeply wired into our biology and is highlighted by the far-flung pseudo-communities that things like the internet create.

For what it's worth I'm pretty much the perennial outsider from a BDSM standpoint. If BDSM were actually a community (think small village) I'd be a frequent visitor not a local. Yet I haven't found myself "attacked, bullied, or demeaned". Usually when people have done so it was unintentional -- back to my village example -- more of a cultural gap than an intention of ugliness.

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RE: Through the looking glass - 2/13/2014 1:26:06 PM   
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Some days, I be presentable and some days I might not be. I will keep looking into that mirror and hope for the one day, I might be... beautiful in many ways, more consistently.

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RE: Through the looking glass - 2/13/2014 1:34:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Rawni

*Goes to look in my mirror... hummm. I might be... beautiful in many ways, more consistently.

Thank you Exiled!


I'm not sure the male species could survive it, babe ;) we call your off days "survive and brace for tomorrow days".

Jus sayin
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RE: Through the looking glass - 2/13/2014 4:19:07 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ExiledTyrant
It takes a great deal of courage to do what is right, and it takes colossal will to do what is right in face of opposition of your peers. In the lifestyle I see oceans of strength on the /s side of the kneel that imbalances the weak self indulgence of the D side. Over the years I've seen countless boys and girls with indomitable strength to serve. Our D's are not without merit. We have some truly "shiny" D's here, as well as others in the past.

I'm not going to throw Myself in one category or the other, be it shiny or dull. I'd probably pitch a few names besides My own for that shiny department. I'll just take My chances.

quote:

Nevertheless, we have more than our fair share of murky muddy D's and /s's alike. I'm not complaining, relentless prick D's jus polish me to a higher gloss. What aggravates me, is when the muddy murky D's start vomiting their misguided puke all over this side and the other side driving away, in fear and revulsion, potentially good boys and girls. Then we have the gaggle of muddy murky /s's that have aimed low, achieved the relationship with the bottom feeding mud fish D, and antagonize any /s that has the audacity to reach directly for what they are looking for, fearful that they will get it.

Generally, I feel the same way about this as you do. When someone comes along, slaps that D label on themselves, and then starts posting to show just how inept they really are....... Hey, feel free. We've got a few and I just keep thinking to Myself that I hope they keep posting because they are showing every s-type out there exactly what to avoid. (Is it just Me or have you noticed a rise in this?)

quote:

Again, we have some very illustrious D's and /s's that do shine brightly, but what confounds me is the anger some feel at the reflection of their faults. It seems to me, that if it is so apparent thou art lacking, why not step through the looking glass and evolve?

As you and I have discussed privately (along with some others that I've corresponded with through email) I've been doing My own personal evolution. It's very hard for Me to put into words for regular forum view, but all of it seems to stem for being so much happier now. I absolutely can't compare where I was a year ago to where I am today and there's a lot of joy in that. This isn't the appropriate thread for Me to go into it, so I'll save that part for another time.

quote:

We've had some very provocative threads, good and bad. Bad in the sense that they show us just how ugly the reflection can be. Yet, for many of us we shake our heads a bit stymied, because the ugly we are seeing, just isn't in our realm of understanding. But, as a mostly good and strong community, many dive in and offer a nudge through the looking glass so that we can help the writhing monstrosity become enlightened, grow, and perhaps find their happy.

This past week, tk has really been ill, so I've had a bit more time to at least read some of the threads this past week. It seems to Me that one thread that kept going back to the cheating topic changed three times since it's inception because the Mods had to keep cleaning it.

I don't think threads like that are a reflection of the responders. Hopefully, the originator sees what's looking back at them in the mirror. I still say that if somebody has to slap a D label on themselves so they can come here in hopes of sneaking around on their spouse in a cowardly way, all I can say is that person has a different definition of "Dominant" than I do. I'm no stranger to walking up to MP at various times in our marriage and doing exactly what so many people come here saying they can't do. He knows about this part of Me and has for a very long time.

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Conversely, too often I see the hideous creature reflected in the mirror attack the credibility of a "shiny" persons sincerity, truth, and candor, because their truth is an ugly truth to you. Makes me wonder, whatever happened to "stop, breathe, count to three"? Because the new "knee jerk, attack, bully, demean" system is just fucked up in 50 different ways.

We've talked about this, too. Some of the "ugly" isn't necessarily what some folks want to hear. I'm honestly not good at fluffing it up so it looks "pretty" to everyone. There are folks on the forums who are much better at it than I am, so they are better suited for the task.




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RE: Through the looking glass - 2/13/2014 4:54:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Looking within yourself is hard freaking work. Admitting problems is shaming and difficult.
I've been known to "grieve" (for lack of a better word) for how I've allowed myself to be in the past, regret it so much, and struggle so hard with it, that I actually fear the loss of it, am so ashamed of it, that facing that shame feels a lot more like climbing a mountain than simply stepping though the looking glass and pausing.

I can be crazy defensive and insecure. Its something I'm constantly working on but I suffer foot in mouth disease too frequently sometimes. Probably not on here as much, usually I type something out, then delete it all because I don't find it constructive or I find it self absorbed. But in real life I have a tendency to blow right past the mirror too quickly, sorta like "yah yah yah...I get it I'm being kinda terrible, but hell if thats going to stop me"- on here at least I have to reread before I post and digest it a bit more. But it is an exercise in self control, and self awareness, I generally feel pretty receptive and accepting to varying opinions on here. Like I said I have a rougher time with it in real life dealing with the "ugly"- that takes a lot more courage than on here, in my experience at least (but then, I'm not one to gush all my personal issues to strangers, be it on the internet, or in real life, so its much harder to hear criticism from someone I love and care about I suppose).

I mean, if we're talking about literal mirrors I have way more issues with those and DO avoid them, avidly.

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RE: Through the looking glass - 2/13/2014 9:18:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		I can honestly say that meeting me in person is no different than me posting here or chatting through messages. I don't know how else to act.

Exile, you & I know each other fairly well. Through back & forth on the other side, and other methods. If i can't find something positive to add to a thread, most times I'll stay away. Yes, I admit I have snarky moments, but I'm not mean. I preview everything I write now before I post to make sure the intonation is correct. I can look at myself in the mirror & I don't dislike who I see.

It also helps that I've surrounded myself with true friends & family who keep me grounded & in the here and now. If I'm tough on anyone, it's myself, but I'm also very self aware and hey, I can laugh at how silly inside my head can become.

This is a great thread, hoping it leads to great dialogue too.

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RE: Through the looking glass - 2/13/2014 9:48:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		I really don't expect anything other than the lowest common denominator when dealing with people. Everyone has ugly and beautiful facets to show or hide. This is not confined to D/s.

I can only look in my mirror and be honest with myself. I have no responsibility for other's lack of self awareness or delusions.

I always know why I do or say or feel something and I have have tremendous empathy, but less patience for people who refuse to take ownership for their behavior.

We live in a very selfish society now. If you find some love and support in your little corner of the world, embrace it

What I have learned most recently (past 5 years) is perspective.

The more real life struggles you have, health, financial, etc. can make or break you and your priorities and how you view people change.

You can survive or thrive, it's your attitude that is important. These days I eliminate any negative people who have not shown up for me during the worst time of my life.

They don't deserve me. That is my looking glass telling me that I matter and only I can be strong for me.

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RE: Through the looking glass - 2/14/2014 8:14:25 AM   
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Generally, I feel the same way about this as you do. When someone comes along, slaps that D label on themselves, and then starts posting to show just how inept they really are....... Hey, feel free. We've got a few and I just keep thinking to Myself that I hope they keep posting because they are showing every s-type out there exactly what to avoid. (Is it just Me or have you noticed a rise in this?)


Yep, an invasion of idiocy.

LP, you are quite the shiny example, no one could dispute that, they may want to because you shine brightly.

Many of our Men and Women, girls and boys, have watched you grow, evolve, and polish your Dynamic, WIITYD, and as a result, you've always been a strait shooter. When you interact on the board, it is from your place, where you are with "subject X", and 99% of the time you give props where they are deserved and lashes where they are earned. Only a very new person on here wouldn't know where they stand with you, the rest of us know very well.

You stand firm on your path, and it is and has always been UNSHAKABLE. I haven't ever seen you sway on what you understand to be your truth. I've seen you withdraw from a subject, ruminate deeply over a subject, and once you've settled with your "personal truth" on a subject, you put on your big girl shoes, walked in and laid it all out for us. Even if that new "personal truth" was a sharp turn from your original position, you've always owned it.

Those are a few facets to the crown jewel that is you. Your disdain of "one true wayism" is another shiny facet. I've never seen you brow beat someone into "your way", it is always your way, for those in your dynamic, everyone else gets a pass, because they are not in your dynamic.

What makes you valuable to CM, is that you tell it like it is, and don't use the Rolodex of uber Domly Domliness quotes from every book ever written. Some people may think that jabbing the flogger up someone's ass top first is the way it is, and you offer your insight as to the fact it is extracted much easier, handle first.


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ORIGINAL: shiftyw

Looking within yourself is hard freaking work. Admitting problems is shaming and difficult.
I've been known to "grieve" (for lack of a better word) for how I've allowed myself to be in the past, regret it so much, and struggle so hard with it, that I actually fear the loss of it, am so ashamed of it, that facing that shame feels a lot more like climbing a mountain than simply stepping though the looking glass and pausing.
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Shifty, I am very happy you joined this thread. You are one of our awesome shiny girls, and two more are right under you. But I'm going to focus on you, because the other two already know how freakin awesome they are.

I know that you sometimes feel like an island here because your dynamic is very specific. Trust me babe, I get it. I'm either too big a freak for some or not freak enough for the rest. A lot of the things that I've written above, regarding LP, could apply to you with some alteration of the verbiage, just a bit.

You stand firm in WIITYD, and like LP, no one is going to change your mind, but may present a thought so profound it'll make you reexamine your position. You'll either dismiss it, or your position will change, but only change via your own design and decision.

We've spoke on the other side extensively, which made you a key component in the formulation of this thread. Because your dynamic is so specific, it precludes you from being the vast oracle of all things kinky, but hasn't stopped you from replying to a topic from either an emotional or logical place. The fact that you stand firm in your dynamic, and do contribute, often profoundly, from the place you feel the deepest impact, makes you quite shiny, and reflects to a lot of monsters their lack of strength and/or character.

Jus sayin
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RE: Through the looking glass - 2/14/2014 8:46:33 AM   
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Thank you!
I actually feel loads of regulars here are pretty ding dang shiny most of the time. Even if they are unmoving in their opinion, most of the solid posters seem to be ok and very accepting of the varying niches everyone fills. I have been appreciative of it, immensely (I mean who doesn't love shiny things?)

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RE: Through the looking glass - 2/14/2014 9:21:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		ET, you could make a gal blush. Thank you. I don't know especially if it is all deserved because I can remember a number of times where I've done exactly the opposite. There are some things that I've grown out of. (Thankfully, as I hope to always grow.) I'm actually still a fan of one true way for Me. I'm probably still going to be the person that says don't put a whip in your hand, aimed at a human target, if you don't know what you're doing. That kind of stuff has been ingrained in Me for an awful long time, so it's highly unlikely that I'm going to let it go.

Oh, and I honestly still love My books. I know times have changed since I first started out and people will more often ask for links, rather than those tangible pages. While some links and webpages are quite good, there are others out there that aren't and I still feel certain books are more reliable for in depth information. Some were invaluable to Me and they are still on My bookshelf.


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RE: Through the looking glass - 2/14/2014 11:27:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		After Brad passed I had to look in the mirror long and hard.....because I was now alone....very alone and if I did not like who I was who was going to??? I found I really like who I am and how I have evolved over the years. My looks are not what I want them to be...LOL but hell they are only skin deep and are not what makes me....me!!!!!!!!!! I have had many tell me over and over again how I seem real not like most on the net. LOL I only know how to be real....so I am glad that is how I come across. I tell others what I think but I do know how to sugar coat it when I need to. Do I ever get snarky???.... hell yeah!!!! But many of those times I type out what I really want to say and then re read all that I have typed and find my self more times then not X out and not sharing what I have wrote. The reason why....because I do not like the snarkiness in me....its something I have worked hard over he years to change, though there are some times when its need.

ET I am really glad you wrote this, because at times I still like to look in the mirror and to make sure I am still liking me!!! I look forward to what others have to write as well.

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RE: Through the looking glass - 2/14/2014 12:18:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ExiledTyrant


I've found, after many years, that one of the scariest things people can face is the mirror. <snip>
Exiled


I believe that people are doing the best that they can. Even those who are not trying to do well, who are living a life of harm and hatred are wounded to a striking level or have learned through life or mentors a different standard than others. They are doing the best they can within their own framework. Some, I pity. Others, I want to just love their lost souls. Whenever possible, I will do that. Of course I must protect the sunshine or the flowers simply won't grow. :(

Pain is the precursor for growth, and many people were brought up in or have lived through excruciating pain... to the point of harm. Opening those wounds, choosing the torture that can come with healing is an incredibly brave thing to do. Bless those people in their journeys.

As to the quote above, several years ago I worked in child welfare and would testify at times that parents ought lose their rights and the child(ren) would be safer by being available for adoption. (usually an adoptive family was caring for the child(ren) already.) It was at times an easy decision, at others heart-wrenching. I placed a mirror on my desk, and while I was writing my reports and weighing the facts, I often would look in that mirror. Certainly it was symbolic, but so too was it a mental crucible for me. If I had to look away, I knew I wasn't able to make the decision with a clear conscience.

I wonder how life would be if looking in a mirror at our inner workings were a part of our daily to do list.

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RE: Through the looking glass - 2/14/2014 12:26:34 PM   
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I am sure the best of us know we can improve but do not think we are utterly useless.

I have no problems looking in mirrors. In fact sometimes I've thought I must have reverse body dysmorphia as unlike most women I like how I look!

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RE: Through the looking glass - 2/14/2014 12:38:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is actually pretty near and dear to some stuff that I've been working on within myself. One of my quirks that's very difficult for most people to deal with is my rather blunt and critical nature. I've realized through some conversations with my friends that though I've always been this way, the general lack of kindness within this world has jaded me and caused me to simply spit out truths without much concern or care for the feelings of the other person. Very often people do not like it when you point out their bad behaviour, but I was making it worse with sarcasm and snark that wasn't necessary. So now I get to work on still being an excellent mirror while being kinder and gentler with the emotionally messy stuff.

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RE: Through the looking glass - 2/14/2014 2:34:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Such an interesting op.

One of the main reasons I joined this site was a metaphorical long hard look in the mirror. Although I don't post much on this side, I read a lot. Sometimes I see the murkiness that you talk about, oftentimes I see true, actually inspirational, shininess. I can hold a mirror up to myself now and be comfortable with what I see rather than ignoring the blindingly obvious. I am that little bit more comfortable in my own skin for being here, and I am grateful for the many shiny people that have made it so. Being here perhaps makes me that little bit more shiny myself, even if I have some way to go yet. I truly hope the same is true for others who read, learn and develop. There is murkiness to be sure, but to me Collarchat is a force for good.

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RE: Through the looking glass - 2/14/2014 3:02:20 PM   
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RE: Through the looking glass - 2/14/2014 3:15:21 PM   
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My take on this is that there are two things people should strive not to do - the first is to lie to themselves, and the second to take themselves too seriously.

Fuck I know I am flawed, in many ways. Some of those flaws can be passed off as "part of my mysterious charm" while others, I know, are fucking irritating to people. Most of my flaws have been long time companions, and some of them I'm totally reconciled with, while others are projects that I work on (with relatively little success).

What's really fucking uncomfortable, is when I am confronted with a new flaw, when I'm called out on something. Then I pretty much go through the classic stages of grieving... I deny that I have the flaw, I get angry with the person who pointed it out, then I try to mitigate the flaw by bargaining with myself and eventually (no matter how unpleasant the process) I just have to accept that it's a new flaw and then decide whether I can reconcile myself to it, or whether I should set to work on it.

All of us have a self image, and in most cases that self image is fairly true to the way we behave and present ourselves. I think the freedom that the internet offers to create a new facade has good and bad sides to it - I think that exploring a new persona needn't be unhealthy, but I also think that it often is.

I do wonder at the asshats... there was a recent thread in which I got a little snarky with a poster (my snarkiness is one of those odd flaws that oscillates between being something I'm totally fucking reconciled with and being something I feel I ought to work on), the vitriolic emails I received from this stranger struck me - in large measure because the overriding sense I felt on reading them was pity.

I had a really really tough teenage, my father was killed in a sudden and unpleasant way when I was 15, and for a good 4 years I was properly fucked up. But the outcome (which was arrived at far more as a result of luck and good friends thant it was any "Inner Strength" that I might have possessed at the time) was that I felt that I was much closer to being the person I pretended to be... the gap between "Me" and "Public Me" had narrowed.

I suppose the one other thing is the extent to which you feel the need to be liked, or powerful. I'm not saying that I don't give a shit who likes me, or who perceives that I'm "strong", there are plenty of people here whose opinions I respect and whose approval does mean something. Actually, there aren't plenty, there are a few. As to the rest - Fuck, I know I'm not every person's cup of tea, and I can live with that.

My closing thought is that, I'm surprised at the number of times I want to ask one of these asshats "Why do you hate yourself so much?"


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RE: Through the looking glass - 2/14/2014 3:32:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: crazyml

My closing thought is that, I'm surprised at the number of times I want to ask one of these asshats "Why do you hate yourself so much?"


My original thread was going to be asshats, with the OP "why do you hate yourselves so much?"

But I went this way so I could friggen awesome replies, such as yours.

Jus sayin
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RE: Through the looking glass - 2/14/2014 3:33:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sexyred1

I would just like to lick ExiledTyrant's brain.

Carry on.


Clairice,

That's quite a twist.

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