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RE: -=Federal Judge Strikes Down Virginia Gay Marriage ... - 6/12/2014 4:06:09 AM   
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There is a lot to be said for checking your facts before opening your mouth.

Absolutely.

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RE: -=Federal Judge Strikes Down Virginia Gay Marriage ... - 6/12/2014 5:59:51 AM   
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It was a mistake, but I don't expect you to understand the difference. Baby steps and all. And you were right, my bad. It was the republicans who pushed to get it on the ballot. It was the democrats who voted it in.


There is a lot to be said for checking your facts before opening your mouth. As I've pointed out to you before this is overwhelmingly a partisan issue where you're vote gets used to oppress gay people.


I watched the reactions from those oh so tolerant liberals in Detroit when ever the subject of gay marriage came up. Now maybe you think all the bumperstickers and church signs I read crying that marriage should only be between a man and women screams freedom for gays. But I would have to disagree with you.

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RE: -=Federal Judge Strikes Down Virginia Gay Marriage ... - 6/12/2014 9:11:22 AM   
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RE: -=Federal Judge Strikes Down Virginia Gay Marriage ... - 6/12/2014 10:09:48 AM   
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I watched the reactions from those oh so tolerant liberals in Detroit when ever the subject of gay marriage came up.

Two assumptions seem embedded in this sentence:

(a) Anyone in Detroit is a liberal.

(b) Detroit is emblematic of the nation as a whole.

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RE: -=Federal Judge Strikes Down Virginia Gay Marriage ... - 6/12/2014 12:31:58 PM   
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I watched the reactions from those oh so tolerant liberals in Detroit when ever the subject of gay marriage came up.

Two assumptions seem embedded in this sentence:

(a) Anyone in Detroit is a liberal.

(b) Detroit is emblematic of the nation as a whole.



a I never said anyone there. But a big percentage are.

b No its not, but it does support my theory that the issue is based more on religious beliefs than political ones.

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RE: -=Federal Judge Strikes Down Virginia Gay Marriage ... - 6/13/2014 10:30:09 AM   
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Apparently, Virginia IS for lovers. Its constitutional now.

Most appropriate since 'Loving v Virginia' was the Supreme Court ruling that struck down the ban on miscegenation.

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RE: -=Federal Judge Strikes Down Virginia Gay Marriage ... - 6/13/2014 11:35:13 AM   
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I watched the reactions from those oh so tolerant liberals in Detroit when ever the subject of gay marriage came up.

Two assumptions seem embedded in this sentence:

(a) Anyone in Detroit is a liberal.

(b) Detroit is emblematic of the nation as a whole.



Despite the whining and the proclamations from the left and the right, reality is -- the nation is purple. Everywhere.




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RE: -=Federal Judge Strikes Down Virginia Gay Marriage ... - 6/16/2014 3:51:52 AM   
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I watched the reactions from those oh so tolerant liberals in Detroit when ever the subject of gay marriage came up. Now maybe you think all the bumperstickers and church signs I read crying that marriage should only be between a man and women screams freedom for gays. But I would have to disagree with you.


Sure if you ignore all the data and draw your rationalizations from vague anecdotes, you can pretend that your vote isn't going to oppress homosexuals. However, you can't expect the rest of us to pretend with you. I'm about to knock this one down just like dcnovice did the last one. Have an even vaguer anecdote to change the subject with?

So on to the numbers, just like last time what you're actually doing in noticing the Republicans and pretending they're Democrats.

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ORIGINAL: http://www.wxyz.com/news/mackinac-policy-conference/exclusive-poll-michigan-voters-are-split-on-same-sex-marriage-support
But, without question, most of the split in numbers is along political party lines. Sixty-nine percent of Democrats support same-sex marriages compared to 44 percent of Independents and only 25 percent of Republicans.

Among those opposing same-sex marriage, 70 percent are Republicans and only 25 percent are Democrats. Forty-six percent are Independents. The fight to move Independents into the “for” and “against” columns, will continue with vigorous debate.

Our exclusive statewide poll commissioned by our Michigan media partners in Grand Rapids, Detroit, Flint and Lansing, was conducted May 17 – 20. Twenty percent of the respondents answered questions on their cell phones. The survey has a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percent.

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RE: -=Federal Judge Strikes Down Virginia Gay Marriage ... - 6/16/2014 5:15:32 AM   
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RE: -=Federal Judge Strikes Down Virginia Gay Marriage ... - 6/16/2014 6:00:00 AM   
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You are not seriously trying to convince me that Detroit is a conservative city, are you? Now that is funny.


By all means use a strawman of my position to avoid facing the harm you're doing to homosexuals.

If you're interested in what I'm actually saying, here it is:






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RE: -=Federal Judge Strikes Down Virginia Gay Marriage ... - 6/16/2014 6:59:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Cute graph but I don't put a lot of faith in polls and it has nothing to do with how many democrats there are in Detroit and why so many of them put out signs against gay marriage. Now if I had to guess I would say it has more to do with religious beliefs than political ones but then one side couldn't point to the other and claim righteousness if they factored that in and what fun is that.

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RE: -=Federal Judge Strikes Down Virginia Gay Marriage ... - 6/16/2014 7:51:42 PM   
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Polls are certainly far from perfect (see "Cantor, Eric"), and Steel's graph may not shed much light on church signs in Detroit.

But it's definitely a handy tool for looking at attitudes toward same-sex marriage on a larger scale and in a more systematic way.

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RE: -=Federal Judge Strikes Down Virginia Gay Marriage ... - 6/16/2014 8:28:38 PM   
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if I had to guess

Why guess when folks have posted actual data? And countless more are just a Google search away?

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RE: -=Federal Judge Strikes Down Virginia Gay Marriage ... - 6/17/2014 4:07:20 AM   
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Why guess when folks have posted actual data? And countless more are just a Google search away?


Because the actual data and party platforms don't say what boi wants to hear.

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RE: -=Federal Judge Strikes Down Virginia Gay Marriage ... - 6/17/2014 4:48:27 AM   
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Cute graph but I don't put a lot of faith in polls and it has nothing to do with how many democrats there are in Detroit and why so many of them put out signs against gay marriage.


Do you get that you're Detroit signs are also a poll, just a much MUCH more shittily conducted poll?

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RE: -=Federal Judge Strikes Down Virginia Gay Marriage ... - 6/17/2014 4:55:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: http://www.wxyz.com/news/mackinac-policy-conference/exclusive-poll-michigan-voters-are-split-on-same-sex-marriage-support

Among those opposing same-sex marriage, 70 percent are Republicans and only 25 percent are Democrats. Forty-six percent are Independents. The fight to move Independents into the “for” and “against” columns, will continue with vigorous debate.

Our exclusive statewide poll commissioned by our Michigan media partners in Grand Rapids, Detroit, Flint and Lansing, was conducted May 17 – 20. Twenty percent of the respondents answered questions on their cell phones. The survey has a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percent.



So that's the breakdown of all 141% of those polled. It will be a wonderful day when reporters learn basic math.

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RE: -=Federal Judge Strikes Down Virginia Gay Marriage ... - 6/17/2014 5:45:11 AM   
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if I had to guess

Why guess when folks have posted actual data? And countless more are just a Google search away?


I am sorry, I must have missed that post. I saw the one where the poll was broken down by political party but it didn't have anything to indicate if they were against it because of their political leanings or because of their religious beliefs. Maybe you or GS could help a boi out here.

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RE: -=Federal Judge Strikes Down Virginia Gay Marriage ... - 6/17/2014 8:26:26 AM   
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I am sorry, I must have missed that post. I saw the one where the poll was broken down by political party but it didn't have anything to indicate if they were against it because of their political leanings or because of their religious beliefs. Maybe you or GS could help a boi out here.

I'm not sure it's either/or in terms of political and religious beliefs. The PDF I linked to earlier in the thread may have more on that.

And I'm sure you're smart enough to delve into the subject without spoon-feeding.

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RE: -=Federal Judge Strikes Down Virginia Gay Marriage ... - 6/17/2014 12:58:42 PM   
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I am sorry, I must have missed that post. I saw the one where the poll was broken down by political party but it didn't have anything to indicate if they were against it because of their political leanings or because of their religious beliefs. Maybe you or GS could help a boi out here.

I'm not sure it's either/or in terms of political and religious beliefs. The PDF I linked to earlier in the thread may have more on that.

And I'm sure you're smart enough to delve into the subject without spoon-feeding.



Yes I am smart enough, but since you claimed someone had already posted it, I thought you might have a link. Apparently not.

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RE: -=Federal Judge Strikes Down Virginia Gay Marriage ... - 6/17/2014 7:30:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: http://www.wxyz.com/news/mackinac-policy-conference/exclusive-poll-michigan-voters-are-split-on-same-sex-marriage-support

Among those opposing same-sex marriage, 70 percent are Republicans and only 25 percent are Democrats. Forty-six percent are Independents. The fight to move Independents into the “for” and “against” columns, will continue with vigorous debate.

Our exclusive statewide poll commissioned by our Michigan media partners in Grand Rapids, Detroit, Flint and Lansing, was conducted May 17 – 20. Twenty percent of the respondents answered questions on their cell phones. The survey has a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percent.

So that's the breakdown of all 141% of those polled. It will be a wonderful day when reporters learn basic math.


It's misworded, should read 70 percent of Republicans and only 25 percent of Democrats. Forty-six percent of Independents.

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