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RE: Technical Question: Handcuffs+Radiator - 2/16/2014 12:02:58 PM   
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RE: Technical Question: Handcuffs+Radiator - 2/16/2014 12:26:14 PM   
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RE: Technical Question: Handcuffs+Radiator - 2/16/2014 4:27:23 PM   
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The problem I see with using a radiator as a bondage anchor isn't the heat transfer but how old cast iron radiators are built.

Most of the ones I have seen have a pipe union on the inlet and outlet and a valve on the inlet. If the person bound to it struggled, you could end up with results like a college friend of mine did when she attached the leash of her dog to the radiator..... a broken steam pipe, fried doggie, and almost everything in the room trashed.

Pipe unions work well for attaching steam pipes to steam driven machinery. But, when there is side wiggle, they will start to leak. Once leaking, it can degrade quickly due to steam cutting on the metal.

My take would be to only use a radiator if it is one of the rare ones that is structurally fastened to the studs in the wall.

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RE: Technical Question: Handcuffs+Radiator - 2/16/2014 9:07:45 PM   
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RE: Technical Question: Handcuffs+Radiator - 2/16/2014 9:42:03 PM   
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The problem I see with using a radiator as a bondage anchor isn't the heat transfer but how old cast iron radiators are built.

Most of the ones I have seen have a pipe union on the inlet and outlet and a valve on the inlet. If the person bound to it struggled, you could end up with results like a college friend of mine did when she attached the leash of her dog to the radiator..... a broken steam pipe, fried doggie, and almost everything in the room trashed.

Pipe unions work well for attaching steam pipes to steam driven machinery. But, when there is side wiggle, they will start to leak. Once leaking, it can degrade quickly due to steam cutting on the metal.

My take would be to only use a radiator if it is one of the rare ones that is structurally fastened to the studs in the wall.

And lo and behold, one of them was. Or is. Or will be, when I finish writing it. It's really just a plot device to keep it interesting until the next act. It's still a rough draft, and I need to polish it up before posting.



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RE: Technical Question: Handcuffs+Radiator - 2/16/2014 10:03:58 PM   
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Yes very good point Merc Tech. I used a commercial model which is fastened to the studs in the wall. I didn't even think of if they broke the steam pipe.

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RE: Technical Question: Handcuffs+Radiator - 2/17/2014 5:52:04 PM   
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In case anyone's interested, the story is off paper and onto my computer. While still a rough draft, if anyone would like, I could post a snippet concerning my question.

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RE: Technical Question: Handcuffs+Radiator - 2/17/2014 6:01:35 PM   
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RE: Technical Question: Handcuffs+Radiator - 2/17/2014 6:13:33 PM   
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RE: Technical Question: Handcuffs+Radiator - 2/17/2014 6:19:42 PM   
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Okay. Fair warning, it's a rough draft, no formatted, and needs a little setup. Don't know if you remember this, but a couple years ago, there was this ant-drug PSA with these two guys smoking a doob in one's bedroom. The one guy (reminds me of a young Joe Pesci) was griping that 'pot didn't make me do anything different. I've been smoking for 15 years..." and his friend looked like one of the Ramones. Then the mom banged on the door and complained if he'd even bothered looking for a job.

Those guys are the antagonists. The whole story came to me during a bar chat the other night. Now that you (maybe) have a visual, here goes. It's in the first act, because that's where it ended up:

...Carmine came out with a blanket and opened up the side door. "Listen, Ms. Biller, we're going inside.

Don't do nothing stupid, okay? Just walk in, no fighting, no noises. Come on, hurry up!" he said,

wrapping her up and hustling her out. "I'm not Tracy Billers!" Connie exclaimed, but the gag in her

mouth made it come out as "Migh moff Fraphie Fihhers!" as she was being hurried inside the back door.

She saw the cellar light on, and her heart started pounding, but her abductors pushed her up the stairs

instead. The apartment was overheated, and she could hear a TV playing loudly, and two female voices

as they pushed her into a bedroom.


It reminded her of her brother's room when they were growing up. Messy, with dirty laundry on the

floor, piles of magazines and comic books, pictures from men's magazines taped to the wall, dust. There

was a bag of beer cans, and the room reeked of pot and tobacco smoke as he plopped her on the floor

in front of an old-fashioned radiator securely bolted to the wall. "No!" she exclaimed, as they both

wrestled with her to lock her wrists to it, using the connections between the upright parts. It was very

warm against her back, even through her jacket and blouse. "Awright, now, let's call Daddy and let him

know where babygirl is!" Carmine said, digging through her purse until he found her phone. "Fuck, I

can't figure this out. You do it!" he said, handing the phone to Vinnie in disgust. The heat was starting

to get uncomfortable, and Connie began to complain in a high pitched voice through her gag. "What? I

told you to keep yer yap shut? What's wrong with you?" he asked, as she began to sound desperate,

hopping up and down as much as she could on her butt. Vinnie had recuffed her ankles back together,

so she couldn't do much more than that. "We'll let you go as soon as Daddy says he'll pay, bitch, now

settle the fuck down. And be quiet, damnit!" he said angrily.


The heat was starting to transfer through the cuffs, and she could feel it where the thin bracelets

touched her skin. Tears began again, more frustration than anything. Vinnie was absorbed in trying to

figure out her phone, so he wasn't paying attention. "I don't see nothing, 'cept for 'work', 'mom', and

'frank'. That's it, man. There's nothin' else on here," he said, handing it back. Connie rolled her eyes. Of

course there was nothing else, she thought. The last time she'd lost her phone, it had a couple dozen

contacts, and the asshole had called them all, asking for a 'reward' for finding it. The cuffs were getting

very hot now, and she could feel a definite sting on her back from the radiator as well. Connie leaned

forward as much as possible, but the cuffs kept her from going too far. "What the hell's wrong with

her?"Carmine asked, seeing her sobbing and convulsing. Vinnie looked slack-jawed, but brightened.

"Dude, the radiator! That fucker's hotter 'n hell, man! Get her off it, man!" he said, getting up from the

bed.


Carmine's eye flared as he realized his friend was right. He'd burned himself more than once on the

damn thing, and he leapt to the valve and closed it. "No, leave her hooked up, this'll be faster!" he said,

grabbing one of the warm beers from a half-empty carton on the floor. The smell of beer and heat rose

up, adding to the reek assaulting Connie's nostrils. But at least the liquid quenched the burning, even as

it ran down her sleeves and in her coat. "Fuck!"Carmine exclaimed. Things were going out of control.

This wasn't supposed to be how it went down. It should have been easy. Grab her, take her to Sal's

garage, call her dad, get the money, easy as that.


"Carmine! Is that you up there?" an older woman's voice called out from somewhere. "No, I mean yeah!

Ma! I'm a little busy up here!" he said, his eyes bugging out even more. "How'd the job hunt go? Did

you even really look for one? Are you up there with that friend of yours?" the voice said, in an annoyed

tone. "Good! Yeah, and yeah! Gimme a minute! Please!" he said, a note of desperation. Connie looked

up, shaking her head in amazement. Vinnie had dumped another can of beer on her wrists, and opened

the window, where the chilly fall air was welcome on her overheated back. "Fuck! Fuckfuckfuckfuck!"

Carmine wailed, holding his head in his hands. There was a knock on his door. "Carmine? Let me in, I

know you got some," a younger female voice said in a low but insistent tone.


Vinnie looked up. "Andrea? Dude, you can't let her in, man! She'll blab in a second!" he hissed. But the

knocking continued. "Damn it, Carmine, let me in! I just need a couple of hits, you jerk. Come on, I gotta

get going. I gotta be at work at eleven!" Carmine started convulsing again in rage. His nineteen year old

sister didn't live here, she already got a place of her own, while he was stuck living with ma. Decision

time. He had to get rid of her. "Hold the fuck on!" he hissed, going to his nightstand and fumbling with

something as Connie watched. "Here! I'll give you some. Just go the fuck away, please!" he begged,

opening the door just a crack to hand it to her.


Carmine forgot the cardinal rules of dealing with Italian women. Don't tell them to a. shut up, b. go

away, or c. she can't do something. With surprising strength, a petite dark-haired girl pushed her way in

past him. "I don't wanna take any home, my fucking roomie'lll....Ohmygawd! Carmine!" she said, seeing

Connie gagged and chained to the radiator. "What the fuck have you two done?" she said, holding her

hands to her mouth in horror. Vinnie had gotten up, and was standing beside both of them. "I'm telling

maw!" Andrea exclaimed.

A funny thing happened as Connie watched. The skinny dork who had seemed

all thumbs actually did something that worked. He slapped a hand over the smaller woman's mouth and

wrestled her onto the bed. "Hey! That's my sister!" Carmine snarled. "Yeah! And she's gonna tell your

maw! Get the fuckin' tape! She's biting the shit outta my hand!" Vinnie snarled back...



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RE: Technical Question: Handcuffs+Radiator - 2/17/2014 9:26:48 PM   
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I think it is not bad at all for a rough draft. Very cool man.

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RE: Technical Question: Handcuffs+Radiator - 2/18/2014 12:13:17 AM   
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Thank you. At the moment, it's perhaps 90% done, not counting editing and formatting, and then I gotta figure where it goes. At the moment, aside from one oblique reference, it's not a 'scene' story whatsoever. Looking at it, with proper editing, it could probably go either young adult, suspense thriller, or I could go full perv on it and give it XXX treatment. Not sure yet.

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RE: Technical Question: Handcuffs+Radiator - 2/18/2014 1:06:39 PM   
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I'd vote for full perv, but not with those clowns. OTOH, it's a shame to waste a scene set with helpless women.

Keep us posted!

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RE: Technical Question: Handcuffs+Radiator - 2/18/2014 7:05:41 PM   
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I vote full perv too.

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RE: Technical Question: Handcuffs+Radiator - 2/18/2014 9:25:30 PM   
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Why am I not surprised? Okay, if I get ten votes for full perv, it happens. And not with the two goombas, either. Right now, the story is in a holding pattern while I decide how the bad guys end up. I was actually trying to work in a little Stockholm Syndrome in there, but it's gonna take some editing, and maybe a couple of Shlyamnan-esque twists to perform. The story's bones are in place, along with a lot of the supporting structures, but there needs to be some major character development before any incarnation is ready for public consumption.

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RE: Technical Question: Handcuffs+Radiator - 2/18/2014 10:13:41 PM   
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I vote for maximum crazy, beastiality... Necrophillia... Ya know? Give it the old twilight treatment. And make millions!
Aside from that, what form do the antagonist elements take in this story? What scope am I looking at when I fit this scene into the bigger picture? How does the girl fit into this bigger picture? Or is her life the focus?

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RE: Technical Question: Handcuffs+Radiator - 2/18/2014 11:48:28 PM   
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Hard to explain. Of course, it revolves around her, and I'm shooting for a contrast between her life and those of her abductors, a pair of life's losers. When their paths cross, it's because of a case of mistaken identity, which has been an ongoing issue for her. I'm also trying to make this darkly humorous as well as suspenseful, and I don't want the 'bad guys' as coming off as the one-dimensional masked men I read about in similar pieces. In some ways, I'm trying to make them sympathetic characters as much as antagonists.

I'm trying to follow the Campbell dicta for how stories should be told, and I still have to flesh out a couple of the supporting characters (especially if everyone wants 'full-perv') before it's ready for prime time. While the first act is pretty much done, the second and third are still drafts, just to get all the elements I want in place. I write helter-skelter, that is, I move from act to act when I add something to move things along. I have the ending roughed out, but its still not clear which way I want it to go. As I said before, I'd like to throw in some Stockholm Syndrome to complicate matters, and the 'hard' elements (police procedures, backgrounds, etc.) need to be filled in more.

I've got three pivotal characters that are simply cardboard cut-outs now, and one is vital to the reasoning behind the whole story. As with most of my stories, a lot of it just 'happens' as I write them.

PS- I meant to say "Shymalan" before.

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RE: Technical Question: Handcuffs+Radiator - 2/19/2014 6:24:46 AM   
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Oooh. There is some formatting problem btw, the story is showing up as 2lines of text one blank, 2lines of text one blank etc... Is that just something on my end? I am reading this on an iPhone.

Something that strikes me as working against this scene is that I feel I'm being told what is happening rather than experiencing it through the characters.
Also the kidnappers seem 'over the top incompetent', I can't take them seriously, I can't empathise with them or feel any threat from them, they are like stooges. I think, that missing relateability will make it difficult to sell the Stockholm syndrome aspect of the story...

I don't really like unloading a heap of problems on someone without offering solutions as well, but in this case I don't want to butt in on what ever creative vision you have.
So yea, just some constructive criticism from me, and I'm not published or anything so you can take that for what it's worth.
Will you be posting this in the creative writing section?

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RE: Technical Question: Handcuffs+Radiator - 2/19/2014 9:52:25 AM   
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Re; the formatting problem, it is still a rough draft, and since I write in .txt, I have to format it to work here on the site. I didn't do that with the snippet. As for the 'woodiness' of the story, again, it's a rough draft. When I say 90% done, I mean it's got a beginning, middle, and ending. Once I have those three parts down, I flesh them out more as I go over it and my notes. That last ten percent is what I feel makes the story a "story".

And they are stooges, for the most part. Without giving too much away, they're both thirty-somethings who failed to launch. Both still live at home while their peers and siblings have moved on. Both are petty criminals and potheads who waste their time getting stoned and watching cartoons and old movies. The story actually began about them, believe it or not.

Last Saturday night, when I was working at the bar, someone started talking about PSAs on the tube, and one was mentioned that had those two featured. Here's the PSA that was the genesis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy_knXF_G6c
Those are the antagonists in the story, for lack of a better explanation. I just need to complete the backstory to that vignette, and that's when the heroine came in, and her nemesis (teaser there). She was originally placed just to sex it up, but as the story grew, it became easier to make her the focus.

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RE: Technical Question: Handcuffs+Radiator - 2/19/2014 1:49:54 PM   
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Serious question here, folks. I'm writing a piece, and I'm in a corner on a scene. In it, I have a captive handcuffed to a radiator, and it's on. My experience with that is as the applier of, not the receiver, and the radiator in question was non-operational. If you have experience with that, how much heat transfers through the cuffs, and what did it feel like? Was there any damage?
For clarity, it's one of those old-fashioned ones you see in older buildings. Thanks!

I hope this isn't against TOS cuz I can't resist






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