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Rule -> RE: Jury couldn't agree on 1st-degree (2/19/2014 10:35:30 AM)
FR I would like to have the death penalty for everyone who plays LOUD music or who smokes.

BamaD -> RE: Jury couldn't agree on 1st-degree (2/19/2014 10:48:50 AM)
CNN suggests that the problem could well have been the jury was confused on the definitions of the various grades of murder. As it is Dunn will be over 100 when he gets out of jail, that's not exactly "getting away with it" now is it?

lovmuffin -> RE: Jury couldn't agree on 1st-degree (2/19/2014 11:01:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy quote: How would you rewrite it ? Don't ya think an idiot will try to use some other excuse ? It is simply not a good idea to legitimize gun use in the arena of disputes and altercations. But, to answer your question, I don't know. It is common for laws to be rewritten after the holes and problems of them are exposed. I don't think it's a good idea to legitimize gun use in the arena of disputes and altercations either. SYG laws don't do that. They simply eliminate the obligation to retreat if you're facing or about to face a deadly threat. The problem is people shooting when they shouldn't have, sometimes because of a dispute or altercation and then using SYG as an excuse. Juries need to see through that kind of shit. SYG laws are a result of overzealous anti gun prosecutors who will prosecute anyone who shoots, even if it was justified. Assholes and their lawyers use all kinds of excuses why they shot someone, from insanity to some kind of accident. Usually judges and juries don't buy it. Even though in this case 3 jurors bought into reasonable doubt, this guy was still found guilty of enough as it is to stick the screws to em. Edited to add: Trying to throw the race card into it (on another post) doesn't help the discussion.

DomKen -> RE: Jury couldn't agree on 1st-degree (2/19/2014 1:16:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Seems like 2 or particularly man should be slam dunk, why insist on the greater charge. The only place I have heard that 2nd or man was on the table was from domken and he just told me on another thread that something I saw didn't happen so I would like a better source. Can you provide me with one. I haven't really followed this case so I'm not as versed on it like the Zimmerman one was. But some who I know followed the case closely pointed out where the evidence was sufficient for reasonable doubt on the murder charge (the angle of the bullets proved that Davis had the car door open, while the other three passengers claimed it was child locked, etc). The physical evidence presented at trial, besides Dunn's claim, was the fact that the door was closed when Dunn shot Davis through it. The defense attorney was reduced to claiming that Davis reached out the window and opened the door from the outside because of the child locks. There was no reasonable doubt and Dunn should be facing murder 2 to go along with the attempted murder charges.

DomKen -> RE: Jury couldn't agree on 1st-degree (2/19/2014 1:20:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD FR At no point does it say what the 3 were holding out for. But of course we have to assume it was not guilty, otherwise we can't claim racism and rant against SYG. The juror explicitly said the hold outs wanted not guilty due to self defense. What else do you need?

BamaD -> RE: Jury couldn't agree on 1st-degree (2/19/2014 3:36:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Seems like 2 or particularly man should be slam dunk, why insist on the greater charge. The only place I have heard that 2nd or man was on the table was from domken and he just told me on another thread that something I saw didn't happen so I would like a better source. Can you provide me with one. I haven't really followed this case so I'm not as versed on it like the Zimmerman one was. But some who I know followed the case closely pointed out where the evidence was sufficient for reasonable doubt on the murder charge (the angle of the bullets proved that Davis had the car door open, while the other three passengers claimed it was child locked, etc). The physical evidence presented at trial, besides Dunn's claim, was the fact that the door was closed when Dunn shot Davis through it. The defense attorney was reduced to claiming that Davis reached out the window and opened the door from the outside because of the child locks. There was no reasonable doubt and Dunn should be facing murder 2 to go along with the attempted murder charges. Agreed

Raiikun -> RE: Jury couldn't agree on 1st-degree (2/19/2014 3:40:00 PM)
Except that the angle of bullet entry into Davis' door showed it was open. [image]http://i1275.photobucket.com/albums/y441/Uther3/Dunn%20Trial/DavisBullets_zpscf32ed79.jpg[/image]

DomKen -> RE: Jury couldn't agree on 1st-degree (2/19/2014 4:01:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun Except that the angle of bullet entry into Davis' door showed it was open. [image]http://i1275.photobucket.com/albums/y441/Uther3/Dunn%20Trial/DavisBullets_zpscf32ed79.jpg[/image] made up. The evidence at trial was that the door was closed.

Politesub53 -> RE: Jury couldn't agree on 1st-degree (2/19/2014 4:01:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun Except that the angle of bullet entry into Davis' door showed it was open. [image]http://i1275.photobucket.com/albums/y441/Uther3/Dunn%20Trial/DavisBullets_zpscf32ed79.jpg[/image] Bullshit...... The pictures dont show any such thing. Davis must have been moving as some of the bullets entered the car by the rear light cluster.

DomKen -> RE: Jury couldn't agree on 1st-degree (2/19/2014 4:05:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun Except that the angle of bullet entry into Davis' door showed it was open. [image]http://i1275.photobucket.com/albums/y441/Uther3/Dunn%20Trial/DavisBullets_zpscf32ed79.jpg[/image] Bullshit...... The pictures dont show any such thing. Davis must have been moving as some of the bullets entered the car by the rear light cluster. The SUV drove away as the young men inside desperately tried to escape the madman who was shooting at them so of course the angle changed. The car door was closed. The child lock was engaged.

BamaD -> RE: Jury couldn't agree on 1st-degree (2/19/2014 4:29:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun Except that the angle of bullet entry into Davis' door showed it was open. [image]http://i1275.photobucket.com/albums/y441/Uther3/Dunn%20Trial/DavisBullets_zpscf32ed79.jpg[/image] Where did this come from? Was it entered in evidence?

Politesub53 -> RE: Jury couldn't agree on 1st-degree (2/19/2014 4:32:41 PM)
Exactly Ken. He wouldnt have hit the front from one angle and the back from another and fired all the shots from the same body position. I guess some people look at the photos and just see what they wish to see. In the last week or two we have had threads defending a guy who shot a man for texting, another who shot kids for egging his car, another because the kids were playing loud music, and Zimmy who shot a kid walking home. It makes you wonder wtf some posters are on.

Raiikun -> RE: Jury couldn't agree on 1st-degree (2/19/2014 4:41:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun Except that the angle of bullet entry into Davis' door showed it was open. [image]http://i1275.photobucket.com/albums/y441/Uther3/Dunn%20Trial/DavisBullets_zpscf32ed79.jpg[/image] Where did this come from? Was it entered in evidence? The first picture was evidence, the second one was some photo adjustment to demonstrate how the angle fits with the door being open.

Politesub53 -> RE: Jury couldn't agree on 1st-degree (2/19/2014 4:59:26 PM)
It was still bullshit....... you claimed it proved the door was open, now you are saying it doesnt... [8\|]

DomKen -> RE: Jury couldn't agree on 1st-degree (2/19/2014 5:01:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun Except that the angle of bullet entry into Davis' door showed it was open. [image]http://i1275.photobucket.com/albums/y441/Uther3/Dunn%20Trial/DavisBullets_zpscf32ed79.jpg[/image] Where did this come from? Was it entered in evidence? The first picture was evidence, the second one was some photo adjustment to demonstrate how the angle fits with the door being open. I'll keep repeating, the uncontested facts entered into evidence was that the SUV door was closed when Dunn murdered Davis. The child lock was engaged so it was not possible for Davis to open the door. Dunn himself admitted that most of the shots he fired came after the SUV started to drive away so of course the angle of some of the shots changed.

Raiikun -> RE: Jury couldn't agree on 1st-degree (2/19/2014 5:33:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 now you are saying it doesnt... [8\|] You really should stop fabricating things like that.

Rule -> RE: Jury couldn't agree on 1st-degree (2/19/2014 6:49:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun Except that the angle of bullet entry into Davis' door showed it was open. [image]http://i1275.photobucket.com/albums/y441/Uther3/Dunn%20Trial/DavisBullets_zpscf32ed79.jpg[/image] I agree that the change in angle does not prove that the door was open.

Owner59 -> RE: Jury couldn't agree on 1st-degree (2/19/2014 6:59:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rule FR I would like to have the death penalty for everyone who plays LOUD music or who smokes. This is easy to believe....

kdsub -> RE: Jury couldn't agree on 1st-degree (2/19/2014 7:04:44 PM)
I'm not sure what the point is with the angles but I can tell you the door in your example is not open... that is a terrible attempt with Photoshop to make the door look opened.. otherwise crap. Butch

Raiikun -> RE: Jury couldn't agree on 1st-degree (2/20/2014 12:20:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub I'm not sure what the point is with the angles but I can tell you the door in your example is not open... that is a terrible attempt with Photoshop to make the door look opened.. otherwise crap. Butch It's not supposed to be a realistic photoshop job, just a demonstration of angles.

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