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RE: The Conservatives in Arizona have a plan... - 2/22/2014 3:02:02 AM   
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Best comment I've seen on this so far comes from a pizzeria in Tucson:





Yes, that's from Rocco's Pizzeria

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In response to a bill that would allow businesses to refuse service based on sexual orientation, Rocco DiGrazia, owner of Rocco's Little Chicago Pizzeria, posted a sign in his window that reads "We reserve the right to refuse service to Arizona legislators."

"I was appalled by the senate passing the law," he said. "So, I put something on Facebook saying we're not gonna serve Arizona legislators." A customer then emailed DiGrazia a sign, which he printed out and posted.

Since the sign was posted Thursday, DiGrazia said he has gotten thousands of likes on Facebook and retweets on Twitter, and has received emails from across the globe. He's even been asked where people can get the sign to take to a Phoenix rally.

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DiGrazia said the pizzeria has gotten more customers today because of his stance. However, he's not trying to be a political activist or a hero. "I just did something I thought was a step in the right direction to combat the behavior in Phoenix that I don't condone."

Rocco's has a large gay customer base, as well as some gay wait staff, DiGrazia said. "Why discriminate against anybody? I'm just trying to make some food."

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RE: The Conservatives in Arizona have a plan... - 2/22/2014 3:57:27 AM   
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That`s not what they are doing in AZ.......

Your dishonesty doesn`t have the same novelty it used to.......

I didn't claim it was what they were doing in Arizona. You're making shit up again. I was addressing the broader issue that was raised. The trick is to actually read the posts in a thread, you see? Try it, you'll get it. It just takes time. More for some people, of course, but practice makes perfect.



The broader issue your pushing is the view that discrimination is 'ok'. Tell me Kirata, what is the next step after discrimination? Oh, that's right...HATED. And what does hatred bring, Kirata?

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RE: The Conservatives in Arizona have a plan... - 2/22/2014 4:47:18 AM   
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The broader issue your pushing is the view that discrimination is 'ok'. Tell me Kirata, what is the next step after discrimination? Oh, that's right...HATED. And what does hatred bring, Kirata?

The broader issue I was commenting on was freedom of association, so spare me your faux definitions and crystal-ball hysterics.

K.


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RE: The Conservatives in Arizona have a plan... - 2/22/2014 5:22:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Zonie63
Yes, that's from Rocco's Pizzeria
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In response to a bill that would allow businesses to refuse service based on sexual orientation, Rocco DiGrazia, owner of Rocco's Little Chicago Pizzeria, posted a sign in his window that reads "We reserve the right to refuse service to Arizona legislators."
"I was appalled by the senate passing the law," he said. "So, I put something on Facebook saying we're not gonna serve Arizona legislators." A customer then emailed DiGrazia a sign, which he printed out and posted.
Since the sign was posted Thursday, DiGrazia said he has gotten thousands of likes on Facebook and retweets on Twitter, and has received emails from across the globe. He's even been asked where people can get the sign to take to a Phoenix rally.
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DiGrazia said the pizzeria has gotten more customers today because of his stance. However, he's not trying to be a political activist or a hero. "I just did something I thought was a step in the right direction to combat the behavior in Phoenix that I don't condone."
Rocco's has a large gay customer base, as well as some gay wait staff, DiGrazia said. "Why discriminate against anybody? I'm just trying to make some food."


That's what I'm talking about!


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RE: The Conservatives in Arizona have a plan... - 2/22/2014 5:23:41 AM   
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That`s not what they are doing in AZ.......
Your dishonesty doesn`t have the same novelty it used to.......

I didn't claim it was what they were doing in Arizona. You're making shit up again. I was addressing the broader issue that was raised. The trick is to actually read the posts in a thread, you see? Try it, you'll get it. It just takes time. More for some people, of course, but practice makes perfect.

The broader issue your pushing is the view that discrimination is 'ok'. Tell me Kirata, what is the next step after discrimination? Oh, that's right...HATED. And what does hatred bring, Kirata?


I'm sure forcing a person to do something against his/her will won't bring any hatred...


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RE: The Conservatives in Arizona have a plan... - 2/22/2014 6:30:26 AM   
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I don't have a problem with a business owner making the decision not to serve gays. In fact I think they should put a sign in their window stating that so I know to take my money elsewhere. I don't understand why someone would want to support a business that takes this stand, yet not only do they want to, they go to court for the right to do so. Sorry but I don't like giving my hard earned cash to bigots. While I think they have the right to feel the way they do for what ever reason, I also have the right to shop elsewhere. I am sure there is a gay friendly equivalent that would welcome the extra business.

And if there isn't? What about towns with one pharmacy? or some other service? Would you be so sanguine then?


There is that internet thingy...

So, what you would have is an underserved portion of the population. Know what the Market calls that? Opportunity

Some entrepreneur will see the opportunity and take advantage of it. This will also likely place economic pressure on the discriminating business, to change or fail.

Boy, that would surely suck if the Market were allowed to work...


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RE: The Conservatives in Arizona have a plan... - 2/22/2014 6:31:39 AM   
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Why do people keep buying into that ignorant shit? Particularly when all of history demonstrates it is fucking fantasy?

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RE: The Conservatives in Arizona have a plan... - 2/22/2014 6:33:26 AM   
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RE: The Conservatives in Arizona have a plan... - 2/22/2014 6:36:28 AM   
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the mythical market has obviously fucked the minds of the believers


Thanks for demonstrating that you have nothing to add to the conversation, Lucy.


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RE: The Conservatives in Arizona have a plan... - 2/22/2014 6:37:31 AM   
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LMAO thankyou so much
and given your penchant for compassionless bullshit
Right back atcha

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RE: The Conservatives in Arizona have a plan... - 2/22/2014 6:37:41 AM   
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RE: The Conservatives in Arizona have a plan... - 2/22/2014 6:39:56 AM   
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That`s not what they are doing in AZ.......

Your dishonesty doesn`t have the same novelty it used to.......

I didn't claim it was what they were doing in Arizona. You're making shit up again. I was addressing the broader issue that was raised. The trick is to actually read the posts in a thread, you see? Try it, you'll get it. It just takes time. More for some people, of course, but practice makes perfect.



The broader issue your pushing is the view that discrimination is 'ok'. Tell me Kirata, what is the next step after discrimination? Oh, that's right...HATED. And what does hatred bring, Kirata?



What does hating on the right bring you?

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RE: The Conservatives in Arizona have a plan... - 2/22/2014 6:51:22 AM   
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Oh I did?
LMAO thankyou so much
and given your penchant for compassionless bullshit
Right back atcha


"Compassionless?"

Hardly.

I support business that discriminate going under, if the public so decides. Oh, wait. That is compassionless.


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RE: The Conservatives in Arizona have a plan... - 2/22/2014 6:55:39 AM   
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RE: The Conservatives in Arizona have a plan... - 2/22/2014 6:56:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		So, your issue is with the method then of their going under?  The people of the US and their laws are pretty much just as good at flushing them down the shitter as is a 'market' death, and much faster.



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RE: The Conservatives in Arizona have a plan... - 2/22/2014 7:05:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		What if the discrimination is politically correct? For example, the pizzeria owner refusing to serve Arizona legislators? Or a Jewish business owner refusing to serve neo-nazis?

Some bakeries are now forced to make cakes for gay couples. Why not have the same laws for the publishing industry? They discriminate against an author every time they turn down a book. Why aren't they required to show that their decisions are PC?

Just to be clear, homophobes are ignorant. I just wanted to point out the inherent flaws in this type of legislation.

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RE: The Conservatives in Arizona have a plan... - 2/22/2014 7:16:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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I don't have a problem with a business owner making the decision not to serve gays. In fact I think they should put a sign in their window stating that so I know to take my money elsewhere. I don't understand why someone would want to support a business that takes this stand, yet not only do they want to, they go to court for the right to do so. Sorry but I don't like giving my hard earned cash to bigots. While I think they have the right to feel the way they do for what ever reason, I also have the right to shop elsewhere. I am sure there is a gay friendly equivalent that would welcome the extra business.

And if there isn't? What about towns with one pharmacy? or some other service? Would you be so sanguine then?


There is that internet thingy...

So, what you would have is an underserved portion of the population. Know what the Market calls that? Opportunity

Some entrepreneur will see the opportunity and take advantage of it. This will also likely place economic pressure on the discriminating business, to change or fail.

Boy, that would surely suck if the Market were allowed to work...


Do you know any black people older than about 60? Ask them if they ever traveled before 1970. See how the market worked for them.

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RE: The Conservatives in Arizona have a plan... - 2/22/2014 7:26:36 AM   
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I don't have a problem with a business owner making the decision not to serve gays. In fact I think they should put a sign in their window stating that so I know to take my money elsewhere. I don't understand why someone would want to support a business that takes this stand, yet not only do they want to, they go to court for the right to do so. Sorry but I don't like giving my hard earned cash to bigots. While I think they have the right to feel the way they do for what ever reason, I also have the right to shop elsewhere. I am sure there is a gay friendly equivalent that would welcome the extra business.

And if there isn't? What about towns with one pharmacy? or some other service? Would you be so sanguine then?

There is that internet thingy...
So, what you would have is an underserved portion of the population. Know what the Market calls that? Opportunity
Some entrepreneur will see the opportunity and take advantage of it. This will also likely place economic pressure on the discriminating business, to change or fail.
Boy, that would surely suck if the Market were allowed to work...

Do you know any black people older than about 60? Ask them if they ever traveled before 1970. See how the market worked for them.


Have you not noticed that things have changed? I have acknowledged that the conditions were such that Government needed to act. I even stated that it was a sad commentary that government had to act. Perhaps you haven't noticed, but, in general, society isn't as discriminatory as it was then.

The changes that have happened in the infrastructure of the US (and world) certainly makes the landscape different and more even, regardless of racism.

Some dumbass punk gets killed across the country, and you can hear about it within hours. How quickly do we hear of events in Sochi? FFS, we can see them real-time, if we want. It's an awful lot harder to get away with bullshit now than it was back then. You seem to want to live as if the past realities are still in effect when they are not.

You want the US Constitution changed to reflect changing realities, but don't want government action to change with changing realities. Go figure.

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RE: The Conservatives in Arizona have a plan... - 2/22/2014 7:29:37 AM   
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And if there isn't? What about towns with one pharmacy? or some other service? Would you be so sanguine then?

So, what you would have is an underserved portion of the population. Know what the Market calls that? Opportunity

Well, hold on. Not so fast. Yes it's an "opportunity," but not the one you think. It's an opportunity to be a human being.

If you're the only pharmacy in town and someone needs medication that they can't wait for an Internet seller to ship, or maybe they don't even have a computer, you fucking fill the prescription. Fuck your religion. I don't mind Catholic hospitals declining to offer abortion services, but if a woman turns up in the ER who is going to die if her pregnancy isn't terminated, you fucking terminate it.

There is nothing moral (or in my view even "religious") about keeping your oh so precious soul "pure" at the expense of other people's lives. Freedom of association and freedom of religion have limits. It's the classic your arm versus my nose. Hurt my feelings, fine. Put my life at risk, no.

K.

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RE: The Conservatives in Arizona have a plan... - 2/22/2014 7:34:08 AM   
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in general, society isn't as discriminatory as it was then.


Oh really??
I think this bill proves otherwise
the question is, why should you be allowed to discriminate because of your religious objections only??
and so many yowls about muslims being jerks....
anti gay discrimination is discrimination, not equality, not fair, and typical ignorance in standing up for it

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