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RE: The Conservatives in Arizona have a plan... - 3/1/2014 9:47:05 AM

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When will some folks figure out that Republican =/= conservative. Republicans have become their own kind of loon and abandoned the conservative creed of 35 years ago.

Never.

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RE: The Conservatives in Arizona have a plan... - 3/1/2014 9:51:01 AM

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Actually, quite a few more years than 35 years ago.

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RE: The Conservatives in Arizona have a plan... - 3/1/2014 9:20:56 PM

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Governor Brewer is speaking right now. She announced that she vetoed the bill.

Well that's a sure fire way to kill this thread. How can anyone hate on the conservatives when one of their own stopped this. How dare she.

Of course the fact remains that other religious right loons are doing the same thing in state legislatures all over the country and were instrumental in getting Uganda's law making homosexuality a crime punishable by life imprisonment passed so maybe you shouldn't be quite so fast to pat yourself on the back.

Why do you support people who hate you?

Because I am not stupid enough to believe that the homophobes are only on the right side. Why do you continue to buy into that lie?

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RE: The Conservatives in Arizona have a plan... - 3/1/2014 10:41:33 PM

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Governor Brewer is speaking right now. She announced that she vetoed the bill.

Well that's a sure fire way to kill this thread. How can anyone hate on the conservatives when one of their own stopped this. How dare she.

Of course the fact remains that other religious right loons are doing the same thing in state legislatures all over the country and were instrumental in getting Uganda's law making homosexuality a crime punishable by life imprisonment passed so maybe you shouldn't be quite so fast to pat yourself on the back.

Why do you support people who hate you?

Because I am not stupid enough to believe that the homophobes are only on the right side. Why do you continue to buy into that lie?

Because I've never ever seen a leftist pushing to have homosexuals executed or imprisoned.

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RE: The Conservatives in Arizona have a plan... - 3/2/2014 6:42:40 AM

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Governor Brewer is speaking right now. She announced that she vetoed the bill.

Well that's a sure fire way to kill this thread. How can anyone hate on the conservatives when one of their own stopped this. How dare she.

Of course the fact remains that other religious right loons are doing the same thing in state legislatures all over the country and were instrumental in getting Uganda's law making homosexuality a crime punishable by life imprisonment passed so maybe you shouldn't be quite so fast to pat yourself on the back.

Why do you support people who hate you?

Because I am not stupid enough to believe that the homophobes are only on the right side. Why do you continue to buy into that lie?

Because I've never ever seen a leftist pushing to have homosexuals executed or imprisoned.

Well I have never ever seen a rightist pushing to have a homosexual executed or imprisoned either, so I guess it's all good.

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RE: The Conservatives in Arizona have a plan... - 3/2/2014 6:55:14 AM

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http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/05/25/prostests-planned-after-north-carolina-pastor-says-gays-should-be-put-in-concentration-camps/

I… figured a way to get rid of all the lesbians and queers, but I couldn’t get it past the Congress. Build a great big large fence, hundred… fifty or a hundred-mile long. Put all the lesbians in there. Fly over and drop some food. Do the same thing with the queers and the homosexuals. And have that fence electrified till they can’t get out. Feed ‘em and… and you know what, in a few years they’ll die out. D’you know why? They can’t reproduce. If a man ever has a young’n, praise god it will be the first one.
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God have mercy, it makes me pukin’ sick to think about… I don’t even whether you ought to say this in the pulpit or not… can you imagine kissing some man?

you really want me to put up more?

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RE: The Conservatives in Arizona have a plan... - 3/2/2014 7:00:43 AM

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http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/05/25/prostests-planned-after-north-carolina-pastor-says-gays-should-be-put-in-concentration-camps/

I… figured a way to get rid of all the lesbians and queers, but I couldn’t get it past the Congress. Build a great big large fence, hundred… fifty or a hundred-mile long. Put all the lesbians in there. Fly over and drop some food. Do the same thing with the queers and the homosexuals. And have that fence electrified till they can’t get out. Feed ‘em and… and you know what, in a few years they’ll die out. D’you know why? They can’t reproduce. If a man ever has a young’n, praise god it will be the first one.
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God have mercy, it makes me pukin’ sick to think about… I don’t even whether you ought to say this in the pulpit or not… can you imagine kissing some man?

you really want me to put up more?

You can put up all the links you want. It won't change my position or make me want to join the left side. Much like racism in the US I am not stupid enough to think there are no homophobes out there either. Now if you and DK want to believe that it only happens on the right, that is fine with me. Just don't expect me to buy into that bullshit.

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RE: The Conservatives in Arizona have a plan... - 3/2/2014 7:10:50 AM

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I never said that
I just showed you a rightist that does indeed want what you said wasnt happening.
that you cant accept that is wilful ignorance.
bulshit is closer to the mark

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RE: The Conservatives in Arizona have a plan... - 3/2/2014 7:20:39 AM

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http://townhall.com/columnists/mattbarber/2014/02/24/sexobsessed-lefty-horrified-by-toxic-purity-culture-n1799552/page/full

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/02/26/fox-news-has-a-nasty-anti-gay-hangover/198236

http://mediamatters.org/research/2014/02/26/conservative-media-are-outraged-that-arizonas-a/198248
there are relative links to the actual information if media matters is tooo biased for you
but the townhall one is classic ....

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RE: The Conservatives in Arizona have a plan... - 3/2/2014 9:56:17 AM

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I do believe that, from a legal standpoint, it is forbidden to discriminate against a person based on race. sex,color, creed, or national origin. There is not a prohibition about sexual preference.

Discrimination, in a business standpoint, is simply deciding whom you are going to do business with.
The smelly, ranting, homeless chap is not welcome in MacDonalds. Discrimination based on personal hygiene, economic status, and conversational choice. If you go to an upscale business dressed in your ratty old clothing used for yard work' you WILL be ignored at the least.

Every person discriminates based on many cultural factors. In Arizona they have held up a big sign saying "We think a business discriminating based on sexual preference is legal". That is their right to decide and as long as the military discriminates based on sexual preference there is not a lot of ammunition to get a federal override to local law on the subject.

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RE: The Conservatives in Arizona have a plan... - 3/2/2014 11:29:31 AM

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Well I have never ever seen a rightist pushing to have a homosexual executed or imprisoned either, so I guess it's all good.

Lucy has adequately demonstrated your hypocrisy on that claim I hope.

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RE: The Conservatives in Arizona have a plan... - 3/3/2014 5:24:06 AM

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Well I have never ever seen a rightist pushing to have a homosexual executed or imprisoned either, so I guess it's all good.

Lucy has adequately demonstrated your hypocrisy on that claim I hope.

well I am sure it was good enough for you and that's all that counts. Now you can go back to believing that the only evil in this country is on the right side and all the little libs just love everybody. Maybe at the next meeting they will let you stir the koolaid.

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RE: The Conservatives in Arizona have a plan... - 3/3/2014 6:41:20 AM

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I do believe that, from a legal standpoint, it is forbidden to discriminate against a person based on race. sex,color, creed, or national origin. There is not a prohibition about sexual preference.

I think you will find that sexual preference is going to be deemed sex.

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RE: The Conservatives in Arizona have a plan... - 3/3/2014 6:47:25 AM

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I do believe that, from a legal standpoint, it is forbidden to discriminate against a person based on race. sex,color, creed, or national origin. There is not a prohibition about sexual preference.

I think you will find that sexual preference is going to be deemed sex.

Even if you're hiring sheep herders?

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RE: The Conservatives in Arizona have a plan... - 3/3/2014 6:47:54 AM

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I do believe that, from a legal standpoint, it is forbidden to discriminate against a person based on race. sex,color, creed, or national origin. There is not a prohibition about sexual preference.

I think you will find that sexual preference is going to be deemed sex.

Sorry Ron. The law specifically refers to gender, not sexual preference.

Sux but that's the way it is.

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RE: The Conservatives in Arizona have a plan... - 3/3/2014 7:11:20 AM

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I don't have a problem with a business owner making the decision not to serve gays. In fact I think they should put a sign in their window stating that so I know to take my money elsewhere. I don't understand why someone would want to support a business that takes this stand, yet not only do they want to, they go to court for the right to do so. Sorry but I don't like giving my hard earned cash to bigots. While I think they have the right to feel the way they do for what ever reason, I also have the right to shop elsewhere. I am sure there is a gay friendly equivalent that would welcome the extra business.

And if there isn't? What about towns with one pharmacy? or some other service? Would you be so sanguine then?

And if your Chevy breaks down in a town with only one garage and it only works on Fords the Federal government should force that Ford mechanic to fix your Chevy? I don't think so.

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RE: The Conservatives in Arizona have a plan... - 3/3/2014 7:30:57 AM

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I don't have a problem with a business owner making the decision not to serve gays. In fact I think they should put a sign in their window stating that so I know to take my money elsewhere. I don't understand why someone would want to support a business that takes this stand, yet not only do they want to, they go to court for the right to do so. Sorry but I don't like giving my hard earned cash to bigots. While I think they have the right to feel the way they do for what ever reason, I also have the right to shop elsewhere. I am sure there is a gay friendly equivalent that would welcome the extra business.

And if there isn't? What about towns with one pharmacy? or some other service? Would you be so sanguine then?

And if your Chevy breaks down in a town with only one garage and it only works on Fords the Federal government should force that Ford mechanic to fix your Chevy? I don't think so.

No, I'd say the owner of that garage was a fucking incompetent who had no business working on anything more complex than a paper airplane.

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RE: The Conservatives in Arizona have a plan... - 3/3/2014 8:21:59 AM

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You can put up all the links you want. It won't change my position....

Well, that's honest, at least.

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RE: The Conservatives in Arizona have a plan... - 3/3/2014 8:39:48 AM

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I do believe that, from a legal standpoint, it is forbidden to discriminate against a person based on race. sex,color, creed, or national origin. There is not a prohibition about sexual preference.

I think you will find that sexual preference is going to be deemed sex.

Sorry Ron. The law specifically refers to gender, not sexual preference.

Sux but that's the way it is.

EEOC 1964 does not apply here, it is a 14th amendment. And it didnt say male and female and hermaprodites, so sex is sorta an open casting call, way it appears to me. Wasnt there a bitch about a felon in prison where the state was ordered to pay for sex reassignment surgery recently, ad nauseam?

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RE: The Conservatives in Arizona have a plan... - 3/3/2014 9:19:19 AM

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EEOC 1964 does not apply here, it is a 14th amendment. And it didnt say male and female and hermaprodites, so sex is sorta an open casting call, way it appears to me. Wasnt there a bitch about a felon in prison where the state was ordered to pay for sex reassignment surgery recently, ad nauseam?

We're talking about 2 different things in this thread.

Gender and sexual orientation.

Sexual orientation is what the AZ lawmakers have their panties in a bunch about.
Gender is what the anti discrimination laws are about.
Remember, Transgendered =/= gay so the state paid SRS isn't a valid argument when it comes to discussions of sexuality. That is a gender argument.

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