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mnottertail -> RE: The Conservatives in Arizona have a plan... (3/3/2014 9:22:41 AM)
Yeah, and I am saying from what I espy going on, sex is not a gender only argument, and federally, is not being treated as a gender argument, and the states will have to fall in line.

Whippedboy -> RE: The Conservatives in Arizona have a plan... (3/3/2014 9:46:16 AM)
Hilarious that dumb bitch vetoed the bill. Now the people who voted FOR it are left standing there with their dicks out!

mnottertail -> RE: The Conservatives in Arizona have a plan... (3/3/2014 10:01:51 AM)
Which is hilarious also.

DesideriScuri -> RE: The Conservatives in Arizona have a plan... (3/3/2014 11:03:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Whippedboy Hilarious that dumb bitch vetoed the bill. Now the people who voted FOR it are left standing there with their dicks out! Terrible how people were allowed to freely identify their beliefs, wasn't it? [8\|]

Tkman117 -> RE: The Conservatives in Arizona have a plan... (3/3/2014 12:12:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Whippedboy Hilarious that dumb bitch vetoed the bill. Now the people who voted FOR it are left standing there with their dicks out! Terrible how people were allowed to freely identify their beliefs, wasn't it? [8\|] People can identify their beliefs all they want, but as soon as they start trying to shove it down people's throats and taking away their civil or human rights, they cross a major line which a lot of people around the world don't agree with. No one is stopping others from privately practicing their religion, if they did then their religious freedoms would easily be considered under attack. There is no good reason why you can to force other people to abide by YOUR religion, since religion should be a personal thing, not something you force on others. If your religion doesn't agree with drugs, don't do drugs. If your religion doesn't agree with abortion, don't have an abortion. The same can be said for any number of issues. Religion can have an effect on YOUR life, but YOUR religion does not and should not have an effect on OTHERS.

DesideriScuri -> RE: The Conservatives in Arizona have a plan... (3/3/2014 1:00:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tkman117 quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Whippedboy Hilarious that dumb bitch vetoed the bill. Now the people who voted FOR it are left standing there with their dicks out! Terrible how people were allowed to freely identify their beliefs, wasn't it? [8\|] People can identify their beliefs all they want, but as soon as they start trying to shove it down people's throats and taking away their civil or human rights, they cross a major line which a lot of people around the world don't agree with. No one is stopping others from privately practicing their religion, if they did then their religious freedoms would easily be considered under attack. There is no good reason why you can to force other people to abide by YOUR religion, since religion should be a personal thing, not something you force on others. If your religion doesn't agree with drugs, don't do drugs. If your religion doesn't agree with abortion, don't have an abortion. The same can be said for any number of issues. Religion can have an effect on YOUR life, but YOUR religion does not and should not have an effect on OTHERS. Careful where you go with that, Tkman. Brewer vetoed it. She will have to face the consequences (good or bad) for that. Those that supported the legislation will have to face the consequences (good or bad) for that. Those that didn't support the legislation will have to face the consequences (good or bad) for that. I detest things having to be politically correct. I would much rather someone be allowed to speak his/her mind so that we know who we're dealing with. Allowing a business to decide how it's going to be run, and what clientele it wants is a great way for the general public to figure out who the people are that are running the business, and can, then, decide if they want to support that business or not. If there was a bakery that (legally) refused to allow blacks in, what do you think would happen to that business? Would it see an increase in customers, a decrease in customers or no change in customers? IMO, it would lose more non-black customers than it would gain (I have to shake my head at the ignorance, but I won't dismiss that there will be those that go there because they won't serve blacks). It would lose any business of mine that it could have had, too.

mnottertail -> RE: The Conservatives in Arizona have a plan... (3/3/2014 1:05:21 PM)
I am aware of no law in this land that bars a business owner from discriminating against anything, so long as they do not do among the several (interstate commerce) in like fashion, I know of no law against anyone suing them for discriminating and getting damages. So, thats really where it is.

Tkman117 -> RE: The Conservatives in Arizona have a plan... (3/3/2014 1:11:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Tkman117 quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Whippedboy Hilarious that dumb bitch vetoed the bill. Now the people who voted FOR it are left standing there with their dicks out! Terrible how people were allowed to freely identify their beliefs, wasn't it? [8\|] People can identify their beliefs all they want, but as soon as they start trying to shove it down people's throats and taking away their civil or human rights, they cross a major line which a lot of people around the world don't agree with. No one is stopping others from privately practicing their religion, if they did then their religious freedoms would easily be considered under attack. There is no good reason why you can to force other people to abide by YOUR religion, since religion should be a personal thing, not something you force on others. If your religion doesn't agree with drugs, don't do drugs. If your religion doesn't agree with abortion, don't have an abortion. The same can be said for any number of issues. Religion can have an effect on YOUR life, but YOUR religion does not and should not have an effect on OTHERS. Careful where you go with that, Tkman. Brewer vetoed it. She will have to face the consequences (good or bad) for that. Those that supported the legislation will have to face the consequences (good or bad) for that. Those that didn't support the legislation will have to face the consequences (good or bad) for that. I detest things having to be politically correct. I would much rather someone be allowed to speak his/her mind so that we know who we're dealing with. Allowing a business to decide how it's going to be run, and what clientele it wants is a great way for the general public to figure out who the people are that are running the business, and can, then, decide if they want to support that business or not. If there was a bakery that (legally) refused to allow blacks in, what do you think would happen to that business? Would it see an increase in customers, a decrease in customers or no change in customers? IMO, it would lose more non-black customers than it would gain (I have to shake my head at the ignorance, but I won't dismiss that there will be those that go there because they won't serve blacks). It would lose any business of mine that it could have had, too. Political correctness isn't about preventing people from speaking his or her mind, free speech doesn't enforce political correctness, or vice versa. This is about rights, not where certain people stand on various issues. Do you think businesses had it within their rights to deny black people service back in the early 1900s? Maybe the Irish before that? Maybe at the time, but these days when we think of that it's disgusting, so why should we tolerate that same kind of actions against a different minority group today? I'm fairly that equality is a human right, and what you're discussing seems to be in contest to that.

Lucylastic -> RE: The Conservatives in Arizona have a plan... (3/3/2014 1:16:33 PM)
Less than 24 hours after Arizona’s governor vetoed a bill that had been criticized as anti-gay, similar legislation in Georgia and Mississippi are hitting new roadblocks. Georgia state senator Josh McKoon conceded on Thursday that support for his religious-freedom bill is evaporating, 11Alive Atlanta reports. He told the Huffington Post that a committee vote on his legislation, previously scheduled for next Monday, has been taken off the calendar. McKoon said his bill merely protects religious rights of Georgia residents, but critics argued it would allow business owners to refuse services to gays based on religious beliefs. In Mississippi, the state House of Representatives Civil Subcommittee stripped key provisions on Wednesday that had been attacked by the ACLU as discriminatory. The organization said the legislation would allow for even broader discrimination than the SB 1062 bill that was vetoed in Arizona, according to the Mississippi Business Journal. Lawmakers in several other states, including Missouri, Illinois, South Dakota, Oregon and Hawaii, have proposed legislation that would also permit refusal of services to homosexual residents. Read more: Georgia, Mississippi Follow Arizona by Blocking Bills Seen as Anti-Gay \| TIME.com http://nation.time.com/2014/02/27/georgia-mississippi-arizona-veto-sb1062/#ixzz2uvykQiuW

DomKen -> RE: The Conservatives in Arizona have a plan... (3/3/2014 1:21:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi Well I have never ever seen a rightist pushing to have a homosexual executed or imprisoned either, so I guess it's all good. Lucy has adequately demonstrated your hypocrisy on that claim I hope. well I am sure it was good enough for you and that's all that counts. Now you can go back to believing that the only evil in this country is on the right side and all the little libs just love everybody. Maybe at the next meeting they will let you stir the koolaid. So it is demonstrated to you that there are people on the right who would like to kill and imprison you and you continue to deny their existence. Truly amazing.

DomKen -> RE: The Conservatives in Arizona have a plan... (3/3/2014 1:24:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Tkman117 quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Whippedboy Hilarious that dumb bitch vetoed the bill. Now the people who voted FOR it are left standing there with their dicks out! Terrible how people were allowed to freely identify their beliefs, wasn't it? [8\|] People can identify their beliefs all they want, but as soon as they start trying to shove it down people's throats and taking away their civil or human rights, they cross a major line which a lot of people around the world don't agree with. No one is stopping others from privately practicing their religion, if they did then their religious freedoms would easily be considered under attack. There is no good reason why you can to force other people to abide by YOUR religion, since religion should be a personal thing, not something you force on others. If your religion doesn't agree with drugs, don't do drugs. If your religion doesn't agree with abortion, don't have an abortion. The same can be said for any number of issues. Religion can have an effect on YOUR life, but YOUR religion does not and should not have an effect on OTHERS. Careful where you go with that, Tkman. Brewer vetoed it. She will have to face the consequences (good or bad) for that. Those that supported the legislation will have to face the consequences (good or bad) for that. Those that didn't support the legislation will have to face the consequences (good or bad) for that. I detest things having to be politically correct. I would much rather someone be allowed to speak his/her mind so that we know who we're dealing with. Allowing a business to decide how it's going to be run, and what clientele it wants is a great way for the general public to figure out who the people are that are running the business, and can, then, decide if they want to support that business or not. If there was a bakery that (legally) refused to allow blacks in, what do you think would happen to that business? Would it see an increase in customers, a decrease in customers or no change in customers? IMO, it would lose more non-black customers than it would gain (I have to shake my head at the ignorance, but I won't dismiss that there will be those that go there because they won't serve blacks). It would lose any business of mine that it could have had, too. I grew up not very far at all from the former site of Pickrick's. You might want to look into it before making such claims.

Owner59 -> RE: The Conservatives in Arizona have a plan... (3/3/2014 9:30:17 PM)
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DesideriScuri -> RE: The Conservatives in Arizona have a plan... (3/4/2014 6:32:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tkman117 Political correctness isn't about preventing people from speaking his or her mind, free speech doesn't enforce political correctness, or vice versa. This is about rights, not where certain people stand on various issues. Do you think businesses had it within their rights to deny black people service back in the early 1900s? Maybe the Irish before that? Maybe at the time, but these days when we think of that it's disgusting, so why should we tolerate that same kind of actions against a different minority group today? I'm fairly that equality is a human right, and what you're discussing seems to be in contest to that. Yeah, political correctness certainly does prevent people from speaking their minds. That's the whole point of political correctness. And, comparing the discrimination of yesteryear to today is ridiculous. Discriminating against blacks now would be a disaster for the business, not an oppression on the blacks, as it was more likely to be back then.

DesideriScuri -> RE: The Conservatives in Arizona have a plan... (3/4/2014 6:33:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen I grew up not very far at all from the former site of Pickrick's. You might want to look into it before making such claims. I made no claim about Pickrick's.

DesideriScuri -> RE: The Conservatives in Arizona have a plan... (3/4/2014 6:35:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi Well I have never ever seen a rightist pushing to have a homosexual executed or imprisoned either, so I guess it's all good. Lucy has adequately demonstrated your hypocrisy on that claim I hope. well I am sure it was good enough for you and that's all that counts. Now you can go back to believing that the only evil in this country is on the right side and all the little libs just love everybody. Maybe at the next meeting they will let you stir the koolaid. So it is demonstrated to you that there are people on the right who would like to kill and imprison you and you continue to deny their existence. Truly amazing. Where is that denial? The only denial is the denial of evil in the country also happens in the Left.

DomKen -> RE: The Conservatives in Arizona have a plan... (3/4/2014 6:39:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen I grew up not very far at all from the former site of Pickrick's. You might want to look into it before making such claims. I made no claim about Pickrick's. You claimed quote: If there was a bakery that (legally) refused to allow blacks in, what do you think would happen to that business? Would it see an increase in customers, a decrease in customers or no change in customers? IMO, it would lose more non-black customers than it would gain Pickrick's served a working class neighborhood near Georgia Tech's campus and adamantly refused to integrate and did very good business right up to the day Wallace sold it. Some whites ate there because it wasn't integrated and some ate there because it was simply convenient.

DesideriScuri -> RE: The Conservatives in Arizona have a plan... (3/4/2014 7:01:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen I grew up not very far at all from the former site of Pickrick's. You might want to look into it before making such claims. I made no claim about Pickrick's. You claimed quote: If there was a bakery that (legally) refused to allow blacks in, what do you think would happen to that business? Would it see an increase in customers, a decrease in customers or no change in customers? IMO, it would lose more non-black customers than it would gain Pickrick's served a working class neighborhood near Georgia Tech's campus and adamantly refused to integrate and did very good business right up to the day Wallace sold it. Some whites ate there because it wasn't integrated and some ate there because it was simply convenient. What was it I said to TK about comparing racism of yesteryear to racism of today? Now, I wasn't explicit about the timeframe of my assertion, but it was about a modern time. You know, like current. I wasn't even alive in 1965, so before Maddox closed it, he couldn't have had any of my business. But, do go on.

DomKen -> RE: The Conservatives in Arizona have a plan... (3/4/2014 8:00:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen I grew up not very far at all from the former site of Pickrick's. You might want to look into it before making such claims. I made no claim about Pickrick's. You claimed quote: If there was a bakery that (legally) refused to allow blacks in, what do you think would happen to that business? Would it see an increase in customers, a decrease in customers or no change in customers? IMO, it would lose more non-black customers than it would gain Pickrick's served a working class neighborhood near Georgia Tech's campus and adamantly refused to integrate and did very good business right up to the day Wallace sold it. Some whites ate there because it wasn't integrated and some ate there because it was simply convenient. What was it I said to TK about comparing racism of yesteryear to racism of today? Now, I wasn't explicit about the timeframe of my assertion, but it was about a modern time. You know, like current. I wasn't even alive in 1965, so before Maddox closed it, he couldn't have had any of my business. But, do go on. This business seems to be thriving http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/02/07/oklahoma-restaurant-wont-serve-freaks-fggots-the-disabled-and-welfare-recipients/

Tkman117 -> RE: The Conservatives in Arizona have a plan... (3/4/2014 8:34:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Tkman117 Political correctness isn't about preventing people from speaking his or her mind, free speech doesn't enforce political correctness, or vice versa. This is about rights, not where certain people stand on various issues. Do you think businesses had it within their rights to deny black people service back in the early 1900s? Maybe the Irish before that? Maybe at the time, but these days when we think of that it's disgusting, so why should we tolerate that same kind of actions against a different minority group today? I'm fairly that equality is a human right, and what you're discussing seems to be in contest to that. Yeah, political correctness certainly does prevent people from speaking their minds. That's the whole point of political correctness. And, comparing the discrimination of yesteryear to today is ridiculous. Discriminating against blacks now would be a disaster for the business, not an oppression on the blacks, as it was more likely to be back then. If political correctness prevents people from speaking their minds, how come we still have all this shit being spewed all over the place: Also, this is not about the business, you don't seem to understand that. Its not all about economics, it's not all about money, it's about human decency and equality. Every person on earth is technically equal according to human rights, when someone discriminates others based on that, it's denying them a basic human right. No one wants to be discriminated against, even if the shop owner being discriminatory isn't getting very good business and even if in the long run it isn't a good business plan. There is more to this world then economics. [image]local://upfiles/1422030/E7425D04DCDD41B19CB48353CE893744.jpg[/image]

Yachtie -> RE: The Conservatives in Arizona have a plan... (3/4/2014 9:03:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tkman117 Every person on earth is technically equal according to human rights, when someone discriminates others based on that, it's denying them a basic human right. The problem there is that people define such human rights differently. It's a wide catch-all phrase having various nuanced meanings depending upon whom you ask. You make it seem like a one size fits all. It doesn't.

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