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DesideriScuri -> RE: The Conservatives in Arizona have a plan... (3/4/2014 4:21:06 PM)
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Political correctness isn't about preventing people from speaking his or her mind, free speech doesn't enforce political correctness, or vice versa. This is about rights, not where certain people stand on various issues. Do you think businesses had it within their rights to deny black people service back in the early 1900s? Maybe the Irish before that? Maybe at the time, but these days when we think of that it's disgusting, so why should we tolerate that same kind of actions against a different minority group today? I'm fairly that equality is a human right, and what you're discussing seems to be in contest to that.
Yeah, political correctness certainly does prevent people from speaking their minds. That's the whole point of political correctness.
And, comparing the discrimination of yesteryear to today is ridiculous. Discriminating against blacks now would be a disaster for the business, not an oppression on the blacks, as it was more likely to be back then.
If political correctness prevents people from speaking their minds, how come we still have all this shit being spewed all over the place:
Also, this is not about the business, you don't seem to understand that. Its not all about economics, it's not all about money, it's about human decency and equality. Every person on earth is technically equal according to human rights, when someone discriminates others based on that, it's denying them a basic human right. No one wants to be discriminated against, even if the shop owner being discriminatory isn't getting very good business and even if in the long run it isn't a good business plan. There is more to this world then economics.
Sorry, the aim of political correctness is prevention. [8|]
You aren't going to legislate morality into someone. That's just not going to happen.
I'm saying that I'd rather have discriminatory beliefs exposed and let the local public take care of it. That's the part you're not getting. The business owner may not even change beliefs after losing enough customers that the business fails. That's fine. He won't be supported by people who disagree with him anymore, though.
I didn't see in the UN's UDHR where it's a right of anyone to eat in any establishment they come across.
Of course we are legislating morality into people, what do you think the women rights movement was about? The freedom of slaves? Black rights and the end of segregation? Those were legislated changes to the way countries worked, and over time it did enforce a certain kind of morality into people. Because people these days hold blacks and women more as equals than they did 200 years ago. Why should the right to hate and be vile be allowed? Again you need to take a step back from the business perspective, that's not the perspective that is being examined right now, it's about equality and being treated like a human being instead of a subhuman mongrel who isn't worth serving.
Sorry, morality wasn't legislated in. That doesn't happen. You aren't going to pass a law and change people's opinions.
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I refer again to article 7
"All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination" there are not going to be any specific laws stating that, don't be silly, but people are considered equal no matter what, and cannot and should not be discriminated against based on that.
That's just it, TK. They can be discriminated against, based on lots of shit. Having a quota to fill in employment is discriminatory. Gated communities discriminate, don't they? Mexican restaurants discriminate against people wanting to eat Italian.
It is a business decision. And, in case you've missed it, while I think it's a business owner's right to decide what clientele he/she wants, I think it's damn stupid to discriminate against potential clientele.
What happens when you force a person to grudgingly serve people he detests? Does that work for the better, in the long run? I'm thinking it doesn't. That angst builds up until the person snaps. Not exactly the best scenario.
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