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Welfare Queens Galore - 2/26/2014 1:03:46 PM   
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RE: Welfare Queens Galore - 2/26/2014 1:10:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		Wal-Mart isn't even mentioned.   We spend a lot on heat subsidy, food stamps and other government services to feed, clothe and keep their employees.


And lets never talk about the other externalities we suffer to provide these poor fuckin corporations like the SuperFund.



 

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RE: Welfare Queens Galore - 2/26/2014 1:43:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Wow amazing never knew that. I wonder if the same exists in Europe.

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RE: Welfare Queens Galore - 2/26/2014 1:52:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, you know, this is the great free market that corporations don't want you to know.   Government interference the wrong way.

When the nutsackers howl about the onerous regulation, the horrific taxes, and the other asswipe they are pushing, notice that corporations do not say a word, they dont bite the hand that feeds them so extravagantly.

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RE: Welfare Queens Galore - 2/26/2014 2:45:35 PM   
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Wal-Mart isn't even mentioned.   We spend a lot on heat subsidy, food stamps and other government services to feed, clothe and keep their employees.


 


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqHHWs4TvUM

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RE: Welfare Queens Galore - 2/26/2014 2:51:04 PM   
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How absurd, that we continue to tolerate this system.


There was no mention of what the subsidies were.

Go to the source of the report and you can look up the various "subsidies" granted. GM has one that is listed as over $1B, but includes a 25-year abatement of property taxes. One has to wonder how that's going to be weighed over the life of the "subsidy."

Also included are tax credits and rebates, which aren't really subsidies.

It's amazing, really, how GM gets billions in "subsidies" and gets a pass, while Big Oil gets $4B total, and is excoriated.

GM and Chrysler get bail outs totally billions and that's okay because of all the jobs it saved in supporting businesses. Yet, when reports like this come out, that's not mentioned.

This is sensationalist journalism. Nothing more. Nothing less.




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RE: Welfare Queens Galore - 2/26/2014 3:04:48 PM   
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How absurd, that we continue to tolerate this system.

imo you cant simply say its all bad.. you have to take each program and application on its own merits.. for instance.. I know someone that works for a non-profit and part of his job is to apply for govt grants.. without the grants and tax free status the employees of the non-profit would not exist, the tax they pay on their income, on their home, on their consumption/purchasing would be lost.. and those low-income clients the non-profit serves would also lose since to get the equivalent in the market likely would cost them more $$$..

another example is (from the link/study info).. companies that build in some cities/counties can apply for property tax abatements (for up to 10 years, on a graduated basis, only if they meet program requirements).. example- Allied Electronics built a distribution center in Ft Worth, TX and created 300 jobs, 275 retained jobs so for a certain time period the company pays lower property taxes.. also when buildings are built you get a large $$$ injection for construction material purchasing & the local spinoff benefits from that.. Imo, the cost of the tax abatement is outweighed by the creation of jobs & money spent locally (by the company).. the City of Ft Worth thinks thats a good investment/trade-off.. so do I..

That said, I don't agree with much of the corporate subsidies & Sylondra type govt handouts.. especially to the hugest corps.. but I don't think its all bad, some are actually good imo..


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RE: Welfare Queens Galore - 2/26/2014 3:17:10 PM   
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Also included are tax credits and rebates, which aren't really subsidies.



Then by your perspective, it would stand to reason that folks on Obamacare receiving tax credits to assist paying their health insurance premiums are not being subsidized.

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RE: Welfare Queens Galore - 2/26/2014 3:54:29 PM   
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Wal-Mart isn't even mentioned.   We spend a lot on heat subsidy, food stamps and other government services to feed, clothe and keep their employees.


And lets never talk about the other externalities we suffer to provide these poor fuckin corporations like the SuperFund.

on the link under the vid there is a "Walmart Subsidy Watch" link.. Walmart has a whole page dedicated just to them! http://www.walmartsubsidywatch.org/

"How Wal-Mart Has Used Public Money in Your State
A secret behind Wal-Mart’s rapid expansion in the United States has been its extensive use of public money. This includes more than $1.2 billion in tax breaks, free land, infrastructure assistance, low-cost financing and outright grants from state and local governments around the country. In addition, taxpayers indirectly subsidize the company by paying the healthcare costs of Wal-Mart employees who don’t receive coverage on the job and instead turn to public programs such as Medicaid. This website brings together available information on both kinds of subsidies involved in Wal-Mart’s “double-dipping.” In the future we will add data on other ways Wal-Mart relies on taxpayers to finance its growth.
This site is in no way connected with Wal-Mart Stores, Inc. or any affiliate of Wal-Mart Stores, Inc.
Click on a state below for a summary"

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RE: Welfare Queens Galore - 2/26/2014 4:34:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: subfever

How absurd, that we continue to tolerate this system.

imo you cant simply say its all bad.. you have to take each program and application on its own merits.. for instance.. I know someone that works for a non-profit and part of his job is to apply for govt grants.. without the grants and tax free status the employees of the non-profit would not exist, the tax they pay on their income, on their home, on their consumption/purchasing would be lost.. and those low-income clients the non-profit serves would also lose since to get the equivalent in the market likely would cost them more $$$..

another example is (from the link/study info).. companies that build in some cities/counties can apply for property tax abatements (for up to 10 years, on a graduated basis, only if they meet program requirements).. example- Allied Electronics built a distribution center in Ft Worth, TX and created 300 jobs, 275 retained jobs so for a certain time period the company pays lower property taxes.. also when buildings are built you get a large $$$ injection for construction material purchasing & the local spinoff benefits from that.. Imo, the cost of the tax abatement is outweighed by the creation of jobs & money spent locally (by the company).. the City of Ft Worth thinks thats a good investment/trade-off.. so do I..

That said, I don't agree with much of the corporate subsidies & Sylondra type govt handouts.. especially to the hugest corps.. but I don't think its all bad, some are actually good imo..




From my perspective, the system is deeply flawed.

Of course, we can always argue that there are both good and bad in most things... even to a stretch. For example, was Hitler all bad? Or, was the Holocaust all bad? After all, there must have been at least some rotten-to-the-core, dirty, no good scumbags that were exterminated along with the good.

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RE: Welfare Queens Galore - 2/26/2014 4:35:26 PM   
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on the link under the vid there is a "Walmart Subsidy Watch" link.. Walmart has a whole page dedicated just to them! http://www.walmartsubsidywatch.org/


Good post.

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RE: Welfare Queens Galore - 2/26/2014 5:49:35 PM   
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How absurd, that we continue to tolerate this system.


How absurd that we get purported "news" from Russian funded videos.

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RE: Welfare Queens Galore - 2/26/2014 5:52:19 PM   
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RE: Welfare Queens Galore - 2/26/2014 6:04:27 PM   
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maybe cos few "american" outlets will cover it, ...because they are getting the same "benefits"?


No, because RT news is light years beyond biased, stooopit and at best, ridiculous.

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RE: Welfare Queens Galore - 2/26/2014 6:32:46 PM   
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or are you just guessing again?

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RE: Welfare Queens Galore - 2/26/2014 7:35:18 PM   
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No, because RT news is light years beyond biased, stooopit and at best, ridiculous.


Do you consider our corporate-owned mainstream media the unbiased, champion of the masses?

But I digress. Lucy is keeping the thread on track by focusing on the message instead of the messenger.

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RE: Welfare Queens Galore - 2/27/2014 12:03:03 AM   
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From my perspective, the system is deeply flawed.

Of course, we can always argue that there are both good and bad in most things... even to a stretch. For example, was Hitler all bad? Or, was the Holocaust all bad? After all, there must have been at least some rotten-to-the-core, dirty, no good scumbags that were exterminated along with the good.

trying to compare Hitler to corp subsidies is like comparing apples to rotten eggs.. yes, its deeply flawed but why do voters keep electing the politicians that continue to waste taxpayer dollars like this? imo ALL politicians need to be fired and thrown in jail for the damage they have caused.. politicians are the biggest welfare queens going imo..

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RE: Welfare Queens Galore - 2/27/2014 12:20:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tj444


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ORIGINAL: subfever

How absurd, that we continue to tolerate this system.

imo you cant simply say its all bad.. you have to take each program and application on its own merits.. for instance.. I know someone that works for a non-profit and part of his job is to apply for govt grants.. without the grants and tax free status the employees of the non-profit would not exist, the tax they pay on their income, on their home, on their consumption/purchasing would be lost.. and those low-income clients the non-profit serves would also lose since to get the equivalent in the market likely would cost them more $$$..

another example is (from the link/study info).. companies that build in some cities/counties can apply for property tax abatements (for up to 10 years, on a graduated basis, only if they meet program requirements).. example- Allied Electronics built a distribution center in Ft Worth, TX and created 300 jobs, 275 retained jobs so for a certain time period the company pays lower property taxes.. also when buildings are built you get a large $$$ injection for construction material purchasing & the local spinoff benefits from that.. Imo, the cost of the tax abatement is outweighed by the creation of jobs & money spent locally (by the company).. the City of Ft Worth thinks thats a good investment/trade-off.. so do I..

That said, I don't agree with much of the corporate subsidies & Sylondra type govt handouts.. especially to the hugest corps.. but I don't think its all bad, some are actually good imo..




From my perspective, the system is deeply flawed.

Of course, we can always argue that there are both good and bad in most things... even to a stretch. For example, was Hitler all bad? Or, was the Holocaust all bad? After all, there must have been at least some rotten-to-the-core, dirty, no good scumbags that were exterminated along with the good.



Did you just compare programs that help feed people to mass genocide? Buddy from your post your the one who seems deeply flawed.

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RE: Welfare Queens Galore - 2/27/2014 3:09:28 AM   
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Also included are tax credits and rebates, which aren't really subsidies.

Then by your perspective, it would stand to reason that folks on Obamacare receiving tax credits to assist paying their health insurance premiums are not being subsidized.


That's fuzzier, but true, insofar as their "credit" remains less than what they have paid in. If they are getting more taxes back through credits and rebates, then, yes, that's a subsidy, at least the amount greater than what they paid in is a subsidy.




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RE: Welfare Queens Galore - 2/27/2014 3:28:42 AM   
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No, because RT news is light years beyond biased, stooopit and at best, ridiculous.


Do you consider our corporate-owned mainstream media the unbiased, champion of the masses?

But I digress. Lucy is keeping the thread on track by focusing on the message instead of the messenger.


There's a difference between a fart and a pile of shit.

Neither are pleasant to be around. Both stink.

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