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RE: Dhimmi status is back in style - 3/2/2014 4:18:02 PM   
Politesub53


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This has fuck all to do with religion and everything to do with terrorists extorting money. Constantly spouting otherwise wont make you right.

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RE: Dhimmi status is back in style - 3/2/2014 4:42:56 PM   
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Still lost in space I see.
This has fuck all to do with religion and everything to do with terrorists extorting money. Constantly spouting otherwise wont make you right.


Yeah, cuz they aren't doing it to just one religion.


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RE: Dhimmi status is back in style - 3/2/2014 4:50:35 PM   
Politesub53


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
Still lost in space I see.
This has fuck all to do with religion and everything to do with terrorists extorting money. Constantly spouting otherwise wont make you right.


Yeah, cuz they aren't doing it to just one religion.



Want to bet on it ?...... Thought not.

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/security/2013/11/isis-syria-raqqa-iraq-maliki.html#
http://www.npr.org/2014/01/08/260771319/as-rebels-fight-rebels-grim-reports-from-a-syrian-city
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/12/09/syria-s-jihadists-linked-to-organized-crime.html

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RE: Dhimmi status is back in style - 3/2/2014 6:25:47 PM   
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I think most of the arguments here are talking cross-purposes.

Extremists are extremists of all (mainly) Islamic faiths.
But the groups are being pushed forth as part of the arguments and they don't all belong together.
Much like Protestants and Catholics and Evangelists etc are all 'lumped together' as "Christians", there are many different factions within the Islamic faith. Sunni and Shea and Muslims being the the most popular; but there are also AQ and various other smaller and more extreme groups.

So, as much as Jihadists of differing Islamic groups fight with both Christians as well as within the Islamic factions, the world is seeing this as a more global Islam Vs Christian clash. But (and this is very important), factions within each group love and hate each other just as vehemently as with other religions outside of their 'umbrella' group.

So yes, Muslims are fighting Muslims - but that is usually one more specific element fighting against a different specific element (ie, Shea/Sunni/AQ etc) but rarely within themselves.
There are certain Islamic factions extorting money from Christians in Syria (and some other places) but it is wrong to use a blanket group description of Muslims or Islamics because they are very specific religions doing the extorting.

As for the loud voices against the Muslims wanting to build a mosque next to ground zero, it was just bad taste and those who were not Muslim didn't want a permanent reminder that a group of extremist Muslims caused so many deaths in one single event.
It wasn't the fact it was a mosque but the fact it was a mosque in that particular location.
And many people, wrongly IMHO, labeled those specific extremists as 'Muslims' in general and thus took exception to a Muslim place of worship being built near ground zero.
Two completely different scenarios with different reasons.
So to formulate an argument on either side, it would be disingenuous to use generic terms like Muslim or Christian - you would need to be more specific otherwise confusion runs amok and makes no sense in what is being conveyed. Ergo, cross-talk and misunderstanding.

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RE: Dhimmi status is back in style - 3/2/2014 7:38:25 PM   
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FR,

http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Jihadist-Syrian-rebel-group-imposes-Sharia-restrictions-on-Christians-343791

http://world.time.com/2014/02/28/al-qaeda-in-syria-extorts-christians/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10666257/Militant-Islamist-group-in-Syria-orders-Christians-to-pay-protection-tax.html

http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/28/world/meast/syria-raqqa-isis-christians/

Looks like it's not just Breitbart...


Not aimed at you DS, just the sources quoted.

FFS thats missing the point. This is just one extreme militant terrorist group in one city, hardly the whole Muslim population. People writing these alarmist stories need to get a grip.



More than 100,000 Christians in Iran, Iraq, Egypt, Syria, Afghanistan have been killed in the last 10 years.

Its a great unspoken tragedy that attracts very little media attention.

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RE: Dhimmi status is back in style - 3/2/2014 10:04:54 PM   
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You don't have to be "anti-gay" to have reservations about gay marriage...

Can you give us some examples of those non-anti-gay reservations and let us decide that that`s a bunch of anti-intellectual crap?

Claiming that anyone with reservations about gay marriage is "anti-gay" is either a pretense to mind-reading or just plain old argument by slander. So you can "decide" whatever the fuck you want, but a non-sequitur is a non-sequitur is a non-sequitur.

Gays Against Gay Marriage

K.

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RE: Dhimmi status is back in style - 3/2/2014 10:42:31 PM   
DesideriScuri


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
Still lost in space I see.
This has fuck all to do with religion and everything to do with terrorists extorting money. Constantly spouting otherwise wont make you right.

Yeah, cuz they aren't doing it to just one religion.

Want to bet on it ?...... Thought not.
http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/security/2013/11/isis-syria-raqqa-iraq-maliki.html#
http://www.npr.org/2014/01/08/260771319/as-rebels-fight-rebels-grim-reports-from-a-syrian-city
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/12/09/syria-s-jihadists-linked-to-organized-crime.html


The first link is the only one that shows religious bigotry. The other two are simply organized crime, which is a big difference.

Admittedly, the first link does show a more drastic response to a different religion (Shiites being killed simply because they are Shiites, and the Sunni and Shia purges in Basra and Mosul, respectively). They at least allowed the Christians the opportunity to be, essentially, slaves.

Putting "taxes" on shopkeepers isn't religious bigotry, because they are doing it to shopkeepers, not shopkeepers of a certain sect.


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RE: Dhimmi status is back in style - 3/3/2014 2:33:33 AM   
Politesub53


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53
Still lost in space I see.
This has fuck all to do with religion and everything to do with terrorists extorting money. Constantly spouting otherwise wont make you right.

Yeah, cuz they aren't doing it to just one religion.

Want to bet on it ?...... Thought not.
http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/security/2013/11/isis-syria-raqqa-iraq-maliki.html#
http://www.npr.org/2014/01/08/260771319/as-rebels-fight-rebels-grim-reports-from-a-syrian-city
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/12/09/syria-s-jihadists-linked-to-organized-crime.html


The first link is the only one that shows religious bigotry. The other two are simply organized crime, which is a big difference.

Admittedly, the first link does show a more drastic response to a different religion (Shiites being killed simply because they are Shiites, and the Sunni and Shia purges in Basra and Mosul, respectively). They at least allowed the Christians the opportunity to be, essentially, slaves.

Putting "taxes" on shopkeepers isn't religious bigotry, because they are doing it to shopkeepers, not shopkeepers of a certain sect.



Now you are finally getting it, it isnt bigotry, its organised crime. Something I have been saying all along.

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RE: Dhimmi status is back in style - 3/3/2014 9:49:51 AM   
MercTech


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Status: offline 		Those Islamist extortioners sure learned their lesson from the Spanish. In older times; Islamic and Jewish residents of Spain had to pay a special tax or convert to Christianity (Alhambra decree of 1492). An Islamic found to be still practicing Islam after a forced conversion, called a Morrisco, faced the same penalty as "Secret Jews". Both Crypto-Jews and Morriscos were burned at the stake by the inquisition.

There is traditional bigotry and historical abuses on both sides of the Koran.

One thing I've seen over the years is that fanaticism breeds evil no matter the cause.

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RE: Dhimmi status is back in style - 3/3/2014 10:50:27 AM   
DesideriScuri


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53
quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53
Still lost in space I see.
This has fuck all to do with religion and everything to do with terrorists extorting money. Constantly spouting otherwise wont make you right.

Yeah, cuz they aren't doing it to just one religion.

Want to bet on it ?...... Thought not.
http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/security/2013/11/isis-syria-raqqa-iraq-maliki.html#
http://www.npr.org/2014/01/08/260771319/as-rebels-fight-rebels-grim-reports-from-a-syrian-city
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/12/09/syria-s-jihadists-linked-to-organized-crime.html

The first link is the only one that shows religious bigotry. The other two are simply organized crime, which is a big difference.
Admittedly, the first link does show a more drastic response to a different religion (Shiites being killed simply because they are Shiites, and the Sunni and Shia purges in Basra and Mosul, respectively). They at least allowed the Christians the opportunity to be, essentially, slaves.
Putting "taxes" on shopkeepers isn't religious bigotry, because they are doing it to shopkeepers, not shopkeepers of a certain sect.

Now you are finally getting it, it isnt bigotry, its organised crime. Something I have been saying all along.


Yeah, except that little part about it being religiously motivated.


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RE: Dhimmi status is back in style - 3/3/2014 2:15:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53
Still lost in space I see.
This has fuck all to do with religion and everything to do with terrorists extorting money. Constantly spouting otherwise wont make you right.

Yeah, cuz they aren't doing it to just one religion.

Want to bet on it ?...... Thought not.
http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/security/2013/11/isis-syria-raqqa-iraq-maliki.html#
http://www.npr.org/2014/01/08/260771319/as-rebels-fight-rebels-grim-reports-from-a-syrian-city
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/12/09/syria-s-jihadists-linked-to-organized-crime.html

The first link is the only one that shows religious bigotry. The other two are simply organized crime, which is a big difference.
Admittedly, the first link does show a more drastic response to a different religion (Shiites being killed simply because they are Shiites, and the Sunni and Shia purges in Basra and Mosul, respectively). They at least allowed the Christians the opportunity to be, essentially, slaves.
Putting "taxes" on shopkeepers isn't religious bigotry, because they are doing it to shopkeepers, not shopkeepers of a certain sect.

Now you are finally getting it, it isnt bigotry, its organised crime. Something I have been saying all along.


Yeah, except that little part about it being religiously motivated.



You just don't get is DS. It is OKAY because it is against Christians and the Religion of Peace is doing it.

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RE: Dhimmi status is back in style - 3/3/2014 4:15:59 PM   
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You just don't get is DS. It is OKAY because it is against Christians and the Religion of Peace is doing it.


Care to show me where anyone has said its okay....... Oh I know you cant, I was just yanking your chain.

I would have been more impressed if you had started a post where these terrorists are extorting from other Muslims, at least that would have been more sincere.

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RE: Dhimmi status is back in style - 3/3/2014 4:47:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		They ARE extorting from other Muslims. I had it out of the horse's mouth. A former resident of Syria,my fiance, told me that the whole war was essentially motivated by money and not religion. They turn to who ever they think has money and threatens them with torture & death & if they feel using religion as a pretext is a good motivator, well that's alright by them, because their extremist minds rationalize it to be so. Christians just happen to be the special flavor on the menu for the moment, but don't harbor the erroneous notion for one more minute that they aren't still terrorizing the other, more peaceful & innocent Muslims (including women & children) in Syria.

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RE: Dhimmi status is back in style - 3/3/2014 6:29:12 PM   
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You just don't get is DS. It is OKAY because it is against Christians and the Religion of Peace is doing it.


Care to show me where anyone has said its okay....... Oh I know you cant, I was just yanking your chain.

I would have been more impressed if you had started a post where these terrorists are extorting from other Muslims, at least that would have been more sincere.



They do, it is called "Zakat."


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RE: Dhimmi status is back in style - 3/4/2014 4:01:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		Muslims never discriminate never! I don't think it's possible. Let alone extorting people for money, it's a fabricated lie.

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RE: Dhimmi status is back in style - 3/4/2014 6:46:49 AM   
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You just don't get is DS. It is OKAY because it is against Christians and the Religion of Peace is doing it.

Care to show me where anyone has said its okay....... Oh I know you cant, I was just yanking your chain.
I would have been more impressed if you had started a post where these terrorists are extorting from other Muslims, at least that would have been more sincere.


They aren't extorting from businesses based on religious grounds. The only discrimination they use in extorting, is that they only extort from businesses.

The Sunni's and the Shiites are killing each other off, so there is your Muslim on Muslim religious discrimination. The article noted that the Christians are being forced to pay a tax and accept secondary status, or die, simply because they are Christians.

It's still religious discrimination.

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RE: Dhimmi status is back in style - 3/4/2014 6:47:56 AM   
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"Christian mobs attack Muslims in Central African Republic"





http://nypost.com/2013/12/09/christian-mobs-attack-muslims-in-central-african-republic/

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RE: Dhimmi status is back in style - 3/4/2014 6:55:58 AM   
DesideriScuri


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And it`s completely one sided .......of course.
"Christian mobs attack Muslims in Central African Republic"
http://nypost.com/2013/12/09/christian-mobs-attack-muslims-in-central-african-republic/


Who Christians weren't attacking Muslims?

I don't have a tally of the cumulative death tolls, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Christianity having the higher numbers when it comes to death tolls and brutality. My guess is that Mel Brooks was wrong about the Inquisition in his "documentary," History of the World, Part I.




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RE: Dhimmi status is back in style - 3/4/2014 2:42:29 PM   
Politesub53


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Muslims never discriminate never! I don't think it's possible. Let alone extorting people for money, it's a fabricated lie.


Who the fuck has indicated otherwise though... or is this just more Islamophobia ?

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RE: Dhimmi status is back in style - 3/4/2014 2:45:25 PM   
Politesub53


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They aren't extorting from businesses based on religious grounds. The only discrimination they use in extorting, is that they only extort from businesses.

The Sunni's and the Shiites are killing each other off, so there is your Muslim on Muslim religious discrimination. The article noted that the Christians are being forced to pay a tax and accept secondary status, or die, simply because they are Christians.

It's still religious discrimination.


Yada yada yada.......Aylee was right, you just dont get it DS.

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