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RE: 29 killed in Chinese Kife attack - 3/3/2014 2:14:28 PM   
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Hmm, and during the Boxer Rebellion wasn't the most common weapon used was a meat cleaver.

Knives are prevalent, easy to conceal, and can be logically explained away if someone notices you have it with you. Wrap it up like a recently purchased parcel and no one will bat an eye.

Edged weapons tend to incite more fear than do firearms. Think about it; what is more terrifying between the knife wielding screaming barbarian or the sniper picking off the crowd?

And, in close quarters a knife is more effective than a pistol.
http://www.your-krav-maga-expert.com/gun-vs-knife.html

If the perpetrators wanted to instill terror in a crowd and didn't care about extraction, they picked a good weapon.


LOL....the absurdity of your post is damn funny.

Knives are to the ancient world what the firearm is to the modern day. Easy to conceal, easy to use, easy to obtain, easy to dispose of, easy to learn how to use. However, a pistol has something a knife does not....range and damage multiplier. Why do you think NAVY SEALs use firearms verse knives as their primary weapon when assaulting a location?

The problem with your argument is that in order for a pistol to do even half as much damage in the same time frame, would require someone to be well verse in close combat HTH fighting techniques. That either means 'military background' or 'many years of mixed martial arts'. Yet, anyone can use a pistol to kill other people with not even a tenth of that knowledge. So how much damage could someone, trained to use the pistol, trained like the martial artist, actually do? An that's where the absurdity of your argument is shown fully.

If the perpetrators had firearms, the damage would have been much more in-depth and vile. If your not able to recognize that reality, that's your problem. They would have gotten away all the same as they had something most shooters in the USA never think on: the exit plan. That was a coordinated attack if your not aware of the concept. They thought how it would start, how the action would play there, the security/guards/police/militia/military response might play out, and the exit plan(s). They put some thought into the whole thing.

The chose of arms was due more to circumstances than choose. Firearms are not easily had in China, yet the exact opposite in America. In order for your argument to have a leg to stand on, you'd have to show some REALLY good evidence that firearms could not do nearly as much damage in the same time frame and circumstances. Good luck...

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RE: 29 killed in Chinese Kife attack - 3/3/2014 2:26:30 PM   
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oh Joe, dontcha know, the only answer to ten guys with either gun or knives is ten(or more) well armed citizens!!!

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RE: 29 killed in Chinese Kife attack - 3/3/2014 2:27:44 PM   
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I'm not sure where you came up with that idea. Would you mind showing your support for the assertion?


Come on, DS, your smarter and more educated than this. BamaD has in several times in the past pushed the 'Gun Nut' arguments on several threads. I'm ok, that he supports firearm usage and personal rights. I'm ok if he wants a serious discussion surrounding such arms. I'm not ok, when he uses a vehicle for serious discussion to push an political agenda by subtle means.

Had he come out, presented the story and asked frankly "how would we as a nation handle something like this?" In putting the idea it was knives, but asking had it been firearms would that have changed things? I think most of us still remember the history of events surrounding Sandy Hook. An just how raw the nerves were for most of us. That's the difference between a real discussion and what BamaD presented initially. An I'm calling him out for it.

Only a fool would say BamaD is totally innocent of his reasons for this thread's creation. You are not a fool.

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RE: 29 killed in Chinese Kife attack - 3/3/2014 2:32:39 PM   
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It is pretty obvious...

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RE: 29 killed in Chinese Kife attack - 3/3/2014 3:06:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
I'm not sure where you came up with that idea. Would you mind showing your support for the assertion?


Come on, DS, your smarter and more educated than this. BamaD has in several times in the past pushed the 'Gun Nut' arguments on several threads. I'm ok, that he supports firearm usage and personal rights. I'm ok if he wants a serious discussion surrounding such arms. I'm not ok, when he uses a vehicle for serious discussion to push an political agenda by subtle means.

Had he come out, presented the story and asked frankly "how would we as a nation handle something like this?" In putting the idea it was knives, but asking had it been firearms would that have changed things? I think most of us still remember the history of events surrounding Sandy Hook. An just how raw the nerves were for most of us. That's the difference between a real discussion and what BamaD presented initially. An I'm calling him out for it.

Only a fool would say BamaD is totally innocent of his reasons for this thread's creation. You are not a fool.

And only a fool would argue with DS about this when I am here to talk to.
I never said a word about guns, you and the other anti gun nuts let your imaginations run away with you.
Why are you ignoring TOS and trying to make me the subject when it is 33 dead people?
Are you that offended by the lack of guns in this atrocity?

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RE: 29 killed in Chinese Kife attack - 3/3/2014 3:07:46 PM   
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It's not that you said anything about guns, but it's pretty obvious you're using this as a method to argue that guns would have been a good thing to have in this situation, even if you haven't said so.

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RE: 29 killed in Chinese Kife attack - 3/3/2014 3:10:27 PM   
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It's not that you said anything about guns, but it's pretty obvious you're using this as a method to argue that guns would have been a good thing to have in this situation, even if you haven't said so.

It's all in your head.

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RE: 29 killed in Chinese Kife attack - 3/3/2014 3:14:29 PM   
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Says the guy who thinks conservative economics work despite real life proof to the contrary, funny But I digress, if thats the truth then I'll take it for what it is and move on, no point arguing over possible intentions to the origins of the forum. People got stabbed and it was unfortunate. Could something have been done to stop it? Well in a country of 1 billion which is practically bursting at the seams, it seems unlikely. Horrible things are bound to happen, and we can only do the best we can as human beings to prevent them when we can.

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RE: 29 killed in Chinese Kife attack - 3/3/2014 3:17:59 PM   
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Says the guy who thinks conservative economics work despite real life proof to the contrary, funny But I digress, if thats the truth then I'll take it for what it is and move on, no point arguing over possible intentions to the origins of the forum. People got stabbed and it was unfortunate. Could something have been done to stop it? Well in a country of 1 billion which is practically bursting at the seams, it seems unlikely. Horrible things are bound to happen, and we can only do the best we can as human beings to prevent them when we can.

At last an on topic comment.
Islamic extremism strikes again.

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RE: 29 killed in Chinese Kife attack - 3/3/2014 3:24:49 PM   
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Horrible things are bound to happen, and we can only do the best we can as human beings to prevent them when we can.


Exactly, so arming yourself is the best thing you can do and horrible things won't likely happen to you.

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RE: 29 killed in Chinese Kife attack - 3/3/2014 3:35:39 PM   
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It's not that you said anything about guns, but it's pretty obvious you're using this as a method to argue that guns would have been a good thing to have in this situation, even if you haven't said so.



Guess guns are useless at a knife fight.

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RE: 29 killed in Chinese Kife attack - 3/3/2014 3:42:33 PM   
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RE: 29 killed in Chinese Kife attack - 3/3/2014 4:00:15 PM   
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So, what's your point ?

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RE: 29 killed in Chinese Kife attack - 3/3/2014 4:04:20 PM   
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It's not that you said anything about guns, but it's pretty obvious you're using this as a method to argue that guns would have been a good thing to have in this situation, even if you haven't said so.

It's all in your head.



Do you mean like the other thread you started by wrongly saying there had been mass murder in the US and no guns used ?

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RE: 29 killed in Chinese Kife attack - 3/3/2014 4:08:57 PM   
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Horrible things are bound to happen, and we can only do the best we can as human beings to prevent them when we can.


Exactly, so arming yourself is the best thing you can do and horrible things won't likely happen to you.


So, BamaD didn't use this thread to promote an agenda, but you do? Lol, that's just funny XD so you think all the people who got stabbed should have had knives as well? Or guns? Because in that case what would have stopped the attackers from having guns? How many more people would have died because they would have been able to shoot more people at further distances? Think of it, if that many people were hurt by knives, how many more would have received gun shots which would have been fatal? Also, how often do these knifing a happen? A hell of a lot more rarely than American shootings, that's for sure, hence Lucy's previous post.

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RE: 29 killed in Chinese Kife attack - 3/3/2014 4:09:14 PM   
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I think it is a tragedy that 33 people died regardless of weapon type.
Apparently some people are offended if someone is killed with something other than a gun.

Yeah right. Are you suggesting you started a thread on a story you dont believe and it had nothing to do with the fact it was carried out by knives.
Was it so much of a tradegy you havent said one word about the victims until now ?


Ken was the one questioning the particulars of the story, not Bama.



Err you best check who said he didnt trust the Chinese media version of events.

As for the man crush, now do I go for looks or brains....... hard one to call huh (And lets not forget you suggested it, not me.)

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RE: 29 killed in Chinese Kife attack - 3/3/2014 4:10:58 PM   
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Hence the reason for the OP..... It had nothing to do with events and everything to do with the fact knives were used.

More bullshit excuses for owning guns.




Who needs an excuse when the second amendment to the Constitution of the United States makes it a right to keep and bear arms?




I dont question the right to bear arms, we have that in the UK as well. I just question the American tendency to use them on the slightest pretext.

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RE: 29 killed in Chinese Kife attack - 3/3/2014 4:11:02 PM   
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Horrible things are bound to happen, and we can only do the best we can as human beings to prevent them when we can.

Exactly, so arming yourself is the best thing you can do and horrible things won't likely happen to you.


Like a cross on the door to ward away evil spirits. Yeah, lets do some actual scientific studies and put these silly gun nut beliefs to actual tests. Maybe there is something to those beliefs, and many its all just bullshit Maybe something in between. I do know BamaD would be against such studies. He's deathly afraid of such science.

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RE: 29 killed in Chinese Kife attack - 3/3/2014 4:11:10 PM   
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It's not that you said anything about guns, but it's pretty obvious you're using this as a method to argue that guns would have been a good thing to have in this situation, even if you haven't said so.



Guess guns are useless at a knife fight.


If these guys had access to guns like everyone did, why the hell would they have brought knives? There would be no knife fight. I know it's alien for you, but try using some logic.

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RE: 29 killed in Chinese Kife attack - 3/3/2014 6:41:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Tkman117
Horrible things are bound to happen, and we can only do the best we can as human beings to prevent them when we can.

Exactly, so arming yourself is the best thing you can do and horrible things won't likely happen to you.


Like a cross on the door to ward away evil spirits. Yeah, lets do some actual scientific studies and put these silly gun nut beliefs to actual tests. Maybe there is something to those beliefs, and many its all just bullshit Maybe something in between. I do know BamaD would be against such studies. He's deathly afraid of such science.

They've been done and they come down on our side.
And this is still derailment.
You and not Lovmuffin made gun control a topic.

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