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Lucylastic -> RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimersquiquit (3/8/2014 7:52:28 AM)

heh I like the way you think.



DomKen -> RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimersquiquit (3/8/2014 8:02:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: Kirata
I have the advantage.



Yeah, it's who's controlling the situation. Proactive versus reactive. The upper hand is the stronger position.


If you have the upper hand it is NOT SELF DEFENSE. By definition.

So for it to be self defense you have to give the bad guy the advantage?

You have to be in actual danger.



Kirata -> RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimersquiquit (3/8/2014 8:05:25 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BecomingV

The important part of the OP, IMO, is that a fellow human in need was met with a violent end. Issues of gun control and stand your ground and any other way to look at this, should all be secondary considerations to the fact that this guy should have been safe; but wasn't.

And that is entirely the failure of his caretaker (see here). Nobody else.

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ORIGINAL: BecomingV

This guy is a killer.

Oh ferchrissake, he isn't a "killer". He simply reacted to a person whose intent had already risen to the level of being suspicious when the latter refused to identify himself and approached with what appeared to be a weapon.

K.



Lucylastic -> RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimersquiquit (3/8/2014 8:06:26 AM)

he is a killer, he killed someone, he shot them
dead
wether or not the man had his hands around his throat, he DID kill a man
Trying to blame it on the wife is sickening.



DomKen -> RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimersquiquit (3/8/2014 8:07:57 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: BecomingV

The important part of the OP, IMO, is that a fellow human in need was met with a violent end. Issues of gun control and stand your ground and any other way to look at this, should all be secondary considerations to the fact that this guy should have been safe; but wasn't.

And that is entirely the failure of his caretaker (see here). Nobody else.

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ORIGINAL: BecomingV

This guy is a killer.

Oh ferchrissake, he isn't a "killer". He simply reacted to a person whose intent had already risen to the level of being suspicious when the latter refused to identify himself and approached with what appeared to be a weapon.

K.


Being suspicious is not a capital offence!



Kirata -> RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimersquiquit (3/8/2014 8:20:32 AM)


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he is a killer, he killed someone, he shot them

You know damn well that calling someone a "killer" carries connotations that go way beyond the facts of an unfortunate shooting incident.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Trying to blame it on the wife is sickening.

Well get over it, because she was the one responsible for his care. He wouldn't have been out wandering around stealing people's mail and trying to get into their houses if the proper precautions had been taken. Maybe she was poorly advised or just uninformed, I don't know. Either way, he was at risk long before Hendrix ever saw him. He could have fallen down an embankment and hit his head, or gotten himself smacked by a truck.

You cannot - I repeat cannot - allow an Alzheimers patient to wander off unsupervised.

K.




Kirata -> RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimersquiquit (3/8/2014 8:24:33 AM)

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Oh ferchrissake, he isn't a "killer". He simply reacted to a person whose intent had already risen to the level of being suspicious when the latter refused to identify himself and approached with what appeared to be a weapon.

Being suspicious is not a capital offence!

Did I say it was? Did I say Hendrix shot him simply because he was "suspicious"? Stop fucking making shit up and pretending I said it. If you want to have a conversation with yourself, go talk to a mirror.

K.



Lucylastic -> RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimersquiquit (3/8/2014 8:34:14 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

he is a killer, he killed someone, he shot them

You know damn well that calling someone a "killer" carries connotations that go way beyond the facts of an unfortunate shooting incident.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Trying to blame it on the wife is sickening.

Well get over it, because she was the one responsible for his care. He wouldn't have been out wandering around stealing people's mail and trying to get into their houses if the proper precautions had been taken. Maybe she was poorly advised or just uninformed, I don't know. Either way, he was at risk long before Hendrix ever saw him. He could have fallen down an embankment and hit his head, or gotten himself smacked by a truck.

You cannot - I repeat cannot - allow an Alzheimers patient to wander off unsupervised.

K.



nope
he killed a human
if I called him a murderer....please come back and say im in the wrong
his action caused a gun to fire four times, which killed a man.
same as Zimmerman, same as the old boy who shot the guy in a cinema, same as the guy who shot the girl who knocked on his door.
Yes, they are" a killer"

Please dont teach your grandmother how to suck eggs either, I KNOW the realities of caring for an alzheimer patient, and more than one, daily and nightly, so PLEASE dont pull that bullshit with me.



Kirata -> RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimersquiquit (3/8/2014 8:44:13 AM)


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I KNOW the realities of caring for an alzheimer patient, and more than one, daily and nightly, so PLEASE dont pull that bullshit with me.

Yeah? Well then either your training was shit, or you never had any. If this had happened because Westbrook was able to wander away from a care facility, the family would be suing the owner, the operator, and the on-duty staff for their skins.

K.




DomKen -> RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimersquiquit (3/8/2014 8:46:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
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Oh ferchrissake, he isn't a "killer". He simply reacted to a person whose intent had already risen to the level of being suspicious when the latter refused to identify himself and approached with what appeared to be a weapon.

Being suspicious is not a capital offence!

Did I say it was? Did I say Hendrix shot him simply because he was "suspicious"? Stop fucking making shit up and pretending I said it. If you want to have a conversation with yourself, go talk to a mirror.

Then what where you implying by that sentence? You wrote that he reacted to someone who had "risen to the level of being suspicious" by shooting him.



Kirata -> RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimersquiquit (3/8/2014 8:56:01 AM)


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He simply reacted to a person whose intent had already risen to the level of being suspicious when the latter refused to identify himself and approached with what appeared to be a weapon.

You wrote that he reacted to someone who had "risen to the level of being suspicious" by shooting him.

Pay special attention to the pretty colored letters.

K.



DomKen -> RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimersquiquit (3/8/2014 9:27:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
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ORIGINAL: Kirata

He simply reacted to a person whose intent had already risen to the level of being suspicious when the latter refused to identify himself and approached with what appeared to be a weapon.

You wrote that he reacted to someone who had "risen to the level of being suspicious" by shooting him.

Pay special attention to the pretty colored letters.

K.


So you're actually arguing that approaching someone with what they suspect is a weapon is cause to kill them?



Kirata -> RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimersquiquit (3/8/2014 9:36:15 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
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ORIGINAL: Kirata

He simply reacted to a person whose intent had already risen to the level of being suspicious when the latter refused to identify himself and approached with what appeared to be a weapon.

So you're actually arguing that approaching someone with what they suspect is a weapon is cause to kill them?

Try to pay attention to ALL the pretty colored letters (see here for further assistance).

K.



DomKen -> RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimersquiquit (3/8/2014 9:48:21 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
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ORIGINAL: Kirata

He simply reacted to a person whose intent had already risen to the level of being suspicious when the latter refused to identify himself and approached with what appeared to be a weapon.

So you're actually arguing that approaching someone with what they suspect is a weapon is cause to kill them?

Try to pay attention to ALL the pretty colored letters (see here for further assistance).

K.


So you have no idea what you are arguing but just want to retreat to snark. I got it. Get back to me when you figure out what you meant.



Kirata -> RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimersquiquit (3/8/2014 9:54:24 AM)


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So you have no idea what you are arguing but just want to retreat to snark. I got it. Get back to me when you figure out what you meant.

I'm sorry you're confused. Okay, let me help. I'm arguing exactly what I said. All you have to do is just focus on that, and remember that it's English. It's easy it is once you know the trick!

K.





Lucylastic -> RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimersquiquit (3/8/2014 9:54:55 AM)


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I KNOW the realities of caring for an alzheimer patient, and more than one, daily and nightly, so PLEASE dont pull that bullshit with me.

Yeah? Well then either your training was shit, or you never had any. If this had happened because Westbrook was able to wander away from a care facility, the family would be suing the owner, the operator, and the on-duty staff for their skins.

K.



No Ive simply never worked in the US.
if you wanna question my qualifications email me



Lucylastic -> RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimersquiquit (3/8/2014 9:58:53 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
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ORIGINAL: Kirata

He simply reacted to a person whose intent had already risen to the level of being suspicious when the latter refused to identify himself and approached with what appeared to be a weapon.

So you're actually arguing that approaching someone with what they suspect is a weapon is cause to kill them?

Try to pay attention to ALL the pretty colored letters (see here for further assistance).

K.


So you have no idea what you are arguing but just want to retreat to snark. I got it. Get back to me when you figure out what you meant.

he shot him and he killed him,EOS



DomKen -> RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimersquiquit (3/8/2014 10:02:31 AM)

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So you have no idea what you are arguing but just want to retreat to snark. I got it. Get back to me when you figure out what you meant.

I'm sorry you're confused. Okay, let me help. I'm arguing exactly what I said. All you have to do is just focus on that, and remember that it's English. It's easy it is once you know the trick!

You're arguing that it's ok to shoot someone because
1) They are approaching you
2) Have something in their hand
3) You have spoken to them

You seem to be fundamentally misunderstanding what constitutes a reasonable fear of imminent bodily harm.



BamaD -> RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimers (3/8/2014 10:06:58 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BecomingV

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Mr. Westbrook is a victim of his own actions.


This quickly turned into a focus on the gun itself. Canadians own more guns than Americans yet they sleep with their doors unlocked. They are not in a culture in which guns are used against other people. Mr. Westbrook would have been safer there, it seems.

We are talking about someone with diminished capacity, not too unlike children, who may not be able to not run their Big Wheels into the street. Drivers must be on the defensive and protect them, despite the foray outside of the rules.

I take this kind of desperate fear seriously. What is going on in America?

BamaD - The viewpoint you hold on this in terms of personal responsibility concerns me. How myopic is it to focus on a sick man's wanderings and hold him responsible. No. Sometimes WE are responsible for the safety and welfare of others. We have to put on our big boy and big girl pants and adjust to the imperfections in life. This man's life depended on it.

You misunderstand.
I agree that Westbrook, due to his diminished capacity gets a pass on his actions from a moral and to a certain
extent a legal view.
However to hold Hendrix responsible to take those things which he had no way of knowing is equally reprehensible.
Hendrix could only act on what he knew and from that perspective it was indeed Westbrook's actions that
caused his death.



Lucylastic -> RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimersquiquit (3/8/2014 10:08:09 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

he is a killer, he killed someone, he shot them

You know damn well that calling someone a "killer" carries connotations that go way beyond the facts of an unfortunate shooting incident.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Trying to blame it on the wife is sickening.

Well get over it, because she was the one responsible for his care. He wouldn't have been out wandering around stealing people's mail and trying to get into their houses if the proper precautions had been taken. Maybe she was poorly advised or just uninformed, I don't know. Either way, he was at risk long before Hendrix ever saw him. He could have fallen down an embankment and hit his head, or gotten himself smacked by a truck.

You cannot - I repeat cannot - allow an Alzheimers patient to wander off unsupervised.

K.



did I say you should
NO I fucking didnt
its too fucking bad hes dead and now and while he doesnt have alzheimers, he cannot stand up for himself.
Blaming the wife is the stupidly easy way out



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