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I have the advantage.

Yeah, it's who's controlling the situation. Proactive versus reactive. The upper hand is the stronger position.

If you have the upper hand it is NOT SELF DEFENSE. By definition.

So for it to be self defense you have to give the bad guy the advantage?

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The important part of the OP, IMO, is that a fellow human in need was met with a violent end. Issues of gun control and stand your ground and any other way to look at this, should all be secondary considerations to the fact that this guy should have been safe; but wasn't.

And that is entirely the failure of his caretaker (see here). Nobody else.

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This guy is a killer.

Oh ferchrissake, he isn't a "killer". He simply reacted to a person whose intent had already risen to the level of being suspicious when the latter refused to identify himself and approached with what appeared to be a weapon.

K.

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he is a killer, he killed someone, he shot them

You know damn well that calling someone a "killer" carries connotations that go way beyond the facts of an unfortunate shooting incident.

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Oh ferchrissake, he isn't a "killer". He simply reacted to a person whose intent had already risen to the level of being suspicious when the latter refused to identify himself and approached with what appeared to be a weapon.

Being suspicious is not a capital offence!

Did I say it was? Did I say Hendrix shot him simply because he was "suspicious"? Stop fucking making shit up and pretending I said it. If you want to have a conversation with yourself, go talk to a mirror.

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He simply reacted to a person whose intent had already risen to the level of being suspicious when the latter refused to identify himself and approached with what appeared to be a weapon.

You wrote that he reacted to someone who had "risen to the level of being suspicious" by shooting him.

Pay special attention to the pretty colored letters.

K.

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He simply reacted to a person whose intent had already risen to the level of being suspicious when the latter refused to identify himself and approached with what appeared to be a weapon.

So you're actually arguing that approaching someone with what they suspect is a weapon is cause to kill them?

Try to pay attention to ALL the pretty colored letters (see here for further assistance).

K.

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I KNOW the realities of caring for an alzheimer patient, and more than one, daily and nightly, so PLEASE dont pull that bullshit with me.

Yeah? Well then either your training was shit, or you never had any. If this had happened because Westbrook was able to wander away from a care facility, the family would be suing the owner, the operator, and the on-duty staff for their skins.

K.

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He simply reacted to a person whose intent had already risen to the level of being suspicious when the latter refused to identify himself and approached with what appeared to be a weapon.

So you're actually arguing that approaching someone with what they suspect is a weapon is cause to kill them?

Try to pay attention to ALL the pretty colored letters (see here for further assistance).

K.

So you have no idea what you are arguing but just want to retreat to snark. I got it. Get back to me when you figure out what you meant.

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So you have no idea what you are arguing but just want to retreat to snark. I got it. Get back to me when you figure out what you meant.

I'm sorry you're confused. Okay, let me help. I'm arguing exactly what I said. All you have to do is just focus on that, and remember that it's English. It's easy it is once you know the trick!

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Mr. Westbrook is a victim of his own actions.

This quickly turned into a focus on the gun itself. Canadians own more guns than Americans yet they sleep with their doors unlocked. They are not in a culture in which guns are used against other people. Mr. Westbrook would have been safer there, it seems.

We are talking about someone with diminished capacity, not too unlike children, who may not be able to not run their Big Wheels into the street. Drivers must be on the defensive and protect them, despite the foray outside of the rules.

I take this kind of desperate fear seriously. What is going on in America?

BamaD - The viewpoint you hold on this in terms of personal responsibility concerns me. How myopic is it to focus on a sick man's wanderings and hold him responsible. No. Sometimes WE are responsible for the safety and welfare of others. We have to put on our big boy and big girl pants and adjust to the imperfections in life. This man's life depended on it.

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he is a killer, he killed someone, he shot them

You know damn well that calling someone a "killer" carries connotations that go way beyond the facts of an unfortunate shooting incident.