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jlf1961 -> The economics of restaurants (3/2/2014 6:35:40 AM)

Okay, you have a date with that special someone. You really want to make a good impression.

Now dining out is a given.

Now, the things you really have to consider.

Fast food, cheap and decent food.

Pizza restaurants. Good food, who doesnt like pizza? Cost a bit more.

The choices continue of course until

Fine Dining Restaurant. Expensive, lots of ambiance and that wallet breaking meal has the smallest serving portions of all choices.

Seriously, nice big fancy plate with a third of the surface area used for food placement.

Oh yeah, you made a big impression, she is thrilled with the experience, and you have just informed her that when it comes to her, money is no object, say good bye to your spare cash, that nice car you want and of course, while you shop for her at the nice places, you are gonna get your clothes at Walmart, on sale.




LanceHughes -> RE: The economics of dating (3/2/2014 6:37:43 AM)

Is there a question in there somewhere?
BTW, Title changed.




smileforme50 -> RE: The economics of dating (3/2/2014 7:10:09 AM)

Personally......I can do fast food, pizza, Applebee's.....BUT....if he wants a little black dress, stockings, and 4-inch heels.....then it needs to be "Fine Dining".

He wants to do fast food or pizza... then it's going to be jeans, sneakers, and cotton white panties.

You get what you pay for..... [sm=biggrin.gif]




ChatteParfaitt -> RE: The economics of restaurants (3/2/2014 7:35:54 AM)

Er what? If you date the kind of female who thinks you treating her to a nice meal means she gets to break your wallet on a regular basis, you need to choose better quality females.

If I remember correctly (please let me know if I'm wrong) you are looking for a young hottie, is that right?

Really other than your wallet there is no reason for a young hottie to date you.





kalikshama -> RE: The economics of dating (3/2/2014 7:41:25 AM)

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ORIGINAL: smileforme50

Personally......I can do fast food, pizza, Applebee's.....BUT....if he wants a little black dress, stockings, and 4-inch heels.....then it needs to be "Fine Dining".

He wants to do fast food or pizza... then it's going to be jeans, sneakers, and cotton white panties.

You get what you pay for..... [sm=biggrin.gif]


Nicely put!




kalikshama -> RE: The economics of restaurants (3/2/2014 7:53:54 AM)

quote:

Oh yeah, you made a big impression, she is thrilled with the experience, and you have just informed her that when it comes to her, money is no object, say good bye to your spare cash, that nice car you want and of course, while you shop for her at the nice places, you are gonna get your clothes at Walmart, on sale.


Jeff, you sound jaded - tell us the story behind this.

- My first date with my man was for coffee...and the conversation was so enjoyable we went next door and had dinner at a Bertucci's.

- Date Two was at an upscale restaurant.

- Date Three was dinner at a nice restaurant followed by a movie. He paid for all of this.

- Date Four was my suggestion, and was at my place for him to help me "taste test a new version of Molten Chocolate Lava Cakes" - IOW, I wanted to have sex with him, as I had since Date One, but he'd made me wait.

- Date Five was again at my house, where I cooked him Kibbe, something he'd had often at a Lebanese childhood's friend house while growing up.

When we go out, it's at his suggestion, and he pays. We stay home much more frequently, in fact, we did not go out at all last month. I plan, shop, cook, and do most of the cleaning. I also cook enough to that there is food to send food for his mother three or four days per week.

I think this is a very fair arrangement.




windchymes -> RE: The economics of restaurants (3/2/2014 9:52:53 AM)

Not ALL women are impressed by money and being wined and dined. I am way more impressed by a guy who lives within his means, who drives a modest car that might even be paid off, lives in a modest house that he keeps neat and clean. And I'd much rather go to some "mom & pop" style, off the beaten path restaurant who serves really good, home-cooked-style food, has friendly waitstaff and customers who know you when you come in. Like Cheers. Where I can wear jeans and comfy shoes, not heels and a little black dress.

I'm just not impressed by fluff and glitz and cars. I've been there and I'm over it. Impress me with your character and common sense, not your wallet.

And you shouldn't tell a woman money is no object unless it really isn't [;)]




DaddySatyr -> RE: The economics of restaurants (3/2/2014 10:40:06 AM)

Where I live, I have found the best steak comes from the local Outback.

I've tried quite a few places and because of who the manager is (A really good, well educated chef), this place is the best. I'm there, every week (about all the steak I can handle). A dinner for two costs about $40 and it is well worth it.

Back in Jersey there was a really nice place (Arthur's Pub) that had a wonderful 24 oz. steak for $25. Well worth it.

I don't let the price decide where I am going to eat. Certainly, I want a happy medium between cost and value but I put more weight on the quality of the food than the cost.

Generally, I don't discuss my economic status with a lady until she has some kind of need to know. She certainly doesn't need to know on a first meeting. She needs to know that I have the $10 in my pocket to pick up the tab for a first meeting.

First meetings are coffee (soda) ... maybe an adult beverage ... a meet up at a karaoke joint. I do NOT drop a ton of money on a first meeting, partially to weed out the more materialistic types and partially because it can get very expensive.

I have long been convinced that one of the "inadvertent lies" that men tell to women is they spend more than their budget will truly allow. Then, after the "courtship" period, the money stops flowing as smoothly and the lady feels as if she's been "lied" to (and, in a way, she has been).







AthenaSurrenders -> RE: The economics of restaurants (3/2/2014 10:52:00 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt

Er what? If you date the kind of female who thinks you treating her to a nice meal means she gets to break your wallet on a regular basis, you need to choose better quality females.

If I remember correctly (please let me know if I'm wrong) you are looking for a young hottie, is that right?

Really other than your wallet there is no reason for a young hottie to date you.




Can't agree more.

Then again, if we're going michelin-starred for the first date, I'm going to assume you are trying to buy me and be on the defensive. It manages to be both showy and unoriginal in one go.

The perfect restaurant for a first date is some little intimate family run Italian place that you know from experience does great food with a warm welcome. Alternatively, a trendy gastropub is usually a winner, since there's generally something on the menu everyone will like. Somewhere worth dressing up for, but not somewhere that your date will be embarrassed because they don't know which spoon to use or what's in any of the dishes. Somewhere you can have a cosy conversation.

I'd totally love a guy to take me to the Fat Duck, but it needs to be half a dozen dates down the line when I know I can stand your company for the full four hours.




ShaharThorne -> RE: The economics of restaurants (3/2/2014 2:40:23 PM)

If I am in Austin, it better be the lovely English pub my daughter discovered with me (used to be the Alligator Grill) or the Bakehouse with a world-wide menu. I am not impressed with Red Lobster or Olive Garden.

Now, if you take me to a steakhouse (warn me ahead of time about dress code), I might sit in your lap...I happen to like red meat. When I go meat shopping, I choose the best I can get for the money (read discount). from what I picked up yesterday, we got enough for 12 meals...and that is including the butterfly pork chops.




DesFIP -> RE: The economics of restaurants (3/2/2014 7:59:30 PM)

I'm proud to be a foodie.
This means that when I cook, you're likely to be eating everything home made including the bread.

If you expect me to put in the time making everything from scratch, and you can't reciprocate in kind, then you should be reciprocating in another way. By taking me out to the kind of restaurants that serve that same quality of food.




littlewonder -> RE: The economics of restaurants (3/2/2014 9:16:01 PM)

I admit, on a proper first date, I like to be wined and dined. It doesn't have to be an ultra expensive restaurant but it does have to be a nice, romantic place with ambience.

When I met Master and he took me out to dinner, we were both dressed up...me in a little black dress and him in a nice suit. He took me to a little Thai restaurant in town. It wasn't extremely expensive but it was romantic. It had the low lighting, soft music, corner table, nice and quiet and he was a total gentleman. He even asked me if he could order for me because he knew the menu well. Let's just say he whirled me off of my feet that night. [;)]

It wasn't really the cost of the meal that did it though. It was the thought he put into it, the details, being a total gentleman. Call me old fashioned. I like men who seduce, who know how to pull out all the stops.

But now that we've been together we don't go to really expensive places all the time. We eat home a lot. But I admit, we still do the romantic dinners like that night when we feel we haven't been making quality time for each other. It helps to reconnect us I think.




theshytype -> RE: The economics of restaurants (3/3/2014 12:44:31 PM)

I'm with LW on this one. I'm a bit old-fashioned, especially when it comes to the first date.
Just because he does it on the first date, doesn't mean I'm going to expect everytime. I call it a treat. I'm actually a rather cheap date.

Now, if you've gone on several dates and treated them all the same, spending top dollar each time, I can see how someone might expect it. Really, you've tried to be something you're not to get someone to like you. I think that's worse.





kalikshama -> RE: The economics of restaurants (3/3/2014 1:34:47 PM)

quote:

I'm proud to be a foodie.
This means that when I cook, you're likely to be eating everything home made including the bread.

If you expect me to put in the time making everything from scratch, and you can't reciprocate in kind, then you should be reciprocating in another way. By taking me out to the kind of restaurants that serve that same quality of food.


Damn straight. If it's not going to be better than what I can make, I don't want to bother leaving the house.




SinFix -> RE: The economics of restaurants (3/3/2014 1:38:54 PM)

Wouldn't do much for me. Having food allergies limits what and where I eat. Which is usually just a salad.




SpaceSpank -> RE: The economics of restaurants (3/3/2014 1:41:29 PM)

Good food and ambiance can be had with affordable places as well. I'm not going to take a first date to somewhere that costs $40+ per person (without alcohol included).

I'd never take a date to a pizza joint or fast food... just tacky.

Now, if the date is something else, like a museum, that just happens to includes stopping at a pizza/fast food place that is fine... but neither should be a destination unto themselves.

And by that I mean your typical greasy plate kinda pizza joints... there ARE some high end pizza establishments that are more than acceptable.




Phoenixpower -> RE: The economics of restaurants (3/4/2014 5:17:23 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: SpaceSpank
I'd never take a date to a pizza joint or fast food... just tacky.


I totally agree...

A date in the past tried that and I was not willing for that...cause I do not need any poshy restaurant (though with my ex it got pretty tired going to starbucks or pizza express every damn time when we met outside of our homes from 2005-2011[8|]) however I do not need fast food on such a day either...

in this case we went to a nice italian restaurant and it actually remained the nicest evening ever, during my years in the UK...as it just was a very nice evening spent, with a really nice guy[:)]




ShaharThorne -> RE: The economics of restaurants (3/4/2014 11:42:42 PM)

When I go to Austin, Lizard's dad Bo cooks for me. Usually it is a steak on the grill with homemade rolls and a mixed green salad. If I see hamburger patties in the freezer, I defrost some and have him cook me up a burger that defines what the chain joints should make (mixed green lettuces and mayo).




slavekate80 -> RE: The economics of restaurants (3/6/2014 3:14:53 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: windchymes

Not ALL women are impressed by money and being wined and dined. I am way more impressed by a guy who lives within his means, who drives a modest car that might even be paid off, lives in a modest house that he keeps neat and clean. And I'd much rather go to some "mom & pop" style, off the beaten path restaurant who serves really good, home-cooked-style food, has friendly waitstaff and customers who know you when you come in. Like Cheers. Where I can wear jeans and comfy shoes, not heels and a little black dress.

I'm just not impressed by fluff and glitz and cars. I've been there and I'm over it. Impress me with your character and common sense, not your wallet.

And you shouldn't tell a woman money is no object unless it really isn't [;)]


I don't like it, either. I want a man who won't try to win me over, he's himself from the very first minute with no special effort to impress me, and if I like it I can stay and if I don't I can hit the road. Because that's the version of him I'm going to get a couple of months down the road, and I want to know what I'm getting. Plus, I feel guilty when people spend money on me.




Blonderfluff -> RE: The economics of restaurants (3/6/2014 6:41:39 PM)

I'm a die hard homebody. If given a choice, I will ALWAYS choose staying home. My favorite first "real"date (not the coffee meet and greet) would be if he chose a restaurant based on something I've said in conversation. I happened to mention to an ex ( before he was an ex) that I missed the egg rolls I used to be able to get when I lived farther North. Our first date he took me to Chinatown in DC. Not super fancy, but food was amazeballs, and I was utterly touched that he had paid such close attention to a small comment. Waaaay more impressive than dropping $200 bucks on a dinner.




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