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BenevolentM -> We know that it is science fiction (3/2/2014 6:59:04 PM)
I've got something some of you may appreciate. Perhaps I have been christened. The conversation took place outside of collarme/collarchat so fear not, you have not been invaded. A Mormon woman said the following to me. quote: You are a lamanite trying to infect me with evil. I never heard of the word lamanite before, I'm not Mormon and so this is not surprising. It was an interesting experience reading up on it. It was like reading a passage from the Gorean fantasy novels. We know that it is science fiction. It goes to show how naive I am as in lacking in experience.

Aylee -> RE: We know that it is science fiction (3/2/2014 7:18:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM I've got something some of you may appreciate. Perhaps I have been christened. The conversation took place outside of collarme/collarchat so fear not, you have not been invaded. A Mormon woman said the following to me. quote: You are a lamanite trying to infect me with evil. I never heard of the word lamanite before, I'm not Mormon and so this is not surprising. It was an interesting experience reading up on it. It was like reading a passage from the Gorean fantasy novels. We know that it is science fiction. It goes to show how naive I am as in lacking in experience. You were just informed that you "lack Christianity." The Lamanites were one of the four groups of peoples in the Americas and Jesus appeared to them, saved them, and then latter they fell away from him. The problem is that you do not have the magic glasses to read the story in its original. It is much like War and Peace being a better story read in its original Russian that way. The Gor novels are closer to the Barsoom novels, actually. I will also note that it cannot be science fiction if there is NO science in it. This is why "Frankenstein" is NOT science fiction.

BenevolentM -> RE: We know that it is science fiction (3/2/2014 7:32:12 PM)
Some of you may be familiar with my capacity for getting religious so you may find what I have to say here interesting. I feel some of you have treated me unfairly. Anyway, I left out an important piece of information. She is someone I once regarded as mine. She was someone I once loved. If I was managing to seduce her, it was unintentional. We continued to be friends. Sometime after leaving me she converted to Mormonism and so I have an ax to grind. Not because she converted to Mormonism, but because I believe her words suggest the worst, that Mormonism is a cult and she has been brain washed. I am angry. It angers me that someone who I once loved is being exploited in this fashion. There is nothing I can do about it except talk about it. I figure I may find a sympathetic ear here. Because we remained friends and because she respected my opinion she talked to me about him before they got together. I recall how she reassured me that he wasn't a religious nut, that he was cool. Months, later there is what she said about the sort of pressure to conform she was subject to. There is some reason to believe they do things that self-confessed Doms here do not do as it concerns the sort of pressure that is applied. She is my friend and I feel for her.

MrRodgers -> RE: We know that it is science fiction (3/2/2014 7:32:45 PM)
Wait a minute, according to Wiki, some guy named Jesus was to have sent him (Samuel. the lamanite ?) to the Americas around 5 BC and even if they are off a little, that would mean this guy Jesus, was an infant and that's only if one could be born, before...one was born. I have read somewhere that Jesus was born 4 BC ??

BenevolentM -> RE: We know that it is science fiction (3/2/2014 8:27:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers Wait a minute, according to Wiki, some guy named Jesus was to have sent him (Samuel. the lamanite ?) to the Americas around 5 BC and even if they are off a little, that would mean this guy Jesus, was an infant and that's only if one could be born, before...one was born. I have read somewhere that Jesus was born 4 BC ?? I don't know a whole lot about Mormonism. I'm poly, they are poly and so I figured we had some kinship. Some of my ideas of poly shares some similarities with Mormon polygamy. The difference with me is I have had no formal training as a Mormon. I also do not knowingly attempt to mimicked them. I am a Christian with a polygamist bent so some of it makes sense to me. If Jesus was born in 4 B.C., then Jesus was not an infant, but a fetus in the womb. Hence, Jesus must have spoken to Samuel from Mary's belly. Though outlandish it is not necessarily impossible given the Divine origin of the child. There is an incident in the Bible when Mary visits Elizabeth. So, there is Biblical precedence for such communication. I assure you I am not a Moron. I was just thinking about what you wrote.

BenevolentM -> RE: We know that it is science fiction (3/2/2014 8:30:36 PM)
One of the things I noticed is they are hyper-conservative in their thinking, extreme far right. Though I kind of knew this already, it is a little different when you experience something first hand.

BenevolentM -> RE: We know that it is science fiction (3/2/2014 8:41:10 PM)
I recall a class in college on world religions where a woman said when she stood up in class to introduce herself and explain why she took the course married a man who was in a UFO cult. She was shocked that such things existed. It caught her entirely by surprise. He did not divulge his membership and how she was to join before they were married. Sorry, I needed to edit this. Poor transition. Above I am talking about the woman I recall from a class in college. Below I am talking about my friend. From from I recall from my conversations with her, no doubt there was more disclosure. She is behaving strangely. As soon as she opened up to me, there was this heavy clamp where she called me "You are a lamanite trying to infect me with evil." For a moment she became her old self.

BenevolentM -> RE: We know that it is science fiction (3/2/2014 8:47:28 PM)
In retrospect it is possible I was permitted to remain in touch with her as a show of power, that nothing could reach her, and I was proof of this.

BenevolentM -> RE: We know that it is science fiction (3/2/2014 8:58:14 PM)
There are two possibilities. One it is what she wants and she made a pact with the devil or she is going to leave him. She is a witch. By witch I mean a female with the power of manipulation that exceeds mere mortal woman. She is special.

TheHeretic -> RE: We know that it is science fiction (3/2/2014 9:11:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM One of the things I noticed is they are hyper-conservative in their thinking, extreme far right. Religious right, yes, absolutely. Fiscal right, they are pretty middle of the road, with a fondness for infrastructure, good public schools and parks. I was dragged along to their Sunday school a few times, and find their holy book laughable. I also consider the early history of the church to be an ugly stain on the history of my country. You will find very good people, and very good neighbors, in a Mormon church. You'll also find a structure that lends itself very well to the true believer types, a worldview that encompasses life, not just Sunday morning. Is it Tuesday night Bible study, Friday night youth/singles/family group, or are they all brainwashing sessions? It depends on what you think of people of faith, and the communities they form. Do understand though that all the people in her new life will be telling her she'll be better off without you in it. A rotten guy might make it difficult for her to get away, but most people who start getting sucked in to the church, and then decide oh hell no instead, just walk away without more than a missionary call or three. I wouldn't worry about coordinating a rescue and deprogramming mission. ETA: When I say the holy book is laughable, I mean in terms of the mythology - there is some very good stuff in there about being excellent to ones self and each other, too.

BenevolentM -> RE: We know that it is science fiction (3/3/2014 12:14:42 AM)
I believe I have encountered some Mormons lately and didn't even know it. Former friends of mine. All the same drivel. They are militant. I knew that, but again it is another matter to experience it first hand. They are trying to beat the devil at his own game, but the problem is you cannot beat the devil at his own game. It is science fiction.

BenevolentM -> RE: We know that it is science fiction (3/3/2014 12:34:33 AM)
Now Christians often explain this by saying they are obedient to God and told them in effect to beat the devil at his own game. For example, procreation intended to swell the ranks. When taken to an extreme this is a very worldly activity. Organization is more important to them than truth. Again, this is very worldly. Ok, so why is my atheist friend hanging out with the Mormons? Because they have a winning formula for worldly success.

BenevolentM -> RE: We know that it is science fiction (3/3/2014 12:40:11 AM)
Ah, the Mormons feel that in the current economic climate they have the winning formula.

BenevolentM -> RE: We know that it is science fiction (3/3/2014 12:50:17 AM)
The drivel is an exercise in stone walling. You defeat your enemy by not being susceptible to reason.

BenevolentM -> RE: We know that it is science fiction (3/3/2014 12:53:44 AM)
The shallow thinker thinks the drivel must be true because it works! It is the winning formula! It is like saying a dangerous drug sells; hence, if the shit sticks, it's good.

BenevolentM -> RE: We know that it is science fiction (3/3/2014 1:15:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM The drivel is an exercise in stone walling. You defeat your enemy by not being susceptible to reason. I can see why someone might be skeptical of this claim. Are not Mormons trained to exercise their reason and engage in intellectual/spiritual combat? If the things you speak of do not exist, if you exercise your intellect upon such subjects, the result is unconquerable gibberish. Garbage in, garbage out.

BenevolentM -> RE: We know that it is science fiction (3/3/2014 1:25:40 AM)
How does it compare with religions such as Catholicism? In Catholicism for example there is at least an attempt to ensure that the objects of discourse exist. Now an atheist might argue what's the point, though perhaps well meaning, the outcome is the same if the objects of discourse do not exist. At least the heart is in the right place. You have got to give them an A for effort. What effort does Mormonism make? Not a great deal. Nothing in comparison to the sort of care that Catholics take. Now before anyone accuses me of contradicting myself. Though I do not know a great deal about Mormonism, I kind of figure I know enough.

BenevolentM -> RE: We know that it is science fiction (3/3/2014 1:52:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM Now Christians often explain this by saying they are obedient to God and told them in effect to beat the devil at his own game. This is true, but it is implicit that the battle is forlorn. We are commanded by the Christian God to engage in forlorn battle.

BenevolentM -> RE: We know that it is science fiction (3/3/2014 1:58:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM Now Christians often explain this by saying they are obedient to God and told them in effect to beat the devil at his own game. This is true, but it is implicit that the battle is forlorn. We are commanded by the Christian God to engage in forlorn battle. This is why the story of Don Quixote is not a mockery of Christianity. Tilting at windmills is the soul of the Christian mission.

BenevolentM -> RE: We know that it is science fiction (3/3/2014 2:00:29 AM)
You bring hope where there is none.

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