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RE: For the Anti Pit Bull _________s - 3/6/2014 12:19:57 PM   
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HA ha ha, are they also gluten intolerant? I always have such a hard time convincing grannies to not give the Dobies bread, as it will result in lethal farts, I mean so bad that the cats leave the room. Next person who gives them pizza crust or a sandwich, I'll lock them up with the dogs for an hour, if they survive, they'll never ever consider given them wheat products!

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RE: For the Anti Pit Bull _________s - 3/6/2014 1:27:57 PM   
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Pit bulls are terriers. Terriers have very strong prey drives. They will chase and attack other animals naturally. Training them not to is very difficult. That is what happened with that horse. People get the mistaken impression that because the animals are safe with people that they are safe with animals and that is simply untrue.

Pits can be safe if bred responsibly and owned by experienced responsible people who socialize and train them properly. Otherwise...




The same mistake people make with Jack Russells and Yorkshire Terriers - my vet describes them as "Bred with enough aggression and drive to go after anything, not enough brain to be afraid of anything!"

I don't completely agree with this, but a Terrier is essentially a WORKING DOG, which is completely different from a pet, take Huskies, there are House Huskies, Working Huskies, Show Huskies, a friend got a working one and he ended giving the dog to a farmer, where it's a real asset, smart, helpful, works just like a Border Collie, the reason why he gave the dog away - dog destroyed the house twice, and by destroyed I mean destroyed, they came home to find their furniture ripped to shreds, carpets ripped up, holes in the wall.... Not the fault of the dog, it's a high energy dog who doesn't have an outlet, it's buzzing with energy. Same goes for Terriers, they need to be exercised a lot and trained a lot, if they aren't the pent up energy can turn into aggression. If you don't train them the right way and be their pack leader, they will run wild.

I'm sometimes freaking out when people have no control over their dogs and they ask me how I keep those 2 big dogs under control and if maybe Dobies are really easy to train, they're effing not, they are easy to train in the respect that they are a damned smart breed and learn quickly, the only problem with that is they learn just as quickly to get around commands, how to get away with shit. A dog will always assess you, if you're still the leader, it's not malicious, it's the pack instinct, only a good leader can keep the pack secure. If somebody complains that their dog doesn't listen, first thing I ask them where the dog sits and sleeps, if it's on the furniture, in general you have the root of the problem right here and there, same height as humans, no clear message where their place in the pack is, sometimes they sit a bit higher, even worse, when do they eat? In a dog pack you eat according to rank, so feed your dogs AFTER you've eaten and never from your plate. Translate it to human behaviour, if you're the boss of the company, you give the orders, you don't take orders from the bottom of the food chain, the dog isn't naughty or disobedient, the dog is just a dog and the owner failed to show the dog the proper place, the dog refuses to take orders from the person lower down the pecking order, the dog might love you, but it sure as hell doesn't respect you as a superior.

Dobies make much better companion dogs despite their size because they are not bred to be high energy nor to have that terrier prey drive. Obviously they need work and discipline like any dog but besides boxers, my brother breeds boxers, I think dobies make ideal pets if you want a medium to large dog.

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RE: For the Anti Pit Bull _________s - 3/6/2014 1:51:24 PM   
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Actually we disagree somewhat, Dobies are high energy dogs and certainly more on the large side, they were originally bred to be protective dogs, they're the 5th smartest breed, which means a lot of work, a lot more work than boxers (who I think are smashing dogs but not the same high maintenance), I agree that they make ideal pets but they do need a lot of control, exercise and work, they're not sofa dogs, they are wonderful dogs but naturally very very confident and smart, the more clever the dog, the more work. I love Border Collies, but that would mean that I would have to have a huge piece of land and keep them busy. I think basically the whole pecking order thing is the same with any breed, the same things apply, but individual breeds need more or less exercise and training. I honestly wouldn't recommend Dobies to anybody who doesn't have the time or the inclination to put in the work, essentially they are a working dog breed, they are velcro dogs but they do need a firm but loving hand. Personally I think they are the best dogs ever (as anybody who is hooked on a breed) all mine come from rescues and I couldn't ask for better dogs, but I do enjoy working with them, somebody who doesn't do that (or in the words of hubby isn't "such a control freak"), it's not a good dog to have. Formidable jaws, naturally protective, confident, take charge dogs, in the wrong hands they can be ticking time bombs. I'm really good with dogs, but with 2 of them and the pack dynamic, I figured a dog trainer is prudent. again, just tiny hints but they made a massive difference...

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RE: For the Anti Pit Bull _________s - 3/6/2014 2:04:03 PM   
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okily dokily,for the sake for shortening this post a pit,just assume that I've quoted LadyConstanze post about vicious kitties and the list of dog attack statistics
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I have a queensland heeler,and my room mate has a pit boxer mix(both female)

The pit mix is the absalute sweetest dumbest sweetest dumbest dog ever...I can not over state how sweet and dumb this dog is.....really....she's as sweet as she is dumb and she's pretty dumb....there must be a bowl of sugar where her brain should be.............My heeler on the other hand...well that's a different story

lemme start at the beginning,I've never before owned a dog.I've always had a cat,but never a dog.Cats kill things,bury their poop,and are self cleaning,but a lil over three years ago I got adopted by an adorable ball of fluff that is now Toki(my queensland).It just showed up one day while I was moving in,and knowing nothing about dogs,I assumed she was some sort of dalmatian pit mix.I even tried to adopt her out,since my landlord wanted a 300 dollar pet deposit,and I wasn't keen on having a dog,even an adorable ball of energy that is a heeler puppy.I eventually gave in,the lil gal had nuzzled her way into my heart,I later found out that a whole litter of pure bred blue heelers had been left behind in base housing a few miles from my house,Toki must had escaped and wandered to the first friendly face she found.At this point,I'll re iterate that I've never owned a dog before,never trained one,looked after one,nothing..
I didn't know that they are more prone to disease then the self cleaning cat
and before you can say"did she get her shots yet"she came down with parvo
With a bag full of fluids and persistence,she made it.and boy howdy did she recover her strength.
The second challenge was to find a way to keep her in the yard while I was a work.
She had a habit of escaping and terrorizing my neighbors,she'd herd em
any one she saw in the street was either cuddle "I love you do you have treats for me"mugged or nipped at their heels till they found shelter.
the lil gal broke almost every chain I put her on,and this was when she was barely 30 pounds,still not even fully grown,I had to get a heavy duty chain from the hardware store in the end..not to mention her excavation ability,apparently queenslands are mostly dingo with just nuff herding dog in them to make them drop the baby and chase a bull half way across the out back,and one of the main things dingos are known for is making large burrows for themselves .but eventually I got her to calm a bit.Luckily heelers are easy to train,and now I can even leave the gate open with out her wandering off(unless she sees a cat....she looooves chasing cats,she doesn't hurt them,when she corners them,she just tries to bat at them....did I mention she's playful).I've never trained her to be aggressive,but one of the reasons I decided to keep her was for protection,even thou I live in a nice small rural town,I live in a really bad part of it.I've had my house broken into twice,once before I even fully moved in.With no real training what so ever,she has become a rather good guard dog.My next door neighbor whom I share a yard with has people coming and going all hours of the day(he's a wanna be drug dealer),and only when they touch something of mine does she react...I don't even know how she knows.For instance,one day while sitting in my couch,dog sleeping next to me,she suddenly rears up and raises hell at the door.I look outside and sure enough,two idiots are cutting the lock to my bike and trying to steal it....I didn't even hear a thing,and some how she knew that not only were there people in the garage,but they were attempting to take off with my stuff.....and she was asleep....I wouldn't even know How to train a dog to do that,I don't even know if it's possible to train a dog to do that,but some how,she's learned to do it,and she does it well enough to do it in her sleep.more recently I heard glass shattering at an odd hour in the morning...it was the window of my car,and there was a man walking away calmly,from my car......I confronted the man who proceed to argue with me,all the while toki,stayed right at the open gate,alert but silent,after a few minutes of shouting the man then shoved me and made a run for it,with out having to say a word,toki was on him like white on rice.had him by the ankle and when he turned to combat her,she reacted by darting back and forth in and out like a prize fighter on meth,pretty much pinning the dude where he was.in the commotion, my tape player dropped out of his waist band and he took off running,toki gave chase for just a few seconds and then trotted back like nothing happened......Like I said,I've never had a dog before,and she was too young when I got her to have been trained by a previous owner.I have no idea how she knows what to do,since I haven't the slightest clue of how to train a dog other then rub their nose in it when they've done something bad in the house.Did I mention that she's just barely 45 pounds,and she confronts full grown men.Not to mention that the rest of the time she's only aggressively friendly,even to complete strangers(except for anyone dressed like santaclause,she fucking hates santa).As for the pit/boxer mix,When my roommate said they had a pit,at first I was nervous,but it quickly became apparent that I didn't have to worry a bit bout it.The fist day was tense,but it was toki that was aggressive and dangerous,not the pit,but after then they've been besties.there was an incident when the pit was away for bout a month(the pits a lil over a year old and she has a habbit of running of like toki did,but not smart nuff to find her way back)and when she came back,both were in heat.Toki got ubber territorial and nearly killed the poor lil pitty who was not able to defend herself adequately,but the animosity quickly faded after some quick smacks to the bottom.
as for the pit's behavoir,other then chewing on things she shouldn't a repeatedly pooping in the house,ect.
she's an exceptionally sweet dog,not a mean bone in her body.give her a lil praise and she nearly falls apart with glee.raise a voice in her direction and she hides.When she gets loose,the only thing she does is beg for human food and human attention,from complete strangers to familiar faces(I lied a bit when I said that toki likes strangers,she likes some,if the person is sketchy looking,she keeps her distance,unlike the pit who loves everybody).my only problem is that she's dumb as a rock....

oh,and as for mean kitties,the last cat I had,I had adopted from the pound as a kitten when I moved into a house that had been derelict for years(I had squirrels...inside the house).I then proceeded with what I called "Spartan training" the lil fluff ball.Catching live flies for her to play with when she was tiny and giving her lots of praise when she dispatched them ect.she started on the squirrel problem when she was still smaller then they were.When the time came to get her fixed,I left her at the vet,and when I came back,I got a story of how it took three trained vets to hold her down just to sedate her.......I felt so proud lol

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RE: For the Anti Pit Bull _________s - 3/6/2014 2:09:26 PM   
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LOL, I think you are backing me up in the "no bad dogs but plenty of idiot dog owners" seriously, there are dog owners who I think would be seriously challenged when owning and looking after a gold fish, and then people wonder why shit happens....

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RE: For the Anti Pit Bull _________s - 3/6/2014 2:11:02 PM   
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oh,and just as a comparison of the two dogs,the laser test
Toki will chase it for a bit,but quickly gets bored of chasing something she can't chew or eat,and the starts to investigate the laser pointer itself,the pit on the other hand is completely addicted to the lil red dot and after hours of hours of hours of chasing it...will still chase it....and chase it....and chase it.....long after toki has sniffed the hand holding the strange light and gone back to napping

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RE: For the Anti Pit Bull _________s - 3/6/2014 2:13:55 PM   
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LOL, I think you are backing me up in the "no bad dogs but plenty of idiot dog owners" seriously, there are dog owners who I think would be seriously challenged when owning and looking after a gold fish, and then people wonder why shit happens....

What,she didn't bring a manual with her.she just showed up and wouldn't leave lol

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RE: For the Anti Pit Bull _________s - 3/6/2014 2:17:08 PM   
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oh,and as for mean kitties,the last cat I had,I had adopted from the pound as a kitten when I moved into a house that had been derelict for years(I had squirrels...inside the house).I then proceeded with what I called "Spartan training" the lil fluff ball.Catching live flies for her to play with when she was tiny and giving her lots of praise when she dispatched them ect.she started on the squirrel problem when she was still smaller then they were.When the time came to get her fixed,I left her at the vet,and when I came back,I got a story of how it took three trained vets to hold her down just to sedate her.......I felt so proud lol


I always get a giggle at the vets, both Dobies (and both are BIG, ask Peon) have the note "very placid and friendly" the girl has the "use padlock, has figured out mechanical lock" on the file, the cats both have "kevlar gloves recommended" on their file, the Dobies might pin down a burglar because they think he came to play, the cats would rearrange his features....

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RE: For the Anti Pit Bull _________s - 3/6/2014 2:23:43 PM   
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oh,and as for mean kitties,the last cat I had,I had adopted from the pound as a kitten when I moved into a house that had been derelict for years(I had squirrels...inside the house).I then proceeded with what I called "Spartan training" the lil fluff ball.Catching live flies for her to play with when she was tiny and giving her lots of praise when she dispatched them ect.she started on the squirrel problem when she was still smaller then they were.When the time came to get her fixed,I left her at the vet,and when I came back,I got a story of how it took three trained vets to hold her down just to sedate her.......I felt so proud lol


I always get a giggle at the vets, both Dobies (and both are BIG, ask Peon) have the note "very placid and friendly" the girl has the "use padlock, has figured out mechanical lock" on the file, the cats both have "kevlar gloves recommended" on their file, the Dobies might pin down a burglar because they think he came to play, the cats would rearrange his features....

another pet story
bout the same cat
My buddy comes by with a brand new kitten to show me and leaves.The cat happened to be particularly fond of this buddy of mine since he spent alot of time lounging round my house. the day after he brought round the other kitten,he's sitting on my couch minding his own business when suddenly my cat climbs up the side of the couch to be at eye level,hisses and smacks him in the face so loud I heard it across the room,no claws....I think she got jealous

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RE: For the Anti Pit Bull _________s - 3/6/2014 2:38:49 PM   
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Pit bulls are terriers. Terriers have very strong prey drives. They will chase and attack other animals naturally. Training them not to is very difficult. That is what happened with that horse. People get the mistaken impression that because the animals are safe with people that they are safe with animals and that is simply untrue.

Pits can be safe if bred responsibly and owned by experienced responsible people who socialize and train them properly. Otherwise...


Ya, my rescue husky was fine with people but had to be socialized to other dogs and was never allowed in the same room with the cats.

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RE: For the Anti Pit Bull _________s - 3/6/2014 2:42:21 PM   
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I don't completely agree with this, but a Terrier is essentially a WORKING DOG, which is completely different from a pet, take Huskies, there are House Huskies, Working Huskies, Show Huskies, a friend got a working one and he ended giving the dog to a farmer, where it's a real asset, smart, helpful, works just like a Border Collie, the reason why he gave the dog away - dog destroyed the house twice, and by destroyed I mean destroyed, they came home to find their furniture ripped to shreds, carpets ripped up, holes in the wall.... Not the fault of the dog, it's a high energy dog who doesn't have an outlet, it's buzzing with energy. Same goes for Terriers, they need to be exercised a lot and trained a lot, if they aren't the pent up energy can turn into aggression. If you don't train them the right way and be their pack leader, they will run wild.


After some lesser shredding, R ended up taking our husky to work with him and took him to Dog Park during the day. I walked him for 1/2 mile in the AM and up to two miles at night. Eventually, he was fine being left alone, but not in the beginning when he had separation anxiety.

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RE: For the Anti Pit Bull _________s - 3/6/2014 2:46:53 PM   
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Pit bulls are terriers. Terriers have very strong prey drives. They will chase and attack other animals naturally. Training them not to is very difficult. That is what happened with that horse. People get the mistaken impression that because the animals are safe with people that they are safe with animals and that is simply untrue.

Pits can be safe if bred responsibly and owned by experienced responsible people who socialize and train them properly. Otherwise...


Ya, my rescue husky was fine with people but had to be socialized to other dogs and was never allowed in the same room with the cats.


One of the reasons why opted against a Weimaraner, I really love the breed, basically Dobies of a different colour, but unless another small furry grew up with them, they will see it as prey and defend their turf, since I have cats, it wouldn't have been a great idea, they have much more of a hunting instinct and are more territorial. Knowing my cats and what bastards they can be, I didn't want a maimed Weimaraner... They are fine with the Dobies who just accept them as pack members, while the cats accept the dogs as subordinates....

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RE: For the Anti Pit Bull _________s - 3/6/2014 2:56:06 PM   
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My husky loved the Weimaraners at dog park! They would run and run and run and he loved to chase.

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RE: For the Anti Pit Bull _________s - 3/6/2014 2:58:56 PM   
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Actually we disagree somewhat, Dobies are high energy dogs and certainly more on the large side, they were originally bred to be protective dogs, they're the 5th smartest breed, which means a lot of work, a lot more work than boxers (who I think are smashing dogs but not the same high maintenance), I agree that they make ideal pets but they do need a lot of control, exercise and work, they're not sofa dogs, they are wonderful dogs but naturally very very confident and smart, the more clever the dog, the more work. I love Border Collies, but that would mean that I would have to have a huge piece of land and keep them busy. I think basically the whole pecking order thing is the same with any breed, the same things apply, but individual breeds need more or less exercise and training. I honestly wouldn't recommend Dobies to anybody who doesn't have the time or the inclination to put in the work, essentially they are a working dog breed, they are velcro dogs but they do need a firm but loving hand. Personally I think they are the best dogs ever (as anybody who is hooked on a breed) all mine come from rescues and I couldn't ask for better dogs, but I do enjoy working with them, somebody who doesn't do that (or in the words of hubby isn't "such a control freak"), it's not a good dog to have. Formidable jaws, naturally protective, confident, take charge dogs, in the wrong hands they can be ticking time bombs. I'm really good with dogs, but with 2 of them and the pack dynamic, I figured a dog trainer is prudent. again, just tiny hints but they made a massive difference...

IMO all dogs need their people to spend time with them to burn off some energy and to build up the bond and establish the pack dynamic. Dobies are better companions than the terriers or herding breeds which need a lot of exercise and much more supervision. And personally I'd rather have a smart challenging animal than a dumb one (spend any time around boxers and you'll understand what I mean).

Just like any medium to large breed they can be a problem if not managed properly but considering all the trade offs dobies may not be #1 on the list but they are not far from the top.

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RE: For the Anti Pit Bull _________s - 3/6/2014 3:03:59 PM   
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My husky loved the Weimaraners at dog park! They would run and run and run and he loved to chase.


That's another dog, but if you have cats (and at the time I had pet rats and cats, coexisting which was a bit of a challenge anyway as cats are stubborn creatures), the Weimaraner would have seen small non-canine animals as prey invading his or her space, they are bred for hunting and have the hunting instinct, it might have been possible (though I thought it prudent to not take the risk) to get them used to cats and rats, it would have been very difficult, simply due to the breed and breed's instincts. With a puppy not a problem, but I wouldn't ever consider getting a dog from a breeder, especially given the amount of dogs in shelters looking for a home... I like Dobies just as much as Weimaraners and there are plenty of Dobies looking for homes, after a few days the cats established who's the boss and ever since things are the way the cats want it to be... Strange cats will be chased away from our backyard, but any strange dog trying to chase our cats, oh we can't have that, stay away from pack members....

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RE: For the Anti Pit Bull _________s - 3/6/2014 3:13:36 PM   
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Two fatal dog maulings in the last couple of weeks made national news, guess what?

Neither of them were committed by Pit bulls.

The first was a shepherd mix, possibly feral. The second was a Bull Mastif that had been cruelly teased by kids in the neighborhood for months.

4 year old killed by dog


New Jersey teen, 13, killed by 115-pound dog that also attacked another teen and its owner Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/n-teen-killed-115-pound-dog-wounded-article-1.1707604#ixzz2uwShitH5

and here are some stats for you to study.








Any dog (with the weight and strength to attack),if interchanged and treated the same way many Terriers are,would have the same result.

I also find it interesting and funny that the gunnuters seem to be the most afraid of pitbulls and people with pitbulls.

No problem with kids being eviscerated by AR-15s w/ 200 round mags but are squeamish that a pitbull would kill a kid.....

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RE: For the Anti Pit Bull _________s - 3/6/2014 3:16:31 PM   
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IMO all dogs need their people to spend time with them to burn off some energy and to build up the bond and establish the pack dynamic. Dobies are better companions than the terriers or herding breeds which need a lot of exercise and much more supervision. And personally I'd rather have a smart challenging animal than a dumb one (spend any time around boxers and you'll understand what I mean).

Just like any medium to large breed they can be a problem if not managed properly but considering all the trade offs dobies may not be #1 on the list but they are not far from the top.



I do know what you mean with Boxers, friends have a Beagle, try that for really dumb dogs, in terms of exercise, a lot of people underestimate Dobies, hence so many pedigrees end up in shelters. while their idea of working is guarding the sofa, they do need to run and use their brains or weird things happen to your personal belongings (girlie likes hubby's boxer shorts and will sneak into the room where we keep our clothes and will carry all the boxers and socks up to form a line in the living room), I'm doing some volunteer work with charities, one of them a blind charity and they found that the Dobies have a natural affinity to disabled people and took them into the training program. Great stuff, really apart from the fact that learned to bring clothes, so they bring you clothes when you get up and they don't distinguish very much, I'm wearing 26" jeans, hubby wears 38" jeans, if they bring you a pair of jeans they insist you wear them or they have a strop (and they don't give a toss about the size). Also they learned underwear, then socks, then jeans, then sweater or t-shirt, if you change the order, they will bark and strop.... And don't get me started about their colour coordination... Fashion sense is not something they're born with...

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RE: For the Anti Pit Bull _________s - 3/6/2014 3:17:41 PM   
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I have a pit-mutt,cyle and a rottie-mutt, rosie.

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RE: For the Anti Pit Bull _________s - 3/6/2014 3:20:22 PM   
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Two fatal dog maulings in the last couple of weeks made national news, guess what?

Neither of them were committed by Pit bulls.

The first was a shepherd mix, possibly feral. The second was a Bull Mastif that had been cruelly teased by kids in the neighborhood for months.

4 year old killed by dog


New Jersey teen, 13, killed by 115-pound dog that also attacked another teen and its owner Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/n-teen-killed-115-pound-dog-wounded-article-1.1707604#ixzz2uwShitH5

and here are some stats for you to study.








Any dog (with the weight and strength to attack),if interchanged and treated the same way many Terriers are,would have the same result.

I also find it interesting and funny that the gunnuters seem to be the most afraid of pitbulls and people with pitbulls.

No problem with kids being eviscerated by AR-15s w/ 200 round mags but are squeamish that pitbull would kill a kid.....


I always find that really really strange, I mean dogs aren't bred for the sole purpose of killing people, no doubt there are just as many irresponsible dog owners as there are irresponsible gun owners, but nobody ever bitches about the irresponsible gun owners or actually blames a particular type of gun...

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RE: For the Anti Pit Bull _________s - 3/6/2014 4:05:18 PM   
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IMO all dogs need their people to spend time with them to burn off some energy and to build up the bond and establish the pack dynamic. Dobies are better companions than the terriers or herding breeds which need a lot of exercise and much more supervision. And personally I'd rather have a smart challenging animal than a dumb one (spend any time around boxers and you'll understand what I mean).

Just like any medium to large breed they can be a problem if not managed properly but considering all the trade offs dobies may not be #1 on the list but they are not far from the top.



I do know what you mean with Boxers, friends have a Beagle, try that for really dumb dogs, in terms of exercise, a lot of people underestimate Dobies, hence so many pedigrees end up in shelters. while their idea of working is guarding the sofa, they do need to run and use their brains or weird things happen to your personal belongings (girlie likes hubby's boxer shorts and will sneak into the room where we keep our clothes and will carry all the boxers and socks up to form a line in the living room), I'm doing some volunteer work with charities, one of them a blind charity and they found that the Dobies have a natural affinity to disabled people and took them into the training program. Great stuff, really apart from the fact that learned to bring clothes, so they bring you clothes when you get up and they don't distinguish very much, I'm wearing 26" jeans, hubby wears 38" jeans, if they bring you a pair of jeans they insist you wear them or they have a strop (and they don't give a toss about the size). Also they learned underwear, then socks, then jeans, then sweater or t-shirt, if you change the order, they will bark and strop.... And don't get me started about their colour coordination... Fashion sense is not something they're born with...

Dogs are sort of color blind so fashion sense means something else to them.

BTW I'm not sure beagles are dumb. Just all their brains are in their noses. They really are the best hounds.

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