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RE: Attacks on Americans - 5/10/2014 4:42:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		The U.S. is inferior to 40 other countries in the rate of maternal mortality (women dying of childbirth or of avoidable, post-childbirth complications).


The US averages 27 maternal deaths per 100000 people, that means we are 48th,

So he was wrong we are 48th not 41st? Well that sure knocked the shit out of his arguement?

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RE: Attacks on Americans - 5/10/2014 6:20:55 PM   
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The U.S. is inferior to 40 other countries in the rate of maternal mortality (women dying of childbirth or of avoidable, post-childbirth complications).


The US averages 27 maternal deaths per 100000 people, that means we are 48th,

So he was wrong we are 48th not 41st? Well that sure knocked the shit out of his arguement?



The point is that the UK is not much better.

And if you bothered to research the topic, you would see that 27 maternal deaths is not a bad number, considering the possible complications in child birth. Considering the quality of health care depends on your health coverage, and the number of families below the poverty line, we are in fairly good shape.

The countries ahead of us have some form of socialized medical care.

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RE: Attacks on Americans - 5/10/2014 6:36:49 PM   
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The U.S. is inferior to 40 other countries in the rate of maternal mortality (women dying of childbirth or of avoidable, post-childbirth complications).


The US averages 27 maternal deaths per 100000 people, that means we are 48th,

So he was wrong we are 48th not 41st? Well that sure knocked the shit out of his arguement?



The point is that the UK is not much better.

And if you bothered to research the topic, you would see that 27 maternal deaths is not a bad number, considering the possible complications in child birth. Considering the quality of health care depends on your health coverage, and the number of families below the poverty line, we are in fairly good shape.

The countries ahead of us have some form of socialized medical care.

ummm.. so are medical emergencies here in the US.. which I think having a baby would qualify as.. unless there are incidents of birthing mothers being turned away due to lack of insurance? and isn't Medicad and medicare considered to be "socialized medical care"?

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RE: Attacks on Americans - 5/10/2014 6:56:29 PM   
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The U.S. is inferior to 40 other countries in the rate of maternal mortality (women dying of childbirth or of avoidable, post-childbirth complications).


The US averages 27 maternal deaths per 100000 people, that means we are 48th,

So he was wrong we are 48th not 41st? Well that sure knocked the shit out of his arguement?



The point is that the UK is not much better.

And if you bothered to research the topic, you would see that 27 maternal deaths is not a bad number, considering the possible complications in child birth. Considering the quality of health care depends on your health coverage, and the number of families below the poverty line, we are in fairly good shape.


You seem to be saying that among the most fucked up we are not the worst of the fucked up???

The countries ahead of us have some form of socialized medical care.

You are preaching to the choir here


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RE: Attacks on Americans - 5/10/2014 7:07:25 PM   
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The U.S. is inferior to 40 other countries in the rate of maternal mortality (women dying of childbirth or of avoidable, post-childbirth complications).


The US averages 27 maternal deaths per 100000 people, that means we are 48th,

So he was wrong we are 48th not 41st? Well that sure knocked the shit out of his arguement?



The point is that the UK is not much better.

And if you bothered to research the topic, you would see that 27 maternal deaths is not a bad number, considering the possible complications in child birth. Considering the quality of health care depends on your health coverage, and the number of families below the poverty line, we are in fairly good shape.

The countries ahead of us have some form of socialized medical care.

ummm.. so are medical emergencies here in the US.. which I think having a baby would qualify as.. unless there are incidents of birthing mothers being turned away due to lack of insurance? and isn't Medicad and medicare considered to be "socialized medical care"?



Actually the law requires private hospitals to provide stabilizing care before transporting the patient to another hospital.

Basically that means that unless the birth is happening right at that moment, the can be transported to another hospital.

Since no one is bothering to check the states and the number of countries in question, we are number 136 out of 184 with 184 being the least number of maternal deaths.source

To actually rate as badly as the op implies, we would have to have 300 maternal deaths per hundred thousand population.

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RE: Attacks on Americans - 5/10/2014 7:17:02 PM   
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Actually the law requires private hospitals to provide stabilizing care before transporting the patient to another hospital.

Basically that means that unless the birth is happening right at that moment, the can be transported to another hospital.


yes but they do go to a hospital and get care.. just as in countries with "socialized medical care".. the only difference is in who gets the bill & (in the US) if it is ever paid..

it will be interesting to see if Obamacare makes any difference in the maternal death rates once its been around for a while.. I dont think it will make that much of a difference at all..

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RE: Attacks on Americans - 5/11/2014 8:16:54 AM   
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Raising the minimum wage is attractive to people, since there is a general feel of 'lost ground' due to events in America. That a family of four with two wage earners making minimum wage at 40 hours/week are STILL needing many government programs (that we, the taxpayers are paying for) just to make ends meet. The majority of these Americans are not junkies, screwballs, or those 'gaming the system'. They are good natured, hard working, individuals that want their community and nation to prosper. They have little to no actual power or influence to change their circumstances. So the raising of the wage would be a 'get even' with companies that keep obtaining 'record net profits' by keeping wages low. My view on this is, that companies take the short period of decreased profits while increasing their worker's pay and/or hiring more workers. Long term, they would not only regain the ground lost in those profits not taken, but acquire higher levels of profits. There exists heaps of financial and economic history that shows this to be correct. When companies piss off Americans, Americans will simply use government to 'get even'. So really, companies stand to benefit from doing things on their own rather than being forced to do them. For example, Wal-Mart, the largest retailer on the planet, ups its pay of worker to $13.5/hour and hires more workers (in the US), would stand to benefit from such a move. When it does, others would likely follow suit.


I don't think raising the minimum wage to 10.10 is much of an answer, very short term it gives the "feeling" of catching up but it will not take much time before rising costs & rising rents put those people right back where they were before the "raise".. plus they will be paying more of their income back in tax! The real and biggest problem is that there is no affordable housing for low wage earners.. affordable housing is defined as no more than 30% of your income spent on housing, and a lot of people are spending much more than that, they are spending as much as 55% of their income for rent.. which means they must choose between paying their rent or buying food.. the govt decided to use a quick "fix" called Section 8 to help them but imo that's a major fail.. from what I understand of that is it takes years to get that help & some landlords wont accept Section 8, etc.. Imo, the govt needs to build affordable housing.. but that unfortunately wont happen, even tho it would be a real solution if enough housing was built.. and here in the US, the govt is so corrupt that it would be just another taxpayer rip-off anyway.. So even if there is a 10.10 minimum wage, expect more and more people becoming homeless or living on top of each other like rats in small cages..

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RE: Attacks on Americans - 5/13/2014 10:27:50 AM   
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ummm.. so are medical emergencies here in the US.. which I think having a baby would qualify as.. unless there are incidents of birthing mothers being turned away due to lack of insurance? and isn't Medicad and medicare considered to be "socialized medical care"?


One of the main things with a pregnancy if you have no insurance and don't have a big pot of money is the fact that there will be little or no pre-natal care to identify problems.

Medicaid was sold to the public as a cost saving measure over having Public Health Service free clinics available to all. It ended up as a huge bureaucratic structure devoted to having poor people run a monstrous treadmill trying to prove that they qualify for benefits rather than actually providing benefits.

Medicare started as a supplement to Social Security to help defray rising health costs to elderly on a fixed income.

No one yet has addressed controlling health care costs at all. I still think we need an anti-trust bill so the SEC can disconnect for profit insurance companies from owning for profit health care providers. Get rid of that incentive to keep prices spiraling up to show a better quarterly bottom line.

A change to "single invoice" medical billing would be a godsend to patients. If you have a procedure done in a hospital, you should be able to write a check to the hospital for the cost. As it is today, weeks and months later you keep receiving bills from people you have no clue existed wanting money for vague and incomprehensible reasons. No one will tell you how much you will be charged for a given item.

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RE: Attacks on Americans - 5/13/2014 2:13:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		That Alex guy is a scam artist. I don't think his stuff qualifies as a documentary. Is that where you think the information is coming from? If you do, I agree that it would be propaganda.

What I posted is not. It's about court cases, in America, in the UK and other places I've forgotten. Anyway, the point about spying doesn't bug me. LOL I live out loud, don't do immoral or harmful things... as humans go, my need for privacy is almost nil.

The concern is about how the emissions from this new equipment is changing our DNA.

So far, no one has posted any evidence to refute the evidence I presented. Hey, wouldn't it be great if someone, anyone, could come up with a rebuttal beyond their own opinion?

Back it up! Present the studies, the court cases, the policy making sources - which I offered earlier in the thread.

Instead of doing the homework, doing the research, some posters here are content to sit on their laurels and proclaim, I have an opinion - bow to it because it's my opinion. LOL

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RE: Attacks on Americans - 5/13/2014 2:25:27 PM   
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So, you want your opinion to be respected. Nope. No reason to. Back it up!!! Where's the science, the law, the news? It's just unrealistic to think that anyone believes you just because you have a thought or typed a sentence. Oh, and let's not forget about the power you wield with the attempt to put yourself up by putting me down. Kid, LOL. I'd be embarrassed if I did that.

Put up or shut up. Where's your reference? As of now, pulling an opinion out of your ass simply doesn't impress.

Oh, the put up or shut up doesn't mean I think that you will obey. It's more of a declaration of unworthiness of further attention. Add something besides yourself, - now THAT, can be of interest.

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RE: Attacks on Americans - 5/13/2014 2:26:16 PM   
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One of the main things with a pregnancy if you have no insurance and don't have a big pot of money is the fact that there will be little or no pre-natal care to identify problems.

Medicaid was sold to the public as a cost saving measure over having Public Health Service free clinics available to all. It ended up as a huge bureaucratic structure devoted to having poor people run a monstrous treadmill trying to prove that they qualify for benefits rather than actually providing benefits.

Medicare started as a supplement to Social Security to help defray rising health costs to elderly on a fixed income.

No one yet has addressed controlling health care costs at all. I still think we need an anti-trust bill so the SEC can disconnect for profit insurance companies from owning for profit health care providers. Get rid of that incentive to keep prices spiraling up to show a better quarterly bottom line.

A change to "single invoice" medical billing would be a godsend to patients. If you have a procedure done in a hospital, you should be able to write a check to the hospital for the cost. As it is today, weeks and months later you keep receiving bills from people you have no clue existed wanting money for vague and incomprehensible reasons. No one will tell you how much you will be charged for a given item.

When I think of maternal death I think of women that die in childbirth but I guess some might die before that but are those numbers that great that having prenatal care would change where the US is on the list?

I am a Canadian so in my country if you are a citizen (or legal resident) then you have healthcare.. (you need to apply for it, of course, and are given a medical card to show doctors etc).. the cost for 1 person is reasonable (for me it would be $65/m) unless you are low income then its free.. its not a perfect system but it is an easy uncomplicated system that works pretty good on the whole..

My personal opinion of this country is that its just plain nuts.. everything has become extremely bureaucratic with a long list of shite you need to "qualify" for what you need.. so if you are missing one item on that list (lack of acceptable ID, for instance) then you are shit outta luck.. there is no humanity, no common sense..Why the US govt has come up with these perverted systems is beyond me but that's the way the US works.. ya'll do things the absolutely hardest way you can, it seems.. its a paper pushers paradise..

its crazy.. take a homeless person whose ID was stolen, for them to get a copy of their birth certificate they need to have photo ID.. to get photo ID they need their birth certificate (& have a residential address)... so how does someone get the ID they need to get the govt/non-profit help they need?

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RE: Attacks on Americans - 5/13/2014 2:38:08 PM   
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ummm.. so are medical emergencies here in the US.. which I think having a baby would qualify as.. unless there are incidents of birthing mothers being turned away due to lack of insurance? and isn't Medicad and medicare considered to be "socialized medical care"?


One of the main things with a pregnancy if you have no insurance and don't have a big pot of money is the fact that there will be little or no pre-natal care to identify problems.


Amnesty International evaluated the problem. Yes, Merc, lack of, or inadequate prenatal care is definitely a factor. But, they also found that American women died postpartum, due to avoidable errors. One shocker was discovering that something as simple as knowing to wear compression leggings after giving birth can almost eliminate the risk of dying of blood clots.

Bottom line, until women unite to create a new reality for themselves, they're just going to keep dying.

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RE: Attacks on Americans - 5/13/2014 2:44:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		tj, some maternal deaths do happen during the delivery, while some happen during pregnancy, but the most avoidable ones happen in the months immediately following the delivery. That means that something happened earlier and it took some time to become fatal. Thus, the avoidable part.

I think America is lost in red tape because it profits a tiny, wealthy, powerful group to maintain, or to expand, the red tape maze.

I lived in Canada, worked there and had prenatal care there. It was great. Clean, kind and efficient.

Here, health care is a for profit business. It will have to change.

About your ID question. I help women with these things a lot. The Salvation Army can sort that all out, free. They've helped many with that seeming quandary.

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RE: Attacks on Americans - 5/13/2014 8:55:08 PM   
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About your ID question. I help women with these things a lot. The Salvation Army can sort that all out, free. They've helped many with that seeming quandary.

Its not a problem I personally have, although I did lose my wallet once but it was easy enough to get a new DL & bank card as I know better than to carry all my ID with me all the time, I just carry what I need.. I leave my SSN card, birth certificate, bank cards I rarely use, passport, etc at home in a safe place.. One time I found someone's wallet lying in the middle of the street.. I called the owner up (his number was in the wallet).. but this wallet was literally 2 inches thick with every card he had gotten his entire life.. It would have been a real huge headache if he had to replace all of them..

but thanks for the info, I will keep the Salvation Army in mind if I run into anyone who needs help with that tho.. which in this city is possible due to there being so many homeless here.. 8th highest in the US..

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