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This is a silly post based on fear of police rather than actual thought on the subject....
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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess
The average IQ of police is not particularly high (intentionally so, see the article). http://reason.com/blog/2013/05/01/court-oks-barring-smart-people-from-beco
Yes, and if you actually read the reason WHY the police didn't hire him. They felt he would become bored with things and move on. Not a really good use of instructor's times and resources spent training the person. That police station is not the norm. The police officers around where I live are generally normal to above average intelligence.
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And they are trained and armed with a gun.
Yes, that sort of goes with the job description....
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We have (or had) rights in the Constitution to protect ordinary people from the police because it was understood, even back in the day, how much power the police/government has and that there needed to be some restrictions on them in order to protect individuals from police and prosecutorial abuse. I say had because since 9/11 it seems most of these rights have been effectively gutted. They are in the Constitution in name only.
Actually the 'police' are explained in the US Constitution as 'Militia'. You would find that under the 2nd amendment. Back when the document was created and pass, there existed no formal, local police departments. The militia was thought on as the concept to serve the people in handling domestic and foreign threats. But the founding fathers did not want a mindless band of raiders or bandits becoming 'mini-tyrants' in localized and isolated areas. So that's why the amendment as 'A well regulated militia...' in its opening. It establishes what sort of militia can operate. One that has rules, regulations, command structure and a system for penalizes for those that get out of line. Some states had harsher penalties then others. For nearly a hundred years, the militia handled local policing of its individual areas until actual police groups were formed. In my opinion, the 2nd amendment as it relates to militias got fucked with in Heller vs. District of Columbia. In that case, the conservative justices in the US Supreme Court did an 'end run around' the 2nd in favor of the NRA and the gun industry. Last I checked that is something the US Supreme Court (nor any other lower court) is NOT allowed to do. The Heller case is its own discussion (and has been in several discussions on firearm-related events in the past).
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To be honest, more people (regardless of their background) should be fearful of cops.
So what your saying is, most Americans should fear their fellow Americans, whom pay taxes, raise families, contribute to their communities in an honest fashion, and for the most part, good role models for young children? Sounds like we should fear people like you....
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But then there are other issues.
Every job has its 'issues'.
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Let's take the country's history and add to it the fact that being black or Hispanic affects the perception that any cop (whatever their race is) has of someone.
So if a police officer notices a black man shooting a white man, he should not take action because...he can discriminate based on skin color? That's a bit silly. Further, that the reason many minority groups are in the country's prison is due to circumstances rather than skin color. An yet, skin color is one circumstance those individuals arrive at their issues with the law. The poor hold a fair share of minority groups. Low education, low future outlooks, bad neighborhoods, fatherless/motherless or both parents missing/dead, all contribute (along with plenty of other factors) to why people commit crimes against the law. But declaring the reason why cops arrest someone because their black and NOT due to the reason they were arrested is a silly notion.
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Let's be honest it is probably much less likely for someone white or Asian to be harassed by the police as compared to those of African or Hispanic background. And that has to affect how certain groups of people interact with police. If someone has good reason to be more fearful of the police to begin with (because they know innocent people have been harassed/arrested/charged and sometimes even convicted) I think fear is going to kick in at a very high level even when a cop stops them to ask a simple question.
So its a 'good' idea in your book to have irrational fear of the police as the reason to distrust them? Got it...
My own doctor came from the Khmer Rouge. He could tell you how the 'police' there brutally murdered his family. Asked him about police in America, and he has no problem with them. Since the police here have RULES, REGULATIONS, and people that keep a watchful eye on their actions/words. In fact, if you feel you have been harassed or attacked in some way by the local police there exist many avenues: Contact the FBI, talk to the media, contact those in the community that hold public office, etc.
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I have had minimal interactions with police - been pulled over for speeding a few times in my life (two were in the daytime, one at night who seemed very nervous), had a cop going door-to-door once to warn people about a sexual assailant, and twice have asked assistance of a cop (one was helpful, one not so much). Of these one was black, two Hispanic, the rest white. They were all polite. The only one who made me feel uncomfortable was the one night time vehicle stop where he seemed on edge - and I will be honest that made me excessively nervous. I am generally not in situations where I worry about interactions with cops. But I do feel that for those who encounter cops on a more regular basis, most of that interaction is probably not positive, or at the very least not trust-inducing.
Try understanding things from the point of the police offer on road stops. They have no idea what the intention of the individual(s) in the vehicle have in mind before he/she steps out of their cruiser. It could be routine, or resulting in a ticket of some sort. And it could be very hostile. Even with precautions' in place, police officers have a right to be uneasy when walking up to a vehicle during the day and more so, at night. How they stand, check the different rows within the car, and even how they speak to you, has all been trained to keep the officer safe from harm.
At locations, police have to keep an eye on all sorts of events that could occur around them. Whether from the people they are dealing with directly, nearby, or within eye sight.
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