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RE: Another terror attack against China. - 3/8/2014 10:45:33 PM   
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I am not off base in my thinking

Not as far as I am concerned.
Mostly the new info confirmed what we had worked out.
It does put a lot of emphasis on the lack of a distress call.


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RE: Another terror attack against China. - 3/8/2014 10:48:40 PM   
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I know you weren't vouching for him, I didn't mean to imply that if I did

Maybe I was being touchy, it is late and people on other threads have been abusive all week.
Hope it didn't sound like I was snapping at you, it was not my intent.

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RE: Another terror attack against China. - 3/8/2014 10:55:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		No call to ATC, or to the airline dispatch, apparently no discreet squawks. I'm running through all the scenarios, the aircraft was on auto pilot, at the time and place of flight that's a given. I don't buy suicide at that elevation or both capt. and sic being disoriented unless there was some type of fumes or bad wx mainly because of wx reports. So what's left? Some type of violent occurrence is the only fees able answer with the information we have now

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RE: Another terror attack against China. - 3/8/2014 10:56:14 PM   
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No call to ATC, or to the airline dispatch, apparently no discreet squawks. I'm running through all the scenarios, the aircraft was on auto pilot, at the time and place of flight that's a given. I don't buy suicide at that elevation or both capt. and sic being disoriented unless there was some type of fumes or bad wx mainly because of wx reports. So what's left? Some type of violent occurrence is the only fees able answer with the information we have now

100% agreement

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RE: Another terror attack against China. - 3/8/2014 10:56:20 PM   
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RE: Another terror attack against China. - 3/8/2014 10:58:42 PM   
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No worries, I have thick skin.

Agree or not we have civil discourse and I wanted to be sure it stays that way.

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RE: Another terror attack against China. - 3/8/2014 11:01:40 PM   
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RE: Another terror attack against China. - 3/8/2014 11:02:50 PM   
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Damn I knew that piece of paper from Embry Riddle saying that I was edumacated and playing with aircraft all these years would pay off someday!

Talking to yourself I see.

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RE: Another terror attack against China. - 3/8/2014 11:03:25 PM   
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RE: Another terror attack against China. - 3/8/2014 11:05:56 PM   
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Yes, you and I have somehow managed to agree to disagree on some topics civilly. Once again, I do respect you for that

Thank you getting late, I know it is later there but you are much younger than me. Catch you later.

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RE: Another terror attack against China. - 3/8/2014 11:06:38 PM   
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RE: Another terror attack against China. - 3/8/2014 11:07:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		"At this early stage, we're focusing on the facts that we don't know," said Todd Curtis, a former safety engineer with Boeing who worked on its 777 jumbo jets and is now director of the Airsafe.com Foundation.

This comment strikes me as the most astute that I have seen on this terrible tragedy.

As things stand at the moment, we simply have no information on which to form judgements about what may or may not have happened to this plane. Any claims that 'explain' or attribute cause or reason to any agent, whether negligent or malicious, are pure speculation.

The prudent course is to with hold comment and especially judgement until all the facts that can be known are known. Talk of terrorism is particularly unhelpful - it can only raise the hysteria level while offering nothing positive. So please, let's remain within the realm of facts and perhaps focus our thoughts and sympathies to the loved ones and families of those who appear to have perished.

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RE: Another terror attack against China. - 3/8/2014 11:07:54 PM   
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RE: Another terror attack against China. - 3/8/2014 11:24:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		One of two things happened which is where the investigation will go, either mechanical or terrorism. Two people with stolen passports boarded that aircraft according to the manifest which abruptly disappeared from radar and is down. I'm pretty sure they're not your upstanding type of person. As I said in an earlier post, I'm not saying it was an act of terrorism but what are the odds that it wasn't? My main issue is that it could have all been avoided by simply checking the international data base.

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RE: Another terror attack against China. - 3/9/2014 12:23:10 AM   
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One of two things happened which is where the investigation will go, either mechanical or terrorism. Two people with stolen passports boarded that aircraft according to the manifest which abruptly disappeared from radar and is down. I'm pretty sure they're not your upstanding type of person. As I said in an earlier post, I'm not saying it was an act of terrorism but what are the odds that it wasn't? My main issue is that it could have all been avoided by simply checking the international data base.

These two alternatives (either mechanical or terrorism) might be the most obvious candidates but there are others. A misfunction or rogue/negligent/mistaken firing of a country's defence systems, or by one of the many naval ships operating in that region is one that springs to mind. No doubt there are many more.

While I appreciate your expertise in the area of aviation, I am unable to see what gain may be made by speculating about the various possible causes of the tragedy at this point in time. My feeling is that (for example) discussing the potential risks posed to the travelling public by the pressures on airline's mx systems would be of more immediate value to most people posting here. There will be plenty of time for a more informed discussion of the cause(s) of this tragedy once those causes are identified and publicly known.

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RE: Another terror attack against China. - 3/9/2014 5:50:52 AM   
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Im sorry Bama but your sentance
From CNN.com without comment so I don't bias the reading.
Why is the headline
"Another terror attack against China"???



We have a winner.

Latest news on the BBC is that radar tracking shows the plane may have tried to turn back.

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RE: Another terror attack against China. - 3/9/2014 6:12:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		The latest reports are now saying there were possibly a few more who boarded with false documentation and military radar is suggesting that the aircraft turned from its course, all without any contact with ATC.

The reason I discussed it with Bama is because terrorism is a part of life, if Bama wanted to discuss the dangers of flying, based on an aircrafts maintenance system then that's what his post would have centered around.

I don't know how many times I have to repeat myself in saying that whatever security check they ran failed, allowing we don't know who to get in that aircraft with two stolen passports.

I have respect for Mr Curtis and the products that Boeing his former company produces, however, Mr. Curtis is not a accident/incident investigator, he is PR.

Perhaps I come from a different mindset than you, but I will comment on your "rogue" or oops we forgot to tell anyone that we were deploying missiles and if by some "accident" a SAM hit that aircraft at 35,000 ft, and a government or their military maintains silence, it should be looked on as an act of aggression.





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RE: Another terror attack against China. - 3/9/2014 6:38:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		I can't find anything that talks of evidence for that, PS. It seems like just another theory, so far.

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RE: Another terror attack against China. - 3/9/2014 9:05:47 AM   
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Ha, yeah I was talking to myself out loud! I do that at times when I remember nay sayers telling me that I was a "girl" and didn't belong in aviation

Sometimes it is the only way to get an intelligent conversation.

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RE: Another terror attack against China. - 3/9/2014 11:50:19 AM   
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I can't find anything that talks of evidence for that, PS. It seems like just another theory, so far.



I just reported the report....... It was on the BBC web site earlier but doesnt seem to be now.

"What we have done is actually look into the recording on the radar that we have and we realized there is a possibility the aircraft did make a turnback," Rodzali Daud, the Royal Malaysian Air Force chief, told reporters at a news conference."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/09/us-malaysiaairlines-flight-idUSBREA2701720140309

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