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chatterbox24 -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/25/2014 9:17:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM I believe this matter could be pursued intellectually. Catholic girls are kind to me. I cannot speak from experience, but what MrBukani makes some sense in that Catholics feel loved. You are morally upright because God has called you to be morally upright, because it is good to be morally upright. It can take time to make that choice. Is that good? It shows that the Church does not employ terror to achieve its ends. I believe there may also be an additional factor at work. Having to mate for life it seems likely would create pressure for romantic desirability. Agreed. Temptation is a reality of life, its always around you. Should I do this? Should I do that? Quite frankly there was a time, I did exactly what I wanted, when I wanted, how I wanted, with whom I wanted, with little regard to the future or anyone else. I did it just because I COULD. Have you ever met a Bull-etta? hahaha. I have found the reward was fleeting, and unfulfilling. Temptation fools you, and I found it bites you. The ill effects are longer lasting then the Temptation act, whatever it is that might be ones weakness.

chatterbox24 -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/25/2014 9:22:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM One of my favorite movies is IQ http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0110099/. I recommend that you see it. Is Algae a color? It is a line from the film. The sweetness of the film is good for my heart. quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 Is not protestant all branching off of the Catholic church? There is something called Apostolic succession which is important that I shall ignore for the sake of brevity. Christian and Catholic were once synonymous. The Lutherans are Protestant in that there is a clear genealogy. With some Christian denominations it is generous to call them Protestant because there is no clear genealogy. By Protestant I mean Christian, but not Catholic. Catholicism is orthodox Christianity. Legal processes are orthodox in some respects. There is an opinion that matters and opinions that do not matter. If you are elected to congress, your opinion matters. If you are a judge, your opinion matters. In orthodoxy opinion is excluded to the greatest extent possible so that right and wrong is objective to the extent practicable. My work will permit the Church to go beyond what it has been able to achieve historically as this is concerned. It will solve a number of long standing problems, gaps in our understanding, which encourage people to stray and fall into apostasy. In Catholicism morality is regarded as having an objective reality. Thus, you cannot reform the Church by stating an opinion. Opinion carries with it no weight which may be shocking to those who feel they are entitled to an opinion. According to the Church right and wrong are like the laws of physics in that they are objective. You cannot alter the values of the universal constants through wishful thinking. Thank you for all this information, its enlightening. ................and WHAT!!! I cant have an opinion, I never heard the like? (I am kidding) On a serious note, I really didn't know much of the history of what you just shared.

chatterbox24 -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/25/2014 9:25:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM How could I go about screwing up people if I wanted to? I could give group A an ideological advantage over group B because I felt like it. If you do have a lot of power, I am glad you use it for the good. SO many people do not. I will Have to check out the IQ movie too.

chatterbox24 -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/25/2014 9:45:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GotSteel quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 Excuse me that I can't remember everything about you and that it was so important to you that I did. I'm not expecting you to remember everything about me but note how in this recent conversation I've given you the information that I used to be Christian and even your direct response doesn't take that into account. http://www.collarchat.com/m_4652753/mpage_5/key_skepticism/tm.htm#4655715 quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 quote: ORIGINAL: GotSteel While I expect it's comforting to tell yourself we don't understand, that's not the case. I spent the first half of my life as a Christian and others here have reported similar stories. We aren't speaking out because we understand less than you, we're speaking out because we understand more. Im right your wrong. IM always right. Didn't you know that? RIght as rain. I will never be wrong as long as I live. ITs not in my vocabulary. DId I tell you I disagree? Yes IM right, definitely, for sure. No doubt about it..........around the mulberry bush we go.[:D] I actually do understand, and IM sorry it was a bad experience. I left a few times, and then came back. NO arguments that you feel I don't understand. I will not talk gibberish. I enjoy knowledge. I am not stupid. My IQ is average. Knowledge is wonderful and I am thankful for those who are highly intelligent and intellectual and driven. My disagreement is when book or world knowledge blinds you. I basically have a renewed mind, and first and foremost what interests me is what the creator wants, not what man wants. If knowledge leads you to think more of a powerful human then the Creator, then one is blind. You can not see what I see. I have always been different anyway. My mind works a little differently. I am more satisfied, happier and content following Christianity and I feel very blessed. I cant imagine not believing, but if you are happy not believing, continue as you see fit. I have no desire to knowledge myself out of Christianity.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/25/2014 10:02:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 ...My disagreement is when book or world knowledge blinds you. I basically have a renewed mind, and first and foremost what interests me is what the creator wants, not what man wants. If knowledge leads you to think more of a powerful human then the Creator, then one is blind. You can not see what I see. Isn't your "book knowledge" blinding you - just as you quoted?? You are perpetually blinded by your one true book to the exclusion of just about everything else. One could equally accuse you of being blind to reality rather than the faerie stories in the book you hold soo dear. Pot, meet kettle. [:D]

chatterbox24 -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/25/2014 10:20:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 ...My disagreement is when book or world knowledge blinds you. I basically have a renewed mind, and first and foremost what interests me is what the creator wants, not what man wants. If knowledge leads you to think more of a powerful human then the Creator, then one is blind. You can not see what I see. Isn't your "book knowledge" blinding you - just as you quoted?? You are perpetually blinded by your one true book to the exclusion of just about everything else. One could equally accuse you of being blind to reality rather than the faerie stories in the book you hold soo dear. Pot, meet kettle. [:D] IF this is blind, give me a cane. Now dance away Devil before I use it.[sm=rofl.gif][sm=rofl.gif][sm=seesaw.gif]

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/25/2014 10:22:59 AM)
None so blind as those that won't see [:D] Begone with your false god!!

chatterbox24 -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/25/2014 10:47:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 None so blind as those that won't see [:D] Begone with your false god!! I suppose a human scientist made the earth, and the stars, and the animals, and the foliage, and the people and the on and on and on and on and on.......... What came first the scientist or the book? hmmmmmmmmmmm. Kinda sounds like the chicken or the egg. And why did the chicken cross the street? was it to get to the other side or because it was really stupid? Life is mysterious. If you don't believe in God, its your lose not mine. But why do you feel such a need to not believe? ITs hard to grasp if you don't have it. In fact, if you don't have it, it is beyond you. SO why you are thinking how much smarter you are then the dumb dumb Christians, we are doing this [8\|] [:D] Have a nice day.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/25/2014 11:03:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 None so blind as those that won't see [:D] Begone with your false god!! I suppose a human scientist made the earth, and the stars, and the animals, and the foliage, and the people and the on and on and on and on and on.......... What came first the scientist or the book? hmmmmmmmmmmm. Kinda sounds like the chicken or the egg. And why did the chicken cross the street? was it to get to the other side or because it was really stupid? Life is mysterious. If you don't believe in God, its your lose not mine. But why do you feel such a need to not believe? ITs hard to grasp if you don't have it. In fact, if you don't have it, it is beyond you. SO why you are thinking how much smarter you are then the dumb dumb Christians, we are doing this [8\|] [:D] Have a nice day. Obviously sooo blinded by your book that you haven't heard of The Big Bang Theory and the latest bit of science and discovery that goes with it??? And to answer your question, science came about eons before your religion was invented and your book came about even later. The world came about long before your god and that is scientifically provable. That, in itself, proves your god and the fables are utterly false. And no, it is not beyond me. I happen to believe that the world existed long before your heathens and false god were invented by feeble minded sheeple. If your god is real.... then prove it beyond all doubt - without referring to your book of fables. Once you have done that, claim the nobel peace prize because nobody, since it's invention, has even been able to prove it to exist except in sheeple's feeble minds.[8\|] And that is why I am superior. [:)]

chatterbox24 -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/25/2014 11:23:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 None so blind as those that won't see [:D] Begone with your false god!! I suppose a human scientist made the earth, and the stars, and the animals, and the foliage, and the people and the on and on and on and on and on.......... What came first the scientist or the book? hmmmmmmmmmmm. Kinda sounds like the chicken or the egg. And why did the chicken cross the street? was it to get to the other side or because it was really stupid? Life is mysterious. If you don't believe in God, its your lose not mine. But why do you feel such a need to not believe? ITs hard to grasp if you don't have it. In fact, if you don't have it, it is beyond you. SO why you are thinking how much smarter you are then the dumb dumb Christians, we are doing this [8\|] [:D] Have a nice day. Obviously sooo blinded by your book that you haven't heard of The Big Bang Theory and the latest bit of science and discovery that goes with it??? And to answer your question, science came about eons before your religion was invented and your book came about even later. The world came about long before your god and that is scientifically provable. That, in itself, proves your god and the fables are utterly false. And no, it is not beyond me. I happen to believe that the world existed long before your heathens and false god were invented by feeble minded sheeple. If your god is real.... then prove it beyond all doubt - without referring to your book of fables. Once you have done that, claim the nobel peace prize because nobody, since it's invention, has even been able to prove it to exist except in sheeple's feeble minds.[8\|] And that is why I am superior. [:)] Blah, I heard all about BANG BANG now we have a theory. How can you scientifically prove the Earth was here before God? and how about the universe? Was that there too before God? Ok ok I admit it, the time has come for me to announce that you are superior, the ultimate, for a baboon that is.[sm=lol.gif]

BenevolentM -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/25/2014 11:28:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM Because my work is a work of man I have dominion. Likewise, if my work was a work of God, God would have dominion. Dominion means ownership. Ownership is a right of nobility. If God spoon fed us, we would own nothing.

chatterbox24 -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/25/2014 11:36:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM Because my work is a work of man I have dominion. Likewise, if my work was a work of God, God would have dominion. Dominion means ownership. Ownership is a right of nobility. If God spoon fed us, we would own nothing. BINGO.......WOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOO I am old school. I believe in a pyramidal thought process. 3 points. GOD-MAN-Wo-MAN. That order. Simple. I understand everything you say. Now when people get speared in the head with destiny, it isn't my fault.[sm=rofl.gif]Im kidding a little, well kinda, or maybe not. Okay time to hone in my crazy, but its soooooo much fun.[:)]

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/25/2014 11:40:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 Blah, I heard all about BANG BANG now we have a theory. Yep. A theory that has since been proven. Can you prove your god even exists?? Nope. You can't! He is more theory and procrastination than Big Bang. quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 How can you scientifically prove the Earth was here before God? I can't personally; but there are many scientists out there that can. quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 and how about the universe? Was that there too before God? Yep. Same as above. And you cannot prove your god even exists let alone existed before the universe!! quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 Ok ok I admit it, the time has come for me to announce that you are superior, the ultimate, for a baboon that is.[sm=lol.gif] And from your very naive and blinkered PoV, any baboon would prove themselves to be superior. When you can provide indisputable evidence that you are right, I'll listen. Until then, it's all waffle and tripe.

chatterbox24 -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/25/2014 11:56:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 Blah, I heard all about BANG BANG now we have a theory. Yep. A theory that has since been proven. Can you prove your god even exists?? Nope. You can't! He is more theory and procrastination than Big Bang. quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 How can you scientifically prove the Earth was here before God? I can't personally; but there are many scientists out there that can. quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 and how about the universe? Was that there too before God? Yep. Same as above. And you cannot prove your god even exists let alone existed before the universe!! quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 Ok ok I admit it, the time has come for me to announce that you are superior, the ultimate, for a baboon that is.[sm=lol.gif] And from your very naive and blinkered PoV, any baboon would prove themselves to be superior. When you can provide indisputable evidence that you are right, I'll listen. Until then, it's all waffle and tripe. Dear Atheist Friend, what will we ever do with you?[:D] Ye of little Faith. One does not tempt God to prove himself, but don't you worry he will one day in his own time. I wonder what you will say? Ok I have stuff to do, so you think about that at least a little. Don't be a legend in your own mind.[:D] later.

BenevolentM -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/25/2014 11:59:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 ...My disagreement is when book or world knowledge blinds you. I basically have a renewed mind, and first and foremost what interests me is what the creator wants, not what man wants. If knowledge leads you to think more of a powerful human then the Creator, then one is blind. You can not see what I see. Isn't your "book knowledge" blinding you - just as you quoted?? You are perpetually blinded by your one true book to the exclusion of just about everything else. One could equally accuse you of being blind to reality rather than the faerie stories in the book you hold soo dear. Pot, meet kettle. [:D] IF this is blind, give me a cane. Now dance away Devil before I use it.[sm=rofl.gif][sm=rofl.gif][sm=seesaw.gif] The Devil as I pointed out speaks in half truths. Catholic theologians accept material from a variety of sources. The Bible is one of many sources that a Catholic theologian will often cite from. Why are Catholics willing to cite works of man? Because man was noble born. The obsessive interest that Protestants have in citing the Bible is ungodly because it denies our nobility which is what Jesus was unwilling to do. In this way the Protestants deny Christ.

Kirata -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/25/2014 12:02:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 The world came about long before your god and that is scientifically provable. I wasn't aware that science had even looked into when God came into existence, let alone proven it. How fascinating. Do we have a date then? K.

BenevolentM -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/25/2014 12:06:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 IF this is blind, give me a cane. Now dance away Devil before I use it.[sm=rofl.gif][sm=rofl.gif][sm=seesaw.gif] I am uncertain that the IF, even when capitalized, is a sufficient disclaimer/guard. I fear that the devil managed to get you to admit that you are blind.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/25/2014 12:08:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 Dear Atheist Friend, what will we ever do with you?[:D] Ye of little Faith. One does not tempt God to prove himself, but don't you worry he will one day in his own time. I wonder what you will say? Ok I have stuff to do, so you think about that at least a little. Don't be a legend in your own mind.[:D] later. Firstly, I'm NOT an Atheist. I have plenty of faith... but not in a false god. I'm not asking god to prove himself, I'm asking you to provide proof that he even exists. I thought about it. I spent nearly 20 years of my life trying to find it. It just doesn't exist and mankind has never found it. So now I have a much better, more logical belief that I can feel, touch, smell, see, hear and experience first hand and also share with others that can also do the same for themselves. An no, it doesn't involve some mystical ethereal nonsense and it's not in my head. And I see you have teamed up with someone else who is just as delusional. He speaks with himself most of the time. That's a definite sign of unhinged insanity. We have words for people who are delusional and we usually put them in special places to stop infecting and harming others. How did you get out?? [:D]

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/25/2014 12:12:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 The world came about long before your god and that is scientifically provable. I wasn't aware that science had even looked into when God came into existence, let alone proven it. How fascinating. Do we have a date then? K. Science has pretty much proven when the world as we know it, came into existence. God on the other hand, the one they are speaking of, didn't even exist until that particular religion was invented. So unless you are saying the earth is less than 2,000 years old, my statement holds true.

Kirata -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/25/2014 12:21:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 God on the other hand, the one they are speaking of, didn't even exist until that particular religion was invented. People who think they can wrap themselves in the mantle of science and run around making claims about the existence of God have a future in the circus. K.

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