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freedomdwarf1 -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/25/2014 12:26:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

God on the other hand, the one they are speaking of, didn't even exist until that particular religion was invented.

People who think they can wrap themselves in the mantle of science and run around making claims about the existence of a God have a future in the circus.

K.




That was exactly my point! [:D]

I claim that their 'god' doesn't exist.
Moreover, mankind has been seeking and trying to find said elusive character ever since 'he' was referenced within the fables.

And a circus just doesn't appear out of nowhere, someone has to have the idea and put it all together.
Ergo, said god is none other than a man-made construct.
To take that extrapolation even further, if god is a man made construct, man must have come before god.




chatterbox24 -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/25/2014 1:04:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM

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ORIGINAL: chatterbox24

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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...My disagreement is when book or world knowledge blinds you. I basically have a renewed mind, and first and foremost what interests me is what the creator wants, not what man wants. If knowledge leads you to think more of a powerful human then the Creator, then one is blind. You can not see what I see.

Isn't your "book knowledge" blinding you - just as you quoted??
You are perpetually blinded by your one true book to the exclusion of just about everything else.
One could equally accuse you of being blind to reality rather than the faerie stories in the book you hold soo dear.

Pot, meet kettle. [:D]


IF this is blind, give me a cane. Now dance away Devil before I use it.[sm=rofl.gif][sm=rofl.gif][sm=seesaw.gif]


The Devil as I pointed out speaks in half truths.

Catholic theologians accept material from a variety of sources. The Bible is one of many sources that a Catholic theologian will often cite from. Why are Catholics willing to cite works of man? Because man was noble born. The obsessive interest that Protestants have in citing the Bible is ungodly because it denies our nobility which is what Jesus was unwilling to do. In this way the Protestants deny Christ.

Could you elaborate on how I deny Christ? This is unclear to me as you see it.




chatterbox24 -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/25/2014 1:13:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM

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IF this is blind, give me a cane. Now dance away Devil before I use it.[sm=rofl.gif][sm=rofl.gif][sm=seesaw.gif]


I am uncertain that the IF, even when capitalized, is a sufficient disclaimer/guard. I fear that the devil managed to get you to admit that you are blind.

the devil can believe whatever he likes he has no power when he is rebuked. My eyes are open.




BenevolentM -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/25/2014 1:18:49 PM)

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Could you elaborate on how I deny Christ? This is unclear to me as you see it.


The denial can be inadvertent.




chatterbox24 -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/25/2014 1:23:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1


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Dear Atheist Friend, what will we ever do with you?[:D]  Ye of little Faith. One does not tempt God to prove himself, but don't you worry he will one day in his own time. I wonder what you will say?

Ok I have stuff to do, so you think about that at least a little. Don't be a legend in your own mind.[:D] later.

Firstly, I'm NOT an Atheist.
I have plenty of faith... but not in a false god.

I'm not asking god to prove himself, I'm asking you to provide proof that he even exists.

I thought about it.
I spent nearly 20 years of my life trying to find it.
It just doesn't exist and mankind has never found it.

So now I have a much better, more logical belief that I can feel, touch, smell, see, hear and experience first hand and also share with others that can also do the same for themselves.
An no, it doesn't involve some mystical ethereal nonsense and it's not in my head.


And I see you have teamed up with someone else who is just as delusional.
He speaks with himself most of the time.
That's a definite sign of unhinged insanity.
We have words for people who are delusional and we usually put them in special places to stop infecting and harming others.
How did you get out?? [:D]


hahaha.
have you ever thought he speaks to himself because there are few live forms who can relate on here or care to relate?
So take your sorry self on another negative mission.
maybe pee on a grave or something to make yourself happy. Hmmm?




Kirata -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/25/2014 1:36:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

I have plenty of faith... but not in a false god.

How nice for you. That puts you right on track with the worst of the religious bigots.

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

I'm asking you to provide proof that he even exists.

The matter of proof is irrelevant because it is impossible.

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

I thought about it.
I spent nearly 20 years of my life trying to find it.
It just doesn't exist and mankind has never found it.

There's a winner. You couldn't find whatever it is, so it doesn't exist. Sorry, no cigar.

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We have words for people who are delusional and we usually put them in special places to stop infecting and harming others.

All things considered, I think a case could be made that you'd be among them.

K.




Tkman117 -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/25/2014 1:39:10 PM)

wow, someone is a little butt hurt someone else has an opinion [8|]




Kirata -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/25/2014 1:40:47 PM)


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wow, someone is a little butt hurt someone else has an opinion [8|]

Apparently so. Can I offer you a cushion?

K.








Tkman117 -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/25/2014 1:45:42 PM)

Sure, I can get comfy while I listen to you complain a bit more [:D]




BenevolentM -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/25/2014 1:46:04 PM)

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the devil can believe whatever he likes he has no power when he is rebuked.


Given what you have written it seems likely you have placed an emphasis on rebuking the devil because you felt your life seriously needed to be turned around.

I have a story to share. On a College Chemistry exam I did well, but I got stuck on this one problem I could not solve. My professor didn't understand why I had such a difficult time because to him it was the easiest problem on the exam. I acquired a solid grasp of a few things that enabled me to solve all the problems, but one. I was so confident in my methodology that I lost sight of the obvious. I spun my wheels trying to fit a square peg into a round hole to no avail.




freedomdwarf1 -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/25/2014 1:52:48 PM)

Interesting responses.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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I have plenty of faith... but not in a false god.

How nice for you. That puts you right on track with the worst of the religious bigots.

I don't have a god but I'm not an Atheist.
My belief system revolves around the very earth that we stand and live on.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

I'm not asking god to prove himself, I'm asking you to provide proof that he even exists.

The matter of proof is irrelevant because it is impossible

Exactly my point.
I can prove my belief roots.
Can any faith born of the last few millennia?
So no, it's not irrelevant.
Impossible for them, yes. But not irrelevant.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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I thought about it.
I spent nearly 20 years of my life trying to find it.
It just doesn't exist and mankind has never found it.

There's a winner. If you can't find whatever it is, then nobody can. Heh. Cute, but no cigar.

Not just me.... everyone out there that has tried and failed miserably.
And that includes everyone in that faith, otherwise that faith is just blind.
Which was exactly my original point.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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We have words for people who are delusional and we usually put them in special places to stop infecting and harming others.

All things considered, I think a case could be made that you'd be among them.

And on what grounds would that be??
I can prove my belief system.
They can't. And what's more they are completely blinded by it.




chatterbox24 -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/25/2014 1:53:34 PM)

[:D][:D][:D]
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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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wow, someone is a little butt hurt someone else has an opinion [8|]

Apparently so. Can I offer you a cushion?

K.










BenevolentM -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/25/2014 1:56:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM

I was so confident in my methodology that I lost sight of the obvious.


When rebuking the devil, try not to rebuke Christ.




Kirata -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/25/2014 1:59:30 PM)


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Sure, I can get comfy while I listen to you complain a bit more [:D]

Well I certainly do want you to be comfy. I mean, why exert yourself to contend against a view when it's easier to go with passing off characterizations of its author. You snuggle up and be comfy, no matter what anyone says about it.

K.




freedomdwarf1 -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/25/2014 2:01:39 PM)

Interesting sig line...
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I am like a box of chocolates, you never know what variety you are going to get on any given day.

You must have some very strange chocolates.
Whenever I buy them, I get exactly the same ones every time until they change the contents.

Ok, I correct myself... you are like a box of chocolates - very predictable in what you get [:D][:D]




Kirata -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/25/2014 2:02:22 PM)


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

I can prove my belief system.
They can't. And what's more they are completely blinded by it.

Well you sure have all the bases covered for a Sunday morning television contract.

K.





chatterbox24 -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/25/2014 2:03:31 PM)

Yes Sir I can work on that, thank you. I get it.
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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM

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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM

I was so confident in my methodology that I lost sight of the obvious.


When rebuking the devil, try not to rebuke Christ.





BenevolentM -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/25/2014 2:12:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

I can prove my belief system.


Mathematicians do that all the time so what is your point?




chatterbox24 -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/25/2014 2:14:00 PM)

Oh whatever lol. Yadda yadda. I am blushing[8|]
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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

Interesting sig line...
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ORIGINAL: chatterbox24
I am like a box of chocolates, you never know what variety you are going to get on any given day.

You must have some very strange chocolates.
Whenever I buy them, I get exactly the same ones every time until they change the contents.

Ok, I correct myself... you are like a box of chocolates - very predictable in what you get [:D][:D]





Tkman117 -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/25/2014 2:14:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: Tkman117

Sure, I can get comfy while I listen to you complain a bit more [:D]

Well I certainly do want you to be comfy. I mean, why exert yourself to contend against a view when it's easier to go with passing off characterizations of its author. You snuggle up and be comfy, no matter what anyone says about it.

K.



I just prefer not to fight anyone on their beliefs, unless of course it discriminates or personally impacts the lives of others, like with the whole creationism in schools shindig. Otherwise why should I argue against someone's belief? It doesn't help them and it doesn't help me, and neither of us would be changed by the end of the debate. Although I can understand why a con would want to argue such things, they have a reputation for not respecting the opinions and views of others [8|]

Live and let live, if they want to believe what they believe then let them, you have no more of a right to take that away from them as they do taking your beliefs from you. Besides, there are more pressing issues to worry about in this world than whether some redneck believes his sky god can be proven to exist or not.

P.S. Not saying you're a redneck warf, was just a phrase I used for emphasis [:D]




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