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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/11/2014 5:48:35 AM

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This is something of Great Mystery.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2014/04/10/new-tests-show-evidence-forgery-gospel-jesus-wife/IusII8b4eI86HgDTKipLhN/story.html

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/11/2014 6:11:46 AM

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Do you know Who I have to thank for this Miracle?
This Leading, this Path?
Who's candle will burn forever?

The Heavenly Physician, otherwise known, as the Man who explained the Hall of Mirrors.

Galatians 4 vs 4

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/11/2014 6:17:53 AM

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It is as broad as it is wide.
As tall as it is below.
4 corners that go on infinitely.

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So, you think that you have to have a license to be god? or pay a god tax, or what similarity is there?

Here lies a toppled god.
His fall was not a small one.
For he had built his pedestal,
A narrow and a tall one

-- Frank Herbert.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/11/2014 6:28:57 AM

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April 15th You shall have Your Due.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/11/2014 7:12:54 AM

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I felt that the room could do with some perfume.

Then stop stinking it up with the bullshit you're spouting, then.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/11/2014 7:18:31 AM

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NO.....................YOU LISTEN.

My Peace Lilies are in Bloom, I would like to offer you One?

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I felt that the room could do with some perfume.

Then stop stinking it up with the bullshit you're spouting, then.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/11/2014 7:25:17 AM

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I make my own peace.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/11/2014 8:15:11 AM

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When I made my very silly comments several pages back, about ladies and gents, hold on you have entered the containment vessel, it was a bit of a joke.

Well kinda.

God is the Vine and can branch anywhere He sees fit. He can not be contained and can be everywhere at One time. A very hard concept to believe I know. But I speak Truth. Pure.

Jack and the Beanstalk, an excellent reading for children. The root is deep and old, it goes as far as IT wants, and the Vine cam climb to any height, and not just here on Earth either. A Vine can also choose any direction It wants. 4 corners, or any position that is encompassed in those 4 corners.

For those who need proof, we do not have the human interpretation to express it to you. It lies with you to find it and ask for it. I have been advised to give this to you. Also another helpful gain for those brilliant minds, who reject the Christ Story is this:

[Socrates:]"Since the beautiful is opposite of the ugly, they are two."

[Glaucon:]"Of course."
"And since they are two, each is one?"
"I grant that also."
"And the same account is true of the just and unjust, the good and the bad, and all the forms. Each of them is itself one, but because they manifest themselves everywhere in association with actions, bodies, and one another, each of them appears to be many."
"That's right."
"So, I draw this distinction: On one side are those you just now called lovers of sights, lovers of crafts, and practical people; on the other side are those we are now arguing about and whom one would alone call philosophers."
"How do you mean?"
"The lovers of sights and sounds like beautiful sounds, colors, shapes, and everything fashioned out of them, but their thought is unable to see and embrace the nature of the beautiful itself."
"That's for sure."
"In fact, there are very few people who would be able to reach the beautiful itself and see it by itself. Isn't that so?"
"Certainly."
"What about someone who believes in beautiful things, but doesn't believe in the beautiful itself and isn't able to follow anyone who could lead him to the knowledge of it? Don't you think he is living in a dream rather than a wakened state? Isn't this dreaming: whether asleep or awake, to think that a likeness is not a likeness but rather the thing itself that it is like?"
"I certainly think that someone who does that is dreaming."
"But someone who, to take the opposite case, believes in the beautiful itself, can see both it and the things that participate in it and doesn't believe that the participants are it or that it itself is the participants--is he living in a dream or is he awake?
"He's very much awake."

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/11/2014 8:22:47 AM

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BTW.

Anyone is welcome to this thread, even Satan himself. he holds no power here.

Express yourself, to Express Yourself.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/11/2014 9:08:11 AM

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Second, the superiority of secular morality. If I can nudge you in the direction of thinking about what's best for humans, maybe you'll stop oppressing homosexuals which would be great for the collarchat community.

If I told you I love homosexuals, would you believe me? Would you believe me if I said even I love the ones who spit on me?

We've all heard the hate the sin love the sinner bit before, that's not the issue. The issue is that you're denying roughly ten percent of the population the same quality of life you expect.

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As a good parent does, although they love their children, decisions are made that may anger them, or cause them grief inside, and we continue to do it, because we know as good parents it is in their best interest.

You have no business and no right to force your beliefs on homosexuals, what you are doing is morally reprehensible. Anyway you want to spin that analogy it's still the case that YOU ARE NOT THE PARENT.

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People are allowed to live as they chose as adults, and I do not suppress it.

Except that you do.

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But when it comes to making decisions, that have been directed by the Power of Awareness, also called Enlightment, then I will make a stance.

You're just talking to yourself. It's stereotypical for christian extremists to pretend we haven't had the same experiences. I can assure you that in my case that's bull. I've been there done that. Something that I finally realized while attending a zen buddhist monastery in kyoto is that it's all you.

There are Jews being told to deny Jesus, terrorists being told to light the fuse, Islamists being told to oppress christians, buddhists being told to oppress women and you being told to oppress homosexuals.

You haven't gained access to some Truth anymore than the people who want to murder you just for being christian have. There's just a quirk of the subconscious that generates bigotry: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/buried-prejudice-the-bigot-in-your-brain/

In your case against homosexuals, if that bigotry wasn't there, this is what your love for homosexuals would look like:

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/11/2014 9:37:10 AM

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I have a ton of work to do, so off to it.

But I feel Giddy!

Here is a video for your entertainment.

Back to your regular scheduled program.................pop pop pop, sizzleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee....zing....how much star dust is in the human body....light a candle...................systems down.

http://youtu.be/eplbDbp6XJQ

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/11/2014 12:23:20 PM

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Electric. Systems up.Here a ping there a ping everywhere a ping ping.

Close Encounters of the Third Kind. Interesting movie. 1970's

Oh and there is this.

http://youtu.be/Hm1rRMmS3VU

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/11/2014 6:00:34 PM

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GotSteel in reply to chatterbox24 wrote:

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You have no business and no right to force your beliefs on homosexuals, what you are doing is morally reprehensible.

Point One

I trust what the Church has to say. There are homosexuals who agree with the Church that there is something about the homosexual lifestyle that isn't quite right.

Point Two

The arguments advanced by the homosexual community appear self-serving.

Point Three

Why do you feel that the Church has no business and no right? The Church is a moral teacher. As I pointed out earlier God is not personal property and the same is true for morals. Your belief that morals is personal property indicates what your inclination is.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/11/2014 6:16:30 PM

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Something that I finally realized while attending a zen buddhist monastery in kyoto

At least we now know who to blame.

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just a quirk of the subconscious that generates bigotry: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/buried-prejudice-the-bigot-in-your-brain/

Now this seems strange and self-serving. Darwin evolution being used to explain that chaos is the result of chaos. Doesn't this argument strike you as convenient and self-serving?

Why would anyone believe that if prejudice is the end product of evolution that it is illegitimate? Isn't evolution the result of empirical evidence accumulated by living organisms over billions of years? How many years has liberalism had to arrive at its conclusions?

I would think that if the scientific community were intellectually honest that such evidence would convince them that liberalism was a bit off the mark. The bias seems more the result of the religious having abandoned academia and the resulting vacuum than with what the evidence actually shows.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/11/2014 6:16:36 PM

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God is the Vine and can branch anywhere He sees fit. He can not be contained and can be everywhere at One time. A very hard concept to believe I know. But I speak Truth. Pure.

You blaspheme!!

Any good gardener knows that while a vine might look good on the outside, beneath the greenery it invades, stiffles other living plants, and roots destroy brickwork and masonary and is generally destructive.

Pure?? Nope. Pure crap maybe. But nothing nice or good.
Like the vine - a creeping menace that needs to be heavily contained or destroyed.

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Jack and the Beanstalk, an excellent reading for children.

Yes - and just like the holy book, it is a fictional story.
Maybe, when you grow up and realise this, you'll treat it as it is - just a story and nothing more.

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For those who need proof, we do not have the human interpretation to express it to you. It lies with you to find it and ask for it.

No, you have no proof and therefore cannot prove it to us or anyone else.
This is just a strawman.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/11/2014 6:33:23 PM

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This is a message of kindness.
You can take hold or leave the Right hand extended and let it pull back.
Peace and goodness to each other is the mission.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/11/2014 7:23:43 PM

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http://youtu.be/Hm1rRMmS3VU

The notion of a collective hallucination permitted the Soviets to reason that it could play with reality by telling the people an engineered myth. They believed much like the academia of today believe that good stems from evil.

The academic community feels that it has what it needs to explain altruism. The mathematician who made the discovered suffered a great deal because in his heart he knew that the result had to be false.

I would like to point out that I am a strong believer in proof. This should be obvious. Proof is orthodox. But as I pointed out there is a limitation. Proof can robe you of something valuable, namely the opportunity to figure it out yourself.

The documentary got boring for me. It might be more interesting if you talked about what it has to say.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/11/2014 7:32:48 PM

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chatterbox24 quoted Socrates. Can homosexuals appreciate beauty? One could say they have a strong appreciation for beauty, but from what I can gather concerning the Church's argument, it is the beauty of a corpse.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/11/2014 7:39:11 PM

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Like the vine - a creeping menace that needs to be heavily contained or destroyed.

Declared legitimate under moral relativism and put under a sky shaped dome?

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/11/2014 7:59:42 PM

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Is it accurate to say that Jesus explained the Hall of Mirrors? It is more like He indicated that their is a Hall of Mirrors and so things need not be as they seem. The Hall of Mirrors gives odd results. One of such is something that society can take for granted as true can appear false under examination, yet be true in truth.

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