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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/14/2014 7:01:15 PM

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Geeezzzzzzzzz we have a prophet among us.

You know they stone false prophets in the bible, don't ya?

What I am has no category.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/14/2014 7:07:21 PM

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I'm sure there is a category, but I am not breaking TOS to provide it.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/14/2014 7:35:11 PM

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I'm sure there is a category, but I am not breaking TOS to provide it.

Thank goodness for little things because by days end I will have many names.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/15/2014 7:30:44 AM

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Hello. Good day to you. May I ask what you would like for me to take responsibility for?
I believe good deeds do indeed give treasure, but I also believe more is required, because I believe in the trinity.

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Good Morning BenevolentM.
Is this scripture? I was just curious. Are you referring to your work or Gods work?

The short answer is, Is this Scripture? It is. I will present you with a religious argument. When you do a good deed are you not rewarded in Heaven for it? The treasure is your property. It does not belong to the person who is the recipient of your goodness. It is yours. I have the means to be a Bearer of Gifts. For it I will have much treasure in Heaven. It won't be your treasure, however. Therein lies the problem.

To Save you I must encourage you to take responsibility.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/15/2014 4:27:15 PM

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Hello. Good day to you. May I ask what you would like for me to take responsibility for?
I believe good deeds do indeed give treasure, but I also believe more is required, because I believe in the trinity.

Language has its limitations. Do I believe that works alone are sufficient? No. If it were a matter of works alone, humanity would have been condemned to Hell a long time ago. I am again alluding to Genesis. That we were noble born. Evidently, it was the problem the angels had/have. For them, it is a matter of works alone. Evidently, the Devil tries to hold us to the same standard.

When I said, I have taken responsibility, I wondered if I should have put it that way, but it felt natural to do so. It is not an either-or. It is evident that I took responsibility in hindsight, because I did it. I cracked the code, but this is no ordinary code. It is like the philosophers stone, it has unusual properties. I have also taken responsibility in another sense. What I achieved cannot be reversed by the Devil and I mean cannot be reversed, but having said that there is the Allegory of the Cave where you look back and have pity for those you will leave behind once you pass through the threshold.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/15/2014 4:47:35 PM

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It should be clear from what I wrote that emulation of the angels should not be taken to a puritanical extreme.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/15/2014 4:54:06 PM

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As I said there are two paths to Hell. If a person were inclined to emulate an angel, there are one of two choices. You can chose to emulate a fallen angel or an angel that is in good standing with the Lord. Either way, such emulation need not be Kosher.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/15/2014 4:54:42 PM

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If he is an example of who or what is going to the christian heaven, put me down for a pass to hell..............at least I only have to put up with lawyers, judges, politicians and their ilk their.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/15/2014 5:16:55 PM

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If he is an example of who or what is going to the christian heaven, put me down for a pass to hell..............at least I only have to put up with lawyers, judges, politicians and their ilk their.

Well at least all my friends will be there too.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/15/2014 5:22:14 PM

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If he is an example of who or what is going to the christian heaven, put me down for a pass to hell..............at least I only have to put up with lawyers, judges, politicians and their ilk their.

I pointed out somewhere that God is not especially interested in sins that stem from necessity. It is my understanding that Saint Augustine also observed that there is a Hall of Mirrors, there are many inversions.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/15/2014 5:53:15 PM

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The Hall of Mirrors makes making sense of it computationally infeasible.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/15/2014 5:56:39 PM

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You could say that God has access to the sort of computational power needed to make sense of it though.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/15/2014 6:09:10 PM

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Hey you with the supercomputer. Give me a hand here.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/15/2014 8:57:16 PM

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There is a term used in Catholicism in relation to Evil that is instructive. It is insalubrious. When you look up the term you get

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http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/insalubrious

not clean or healthy

But when you hear the term used there appears to be a slightly different meaning. You get incompatible, one displacing the other, cannot mix. It is not difficult to see how dominance figures into this. One is healthy for humans and the other is not.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/15/2014 10:52:43 PM

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Now some of you may have noticed that what I am presenting you with is not quantitative. It is qualitative. So we have this notion of necessity, but what is necessity? The Church resolves the problem with strategically placed taboos, then fails to explain why certain things are taboo. Why don't they explain it to us then? Because put simply, the Church is encouraging you to take responsibility. There are things you are called to figure out for yourself. It is taboo to worship angels, spoken rhetorically, why is that?

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/15/2014 11:03:36 PM

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I think I am finally come to grips as to why it is usually best (if not always "cannon") not to use the name of God in vain. It has been a difficult road trying to figure that one out.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/15/2014 11:05:59 PM

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The reason why is not entirely according to how the scribes describe it.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/16/2014 12:24:36 AM

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Why does the Church discourage people from talking about their private revelations? Unless you managed to get it really close to the mark if not dead on, chances are you are going to get a few things wrong and you are going to lead people astray. The problems are extremely difficult solve. For most people it is an exercise in submission. You reach the point where it seems plausible enough to you to conclude that the Church is right and there is no point in privately debating the matter further. The foundation, or put another way chief motivation, is Holy.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/16/2014 7:31:20 AM

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Good Sunday to you.

I have been to Churches who encourage personal testimonials. It was a motivational tool for those interested, that might be teetering as to whether they truly believe in this bizarre notion of something more. I suppose it can be discouraging to some, if their mind workings or experiences do not align with their personal way of computing. Its all very personal how the code is deciphered. And as you say BenevolentM, some may lean to a different side, so therefore, what we find as the way, may never be their way. In reference to Genesis, to align with the language you speak. I will admit it is quite difficult for me to understand at first reading some of what you say. But with pondering, I do hope I do get a general understanding of what you convey.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/16/2014 5:22:30 PM

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Good Sunday to you.

I have been to Churches who encourage personal testimonials. It was a motivational tool for those interested, that might be teetering as to whether they truly believe in this bizarre notion of something more. I suppose it can be discouraging to some, if their mind workings or experiences do not align with their personal way of computing. Its all very personal how the code is deciphered. And as you say BenevolentM, some may lean to a different side, so therefore, what we find as the way, may never be their way. In reference to Genesis, to align with the language you speak. I will admit it is quite difficult for me to understand at first reading some of what you say. But with pondering, I do hope I do get a general understanding of what you convey.

The sorts of things you discuss are the sorts of things the many churches need to be discussing with the Catholic Church. Is there a way through this? The Church will demand obedience and the process would likely take some time.

Respect is always appreciated. Some of the most respectful I have encountered are not Christians. They are Satanists. It is best not give Satan an argument that God is willing to entertain and say to the devil you have a point. I have witnessed first hand a devil making his appeal to God and seeking God's righteous judgement in hopes of winning. Thank goodness God sided in my favor.

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