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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/16/2014 6:14:38 PM

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I have affirmed that God is good and God is just. If you do not believe me, it is because you have never met the Father.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/17/2014 1:27:22 AM

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... their personal way of computing.

There is something I need to add. I was making a useful analogy. The human being as a machine analogy is dangerous only when taken to an extreme in the way atheists often do, but it is less spiritually dangerous than many realize. As I pointed out, there are two paths to Hell. This I meant literally. There are two paths to Hell. Polarization is a demonic trick. The atheists claim that man is a machine and so the religious feel compelled to take the opposite position. There is no need to take the polar opposite position.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/17/2014 5:30:21 AM

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Good Sunday to you.

I have been to Churches who encourage personal testimonials. It was a motivational tool for those interested, that might be teetering as to whether they truly believe in this bizarre notion of something more. I suppose it can be discouraging to some, if their mind workings or experiences do not align with their personal way of computing. Its all very personal how the code is deciphered. And as you say BenevolentM, some may lean to a different side, so therefore, what we find as the way, may never be their way. In reference to Genesis, to align with the language you speak. I will admit it is quite difficult for me to understand at first reading some of what you say. But with pondering, I do hope I do get a general understanding of what you convey.

The sorts of things you discuss are the sorts of things the many churches need to be discussing with the Catholic Church. Is there a way through this? The Church will demand obedience and the process would likely take some time.

Respect is always appreciated. Some of the most respectful I have encountered are not Christians. They are Satanists. It is best not give Satan an argument that God is willing to entertain and say to the devil you have a point. I have witnessed first hand a devil making his appeal to God and seeking God's righteous judgement in hopes of winning. Thank goodness God sided in my favor.

Respect certainly is a huge plus. IT can be life changing. Listening to others points of view, and caring, and considering them, is important. One just might learn something. ( I found this out the hard way)
I am not catholic, but I have had catholic friends, and worked with nuns. WHo were incredible people I adored. I highly respected their calling, even though I didn't understand some of their beliefs, it did not matter to me one bit. One would feel the peace in their presence.
I enourage people who are interested to find their own relationship first with God if they are interested. Definitely don't blindly follow someone or many if inside you think it is wrong. Be bold and courageous, and when I say that I am speaking to myself too, because fear can be crippling. As far as the devil, deny him at the onset, because he can get a true stronghold on one which is difficult to shake.
He is charming and cunning and can also pretend respect. SOme of the most dangerous people out there are mislead religious individuals, and those speeling hate. They have their place in Hell. Actually it probably burns hotter for them.
All just one individual opinion.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/17/2014 5:57:23 AM

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Satanists are interesting. Once they realize I have one virtuous trait or another, I will be praised for it, then they will summarily lose all interest in me which is perplexing. Though it is perplexing it is kind of nice, at least someone recognizes it. Though I am not appealing, they do at least show respect. It is something and it is more than what a great many people seem to be capable of.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/17/2014 6:11:27 AM

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It is good to be seen, yes? Unfortunate it is the polar opposite of what you seek. To me, it does not seem perplexing, if you are lead by the Holy spirit in sincerity of heart, the devil loses interest. He did/has/will fall because there is something much greater then him, that repels him. BUt he will attack over and over, in weakness, always trying to win. ITs his job.

..................SO get behind me SATAN..........

Very powerful words.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/17/2014 7:08:14 AM

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It is good to be seen, yes? Unfortunate it is the polar opposite of what you seek. To me, it does not seem perplexing, if you are lead by the Holy spirit in sincerity of heart, the devil loses interest. He did/has/will fall because there is something much greater then him, that repels him. BUt he will attack over and over, in weakness, always trying to win. ITs his job.

..................SO get behind me SATAN..........

Very powerful words.

The devil was expelled and was facing judgement. It was astonished I didn't believe that I could do it, but the proof was in the pudding. It said something interesting. It said in disbelief, What are you? It said, that it had never encountered an entity such as myself. It was shocking to me to be referred to as an entity.

It is evident to me that I had no ill feelings toward the devil. I had no feelings one way or the other. I was simply I care about this person and for her sake the devil had to lose. I am not interested in being unkind to the person.

My reason is not perplexed. My heart is perplexed.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/17/2014 7:40:27 AM

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The devil that was expelled did something similar to the sort of thing that I encounter with Satanists. The devil was the chieftain. It honored me for the achievement, saluted me, then paid me an insult. It was a strange experience. It suggests to me that devils were in fact once angels and can momentarily respond to you as if it were still an angel.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/17/2014 7:42:30 AM

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I believe this to be what I am observing.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/17/2014 7:47:09 AM

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I suppose it is like one of those things where you discover something was once human.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/17/2014 8:04:56 AM

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I am making a point in saying all of this. Next to the angels, even against a devil, much of humanity looks sickly. But didn't I say we shouldn't emulate the angels? What I am saying is that humanity tends to miss both marks. The standard that the angels live by as well as the standard we are supposed to live by.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/17/2014 8:37:12 AM

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You are aware we sound like we have escaped an insane asylum, correct?

I am human still.

http://www.savioroftheworld.net/satan.htm WHat do you think of that?

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/17/2014 9:43:12 AM

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Though I do not feel your intentions were bad, what you said was improper in a manner similar to why it is important not to say the name of God in vain. The Truth has unusual properties, it is like a philosopher stone.

I will comment further later.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/17/2014 10:41:18 AM

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I apologize if my comment was offensive. I think God has a sense of humor.
To the lay person, I only meant it sounds ridiculous. I am aware of that. Definitely no harm intended.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/17/2014 11:53:15 AM

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I apologize if my comment was offensive. I think God has a sense of humor.
To the lay person, I only meant it sounds ridiculous. I am aware of that. Definitely no harm intended.

I understood your intention. I also have a sense of humor and it is not a matter something being or not being offensive. For example, saying the name of God in vain is not a Sin because it is offensive to others; it isn't about what people think and it is not about whether or not God has an ego to bruise.

Anyway, for a time my best friend was a courtesan. We were just friends. She missed her mom a lot. Her mom died. When I asked her what was her favorite film. It was the King of Hearts. It was her favorite because it was her mom's favorite. It is a cult film set in World War I. The sane people were the ones in the asylum.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/17/2014 12:56:12 PM

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I used to cuss like a sailor, for a time, but now I am careful. It's about not offending God.
That is a nice story about your friend, I might look the movie up. ( don't tell anyone but I had to look up the word courtesan) ha!

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/17/2014 1:05:55 PM

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I am not catholic, but I have had catholic friends, and worked with nuns. WHo were incredible people I adored. I highly respected their calling, even though I didn't understand some of their beliefs, it did not matter to me one bit. One would feel the peace in their presence.

Ever since the Protestant Reformation what it is to be an upright Christian and in much of the Western World an upright citizen has been made unclear. The moral authority of Christianity was diminished. As you pointed out there is a mutual appreciation, but mutual appreciation and submission are different. I am advocating submission. DO IT RIGHT.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/17/2014 1:14:30 PM

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That is a nice story about your friend, I might look the movie up. ( don't tell anyone but I had to look up the word courtesan) ha!

The film makes sense because her mom was a courtesan before her. I do not recall if it is technically an adult film or not. Just beware of that.

The TV series and film Firefly had a character who was a courtesan. How should I put it? Educated, not as course.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/18/2014 1:51:22 PM

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Since there are two paths to Hell I uphold neither the liberal nor conservative paradigms. Both paradigms are worldly paradigms. Fantasy is liberal. Fully grounded in fact, verifiable, is conservative. If you reject both paradigms, what you get is something that is difficult to understand. This is where the Truth can be found.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/18/2014 2:16:14 PM

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In the Divine court will my contribution here be regarded as something given even though it may go no where? Whether or not it goes some where is your problem.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/18/2014 4:12:26 PM

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I am human still.

It is clear that God does not anticipate that I will commit any grave Sins in His eyes. God is unusually kind to me in particular. He has only explicitly reprimanded me once. That said, I am capable of sinfulness. The theories of modern man are objective. Ancient man, however, understood that a theory of everything implies that the observer will be a variable in the equation as well as that which is observed. Our capacity to Sin stems from this interconnectedness that in turns implies the need for morality and the need to be moral. This does not imply that our understanding of morality is necessarily correct, however. Nonetheless there is a need.

I was unkind to a young woman yesterday who did not deserve it. I am unable to apologize because she blocked me. I am unable to say, "I am sorry, you did not deserve it." It is good that I recognize it, but not being able to offer an apology is wrong. Preclusion of this possibility is immoral. Her wrong ironically is greater than mine which helps explain why God is unusually kind to me.

I am going to make the following suggestion. Add a button that one can press labeled, "I apologize." without a message associated with it. When the simple message is received that says so and so pressed the "I apologize." button there is an unblock button which resets everything that sends a simple return message saying, apology accepted. Will even this be a perfect solution? This is unlikely, but it may help us to show us the way. It seems reasonable that it would.

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