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Greta75 -> RE: Where IS that plane? (3/12/2014 8:38:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess Does anyone know the answer to this? In Singapore, if I switch off my phone, and anybody calls me, there is no ring tone, there is no voice mail, no operator automated voice, UNLESS you subscribe to one which I did not, as it's all extra charges. But like for my phone, it would just be dead, no tone, no nothing at all, you can't get through at all, and I believe it's the same for Malaysians on Malaysian phones. But I guess it may be china chinese who experience the ringing, so the chinese should know better what their ringing should be like if phones were switched off.

DomKen -> RE: Where IS that plane? (3/12/2014 10:24:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rockspider Four days and they have not found any wreckage tells me it is unlikely the disaster has happened over the sea. A modern aircraft has hundreds if not thousands of things on board with a specific gravity below one. That means it floats. One thing is the lifejackets, which also floats if not inflated. They are also made in the most glaring visible colors to make them easy to spot. It is unlikely that a spotter aircraft shouldn’t have found something by now, unless they are looking in the wrong places. The missing transponder signal could suggest a hijacking scenario which could put it anywhere. If it has disappeared over land, then it can be very hard to find. I remember an American military aircraft which left Clarke air Field (Philippines) for Guam back in the last days of WW2 and disappeared without trace. It took nearly 40 years before they found it by accident in a remote mountainous area on Luzon. Some areas in South East Asia with a mixture of ragged mountains and tropical rainforest can hide nearly anything. One thing I don’t understand is. In this age where we today have a global satellite based mobile telephone net (not the one our standard cellular phones operate on). Why isn’t the data stream which goes to the “black boxes” not hardwired out to one of these mobile phones, and then via the satellite back to somebody like the aircraft operator. With hardwired I mean wired in a manner where there is no accessible switchgear to the crew or hijackers. This data stream should of course be feed in to a computer where the flight plan is also stored. Deviation between the 2 should set of an alarm so appropriate action could be taken . All the above is tested and tried technology, just used in a new manner. The cost of installing and operating is loose change in the industry. The time from where a flight controller notes he is missing a blip on his screen and until the emergency services arrive at the crash site has cost countless would be survivors their life. The reason is expense. Putting a satellite system in every jetliner would cost the airlines many millions of dollars and many millions more to buy bandwidth on satellites and get the rest of the infrastructure. And as frustrating as this is this sort of occurrence happens very infrequently, the last time a jet was lost outside of clear ATC radar was an Air France flight over the Atlantic in 2009. They will find this jet's wreck in the next few days I'm sure.

AlexisANew -> RE: Where IS that plane? (3/13/2014 1:22:08 AM)
@I don't know anything about mobile service providers in Asia and how coverage works there. Does anyone know the answer to this? Three miles up over an ocean there would be no signal. A plane sateline phone may be able to make a connection but not necessarily. @One thing I don’t understand is. In this age where we today have a global satellite based mobile telephone net (not the one our standard cellular phones operate on). Why isn’t the data stream which goes to the “black boxes” not hardwired out to one of these mobile phones, and then via the satellite back to somebody like the aircraft operator. With hardwired I mean wired in a manner where there is no accessible switchgear to the crew or hijackers. This data stream should of course be feed in to a computer where the flight plan is also stored. Deviation between the 2 should set of an alarm so appropriate action could be taken . All the above is tested and tried technology, just used in a new manner. The cost of installing and operating is loose change in the industry. Transponders are often switched off in congested air space, particularly on landing because of the amount of radio clutter they have to deal with. Interesting link Jif, I just hope China messed up the resolution of these photos before releasing them. If not you have to question why one of the worlds super powers have such antiquated satellite technology.

Greta75 -> RE: Where IS that plane? (3/13/2014 5:37:20 AM)
Anyway, chinese satellite images end up to be not the plane bits! Was wrongly release or some crap like that! Oh man!!! What is going on!!! Also in another news, they found some dingy that looked like it was from the plane, the fisherman tied it firmly to their boat or something, then rescue team came to take the dingy and sink it accidentally and it's lost! WTF? What's going on!! This whole shit is sooo freaking crazy! http://www.themalaymailonline.com/malaysia/article/mmea-sinks-possible-mh370-evidence-in-recovery-bid

AlexisANew -> RE: Where IS that plane? (3/13/2014 5:48:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 Also in another news, they found some dingy that looked like it was from the plane, the fisherman tied it firmly to their boat or something, then rescue team came to take the dingy and sink it accidentally and it's lost! WTF? What's going on!! This whole shit is sooo freaking crazy! Have you got a link for that please?

Greta75 -> RE: Where IS that plane? (3/13/2014 5:49:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AlexisANew Have you got a link for that please? Updated with link above.

DaddySatyr -> RE: Where IS that plane? (3/13/2014 5:53:09 AM)
Call me a tin foil hat type but I think there was someone on that plane that the powers-that-be wanted gone. Plain and simple. There was a scroll going across on the morning news, today that there's evidence that the engines were running for four hours after they lost radar contact. This would seem to suggest that the plane was flying below radar. This would also point to a skyjacking since the pilot or other cockpit crew (ostensibly) wouldn't fly below radar on their own. I have not been able to find a link on this. I will look around. ETA: Found it!

chatterbox24 -> RE: Where IS that plane? (3/13/2014 5:55:32 AM)
Obviously they were flying over a dead zone, no phones, no signal, the atmosphere maybe didn't allow for transmitting. I am guessing but if the plane did crash, either the pilots slowly ran them to their death by force or other, the passengers had no idea. Or mass explosion, it happened so fast, it was like being struck by lightening.

Blonderfluff -> RE: Where IS that plane? (3/13/2014 6:06:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr Call me a tin foil hat type but I think there was someone on that plane that the powers-that-be wanted gone. Plain and simple. There was a scroll going across on the morning news, today that there's evidence that the engines were running for four hours after they lost radar contact. This would seem to suggest that the plane was flying below radar. This would also point to a skyjacking since the pilot or other cockpit crew (ostensibly) wouldn't fly below radar on their own. I have not been able to find a link on this. I will look around. ETA: Found it! Ok. That's just TOO weird. I'm gonna put on a foil hat, and join you... Something's just off about this.

Greta75 -> RE: Where IS that plane? (3/13/2014 6:08:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr Call me a tin foil hat type but I think there was someone on that plane that the powers-that-be wanted gone. Plain and simple. That gotta be a super stupid power because now this news is blown up so big and they will keep investigating until they find answers! I'm glad they are investigating the pilot now. I still suspect the pilots.

AlexisANew -> RE: Where IS that plane? (3/13/2014 12:57:44 PM)
Thanks for the link Greta but other news stories claim the raft was savaged and is being investigated http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2014/03/12/villagers-heard-explosion-fishermen-net-life-raft/ Also, the word 'Boarding' is written on all self inflatable life rafts. We have one on our boat with this word on it. It could take years to find out what happened and to do that they have to find the plane or the wreckage. I believe it was catastrophic failure. Everything is electrical so catastrophic failure including fire, could knock out all systems including the transponder. If that happened, the plane could fly for some time but it would be disorientating in the dark for the pilots and steering would be difficult. For those that believe we should of found a debris field by now are not understanding the vastness of these seas. It really is looking for a needle in a haystack. Open-sea search-and-rescue operations are seriously difficult.

Greta75 -> RE: Where IS that plane? (3/13/2014 4:53:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AlexisANew For those that believe we should of found a debris field by now are not understanding the vastness of these seas. It really is looking for a needle in a haystack. Open-sea search-and-rescue operations are seriously difficult. Actually, technically, with satellite imaging, they should be able to spot debris alot faster, but there is no debris. They are still hoping to find debris. Black box not working. No debris, no blackbox signals. The blackbox is suppose to be explosion proof. So many countries involve in this search now. Perfect weather! Safest possible flying conditions. Military radar picked up that the plane changed course, and their radar detected the plane for awhile until it also dropped out of their radar and when it did change course, it did not communicate any emergency. It silently dropped out of the local airports radar, and just changed course. It had enough fuel to keep flying for 4 hours. Latest news is it was sending out signals to US Satellites for another 4 hours after it dropped out of radar. It's all very fishy. I still feel like it's an inside deliberate job for some reason. I don't know what the intention is, as if it's the usual terrorists, they would brag about it, but they are being rather quiet. Don't think they crash the plane or they crash it on land after flying it for 4 more hours. Or they landed somewhere.

MasterCaneman -> RE: Where IS that plane? (3/13/2014 5:09:10 PM)
At this point, I'd be looking at the passenger/cargo manifest with a microscope. Granted, AlexisANew and others pointed out that an ocean is a hella big place to search, but the possibility the plane is on the ground, intact, may still be feasible.

kiwisub12 -> RE: Where IS that plane? (3/13/2014 5:12:46 PM)
I think it was aliens - or its the rapture - and the only people taken were the ones on that plane. The rest of us are the rejects. [&o]

jlf1961 -> RE: Where IS that plane? (3/13/2014 5:15:47 PM)
According to one news story, the US has tasked a couple of birds to due hi res imaging of the search areas. If the plane is intact, it should show up. If it is down, wreckage should be seen.

rockspider -> RE: Where IS that plane? (3/13/2014 6:10:59 PM)
Nonsense!!! When I last spoke with one of the world leaders in providing these telephones (2003), the cost was 30000 dkr to purchase and 22 dkr/minute to use on an ad hoc base (5,5 dkr = 1$US). The unit I envisage would be much cheaper to produce. The band with is there and with the amount required I am sure that the price would not exceed 1$ a minute. Chicken shit in the aviation industry. I was very involved with SAA back in the 80’ ties when they lost that 747-200 cargo of Mauritius. They knew where it went down as it was in contact with Port Louis ATC all the way to impact. Still the cost of the search and recovery of wreckage and the subsequent accident report was in excess of 120.000.000 ZAR or as a guess on exchange rates at the time would amount to 60.000.000 $US. I am aware that the system I envisage wouldn’t have made the much difference. The reference was more a reflection on cost of these search and recovery operations. The Air France disaster over the Atlantic it would have made a major difference to costs as it took them months to locate the wreck. When LOT (with the Polish president on board) lost an aircraft just a few miles from the airfield, it took 3 hours from impact to the first emergency personnel arrived on the crash site. Here the system would have put them on the scene within minutes and that would have reduced the casualties. In Strasbourg it took them 15 hours to find a plane. In Japan 36 hours to find a 747 where there also was survivors. It is this kind of accidents I am more thinking of. quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: rockspider Four days and they have not found any wreckage tells me it is unlikely the disaster has happened over the sea. A modern aircraft has hundreds if not thousands of things on board with a specific gravity below one. That means it floats. One thing is the lifejackets, which also floats if not inflated. They are also made in the most glaring visible colors to make them easy to spot. It is unlikely that a spotter aircraft shouldn’t have found something by now, unless they are looking in the wrong places. The missing transponder signal could suggest a hijacking scenario which could put it anywhere. If it has disappeared over land, then it can be very hard to find. I remember an American military aircraft which left Clarke air Field (Philippines) for Guam back in the last days of WW2 and disappeared without trace. It took nearly 40 years before they found it by accident in a remote mountainous area on Luzon. Some areas in South East Asia with a mixture of ragged mountains and tropical rainforest can hide nearly anything. One thing I don’t understand is. In this age where we today have a global satellite based mobile telephone net (not the one our standard cellular phones operate on). Why isn’t the data stream which goes to the “black boxes” not hardwired out to one of these mobile phones, and then via the satellite back to somebody like the aircraft operator. With hardwired I mean wired in a manner where there is no accessible switchgear to the crew or hijackers. This data stream should of course be feed in to a computer where the flight plan is also stored. Deviation between the 2 should set of an alarm so appropriate action could be taken . All the above is tested and tried technology, just used in a new manner. The cost of installing and operating is loose change in the industry. The time from where a flight controller notes he is missing a blip on his screen and until the emergency services arrive at the crash site has cost countless would be survivors their life. The reason is expense. Putting a satellite system in every jetliner would cost the airlines many millions of dollars and many millions more to buy bandwidth on satellites and get the rest of the infrastructure. And as frustrating as this is this sort of occurrence happens very infrequently, the last time a jet was lost outside of clear ATC radar was an Air France flight over the Atlantic in 2009. They will find this jet's wreck in the next few days I'm sure.

shiftyw -> RE: Where IS that plane? (3/13/2014 6:15:03 PM)
I say the Lost producers staged it, you know, to get their twitter buzz up.

AlexisANew -> RE: Where IS that plane? (3/14/2014 2:39:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 Actually, technically, with satellite imaging, they should be able to spot debris alot faster, but there is no debris. Yes they should but actually they can't. "It’ll be a while yet before the watershed moment when digital imagery will fully supplant the tedious, hard yards of physical searching, which has been the hallmark of SAR [search-and-rescue] activities for the past 50 years or more," he wrote on The Conversation. "While the notion of being able to examine hundreds of thousands of square kilometres of ocean, in short order, seems like it’d be just what the doctor ordered, I think the real challenges associated with the practical application of the technology might yet be just beyond our present capability." Associate Professor Dell said complex algorithms were needed to synthesise areas of interest from digital imagery and, without this, people would need to visually examine all of the images, which would take a long time. "However, the crowdsourcing of hundreds of thousands of volunteers might make a valuable contribution with the use of effective and reliable algorithms to consolidate consensus tagging of areas of interest," he wrote. "Albeit, even then, if an area of interest is identified, someone will have to fly out there and take a look. Doubtless it will still [take] significant effort and be a difficult and time-consuming process. http://www.smh.com.au/technology/sci-tech/missing-malaysia-airlines-jet-searching-from-space-may-help-201403 quote: Black box not working. No debris, no blackbox signals. The blackbox is suppose to be explosion proof. It can take many months or even years to find the black box. We know that these particular black boxes weren't fitted with satelite signal devices which are hugely expensive. This means search teams have to rely on a beacon detected by sonar but search teams have to be within a 15 mile radius to pick up that beacon. Even if they were to find a debris field, by this time that debris could be many, miles away from the actual crash site. quote: So many countries involve in this search now. Perfect weather! Safest possible flying conditions. Military radar picked up that the plane changed course, and their radar detected the plane for awhile until it also dropped out of their radar and when it did change course, it did not communicate any emergency. It silently dropped out of the local airports radar, and just changed course. It had enough fuel to keep flying for 4 hours. Latest news is it was sending out signals to US Satellites for another 4 hours after it dropped out of radar. It's all very fishy. Its not necessarily fishy at all. Read possible accounts from airline pilots. They believe its likely the plane went through whats called 'catastrophic electrical failure'. If this were to happen there would be no air to ground contact and the pilots would of had to fly the plain in the pitch black with no navigations system. Pilots faced with such a scenario will take the plane down low, if possible and try and fly it to the nearest airport. It could also be that something hit the plane and made a hole in it. If this happened at 35,000 ft all the oxygen would be sucked out and the crew and passangers would be on limited oxygen supply. Put the first scenario with the second and what we have is an air crew trying to lower and divert the plane before passing out. The plane could fly on its own until it ran out of fuel. I hope that the passangers and the crew just fell asleep and new little about what was about to happen. quote: I still feel like it's an inside deliberate job for some reason. I don't know what the intention is, as if it's the usual terrorists, they would brag about it, but they are being rather quiet. Don't think they crash the plane or they crash it on land after flying it for 4 more hours. Or they landed somewhere. That's certainly an option to consider but you must keep in mind that a huge amount of propaganda has been put out since this plane disappeared. The conspiracy theorists claim that we have all the technology to quickly find this plane when actually we don't. Since 1953 a hundred aircraft's have been lost without trace at sea and although technology has moved on a great deal in recent years, its not fool proof.

DaddySatyr -> RE: Where IS that plane? (3/14/2014 11:13:46 PM)
It's a horrible tragedy but, it's almost a done deal. I say: "almost" because the official spoke on condition of anonymity.

AlexisANew -> RE: Where IS that plane? (3/15/2014 3:40:58 AM)
If it was a hijack, its difficult to believe it was a successful one. Now that more information is being made available, it pointing towards some sort of sabotage but unless it was suicide, hijacking a plane is a means to an end unless it all went terribly wrong.

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