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Moonhead -> RE: Ukraine (3/20/2014 6:08:31 PM)
Not the same person who was insisting that (rah-rah-Ras)Putin was a model for strong leadership and statecraft that the Kenyan could never measure up to right until this crap in the Crimea kicked off? [sm=jaw.gif]

cloudboy -> RE: Ukraine (3/20/2014 6:38:29 PM)
quote: **To piss of the Putin administration, or just all Russians in general? Good point. Here are the response ideas from an insider, ALEXEY A. NAVALNY, who has intimate, detailed knowledge of the regime: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/20/opinion/how-to-punish-putin.html?ref=international&_r=0 As you insinuate, any effective "punishment" needs to be accurately directed. You, me, and the next American don't really know what to do at all. Funny how "chicken hawk" and "cafeteria-style 'libertarian'" Phydeaux wants Big Government for wars and foreign interventions but not to rebuild the USA at home or to help it's own citizens. Does he really think that culturally ill-literate, Pentagon - State Department - CIA interventions will do anyone any good? If so, can he cite any recent positive examples of this to counterbalance the disasters of waste, lost lives, and tortured victims in Afghanistan and Iraq? Asking him to get involved personally in a cause he want others to undertake is not a taunt. He's just not Laurence of Arabia or Pat Tillman, not by a long shot. Real Americans actually get involved in the causes they believe by going abroad and joining up.

Owner59 -> RE: Ukraine (3/20/2014 9:01:49 PM)
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cloudboy -> RE: Ukraine (3/21/2014 9:57:50 AM)
http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/22661-us-freezes-putins-netflix-account U.S. Freezes Putin's Netflix Account By Andy Borowitz, The New Yorker 19 March 14 In what was described as a major ramping up of sanctions, Secretary of State John Kerry announced on Tuesday that the United States had frozen Russian President Vladimir Putin's Netflix account, effective immediately. "Unless and until Mr. Putin calls off the annexation of Crimea, no more 'House of Cards' or 'Orange Is the New Black' for him," Mr. Kerry said. "The United States will not stand by and reward the annexation of another sovereign nation with a policy of streaming as usual." While all of the sanctions Mr. Kerry announced on Tuesday were Netflix-related, he warned Mr. Putin that "nothing is off the table." "I'm sure I don't need to remind the Russian President that 'Game of Thrones' is about to come back for another season," he said. "As I have said, this thing could get very ugly, very fast."

Musicmystery -> RE: Ukraine (3/21/2014 9:58:48 AM)
Great. Now that will drive him to Amazon Prime. [:D]

cloudboy -> RE: Ukraine (3/21/2014 10:00:50 AM)
This was my favorite line: "The United States will not stand by and reward the annexation of another sovereign nation with a policy of streaming as usual."

Phydeaux -> RE: Ukraine (3/21/2014 1:15:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy quote: *To piss of the Putin administration, or just all Russians in general? Good point. Here are the response ideas from an insider, ALEXEY A. NAVALNY, who has intimate, detailed knowledge of the regime: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/20/opinion/how-to-punish-putin.html?ref=international&_r=0 As you insinuate, any effective "punishment" needs to be accurately directed. You, me, and the next American don't really know what to do at all. Funny how "chicken hawk" and "cafeteria-style 'libertarian'" Phydeaux wants Big Government for wars and foreign interventions but not to rebuild the USA at home or to help it's own citizens. Does he really think that culturally ill-literate, Pentagon - State Department - CIA interventions will do anyone any good? If so, can he cite any recent positive examples of this to counterbalance the disasters of waste, lost lives, and tortured victims in Afghanistan and Iraq? Asking him to get involved personally in a cause he want others to undertake is not a taunt. He's just not Laurence of Arabia or Pat Tillman, not by a long shot. Real Americans actually get involved in the causes they believe by going abroad and joining up. Got news for you buddy. I volunteered for the military. How 'bout you? I reject the assertion of "torture". I know liberals like to assert waterboarding is torture. But then liberals like to sanitize a lot of words - "choice" for "murder", for example. But, here's the definition of torture: tor·ture [tawr-cher] Show IPA noun 1.the act of inflicting excruciating pain, as punishment or revenge, as a means of getting a confession or information, or for sheer cruelty. 2. a method of inflicting such pain. 3.Often, tortures. the pain or suffering caused or undergone. 4.extreme anguish of body or mind; agony. 5.a cause of severe pain or anguish. Do I think our soldiers are illiterate? No. Seems you do. Seems you also think John Kerry is illiterate. Now while I think he's a poodle, I concede his ability to read. Do you often support illiterate democrats for public office? By your assertion that "real americans get involved in causes by going abroad and signing up". From this I must conclude therefore that you are either not an american or you don't believe in any causes - because otherwise you'd go abroad and sign up. Now the logical fallacies of that position are actually rather mindboggling. You still fundamentally don't, indeed, understand my position. I don't want Big Government for anything.* As for interventions abroad with positive outcomes.. How many would you like? Kosovo, Sudan, Israel / Egypt (Camp David Peace accords. Israel in general. Grenada. Nicaraugua. SEATO. CENTO. NATO. Liberia. Poland, East Germany, the baltic states. The Marshall plan. The American imposed constitution in Japan. Panama. The Lousianna Purchase. The Gadsen Purchase. Seward's Folly. Not to mention the Korean War. WWII. WWI. Spanish American war..... Do you really think every intervention should be successful? Do you think that a reasonable standard?

mnottertail -> RE: Ukraine (3/21/2014 1:36:48 PM)
I volunteered and served. There was in the history of this nation a noblisse oblige regarding torture, the nutsackers in their foul and pathetic ineptitude made it quasi-legal, and out loud. Real Americans have a bit of lese magiste about that. Nutsackers don't know what words mean, so they make up meanings for them. All their truths soon turn out to be cretinous lies and myths upon a review of fact.

thursdays -> RE: Ukraine (3/21/2014 1:55:29 PM)
[There I go again!]

GoddessManko -> RE: Ukraine (3/21/2014 2:04:38 PM)
Forbes: New Sanctions No Joke: Putin Risks Regime For Ukraine Invasion (Treasury Issues A Direct Threat To Putin) :)

Phydeaux -> RE: Ukraine (3/21/2014 2:09:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail I volunteered and served. There was in the history of this nation a noblisse oblige regarding torture, the nutsackers in their foul and pathetic ineptitude made it quasi-legal, and out loud. Real Americans have a bit of lese magiste about that. Nutsackers don't know what words mean, so they make up meanings for them. All their truths soon turn out to be cretinous lies and myths upon a review of fact. I actually don't think waterboarding is generally a good idea. I just don't think its torture. However, if there is an imminent terrorist attack that could be thwarted by waterboarding.. someone's getting wet.

Musicmystery -> RE: Ukraine (3/21/2014 2:09:32 PM)
The risk for the West is turning Russia into a haven for money laundering -- especially given Russia's council positions in the UN.

mnottertail -> RE: Ukraine (3/21/2014 2:12:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phydeaux quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail I volunteered and served. There was in the history of this nation a noblisse oblige regarding torture, the nutsackers in their foul and pathetic ineptitude made it quasi-legal, and out loud. Real Americans have a bit of lese magiste about that. Nutsackers don't know what words mean, so they make up meanings for them. All their truths soon turn out to be cretinous lies and myths upon a review of fact. I actually don't think waterboarding is generally a good idea. I just don't think its torture. However, if there is an imminent terrorist attack that could be thwarted by waterboarding.. someone's getting wet. it can't and won't. I clip a vicegrip to your nuts, for instance, and you will admit to burning the Reichstag, and after about 5 minutes of that have me believing that you actually did, but that don't make it so. Torture don't get you information, it only gets you agreed with wholeheartedly.

Phydeaux -> RE: Ukraine (3/21/2014 2:15:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail quote: ORIGINAL: Phydeaux quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail I volunteered and served. There was in the history of this nation a noblisse oblige regarding torture, the nutsackers in their foul and pathetic ineptitude made it quasi-legal, and out loud. Real Americans have a bit of lese magiste about that. Nutsackers don't know what words mean, so they make up meanings for them. All their truths soon turn out to be cretinous lies and myths upon a review of fact. I actually don't think waterboarding is generally a good idea. I just don't think its torture. However, if there is an imminent terrorist attack that could be thwarted by waterboarding.. someone's getting wet. it can't and won't. I clip a vicegrip to your nuts, for instance, and you will admit to burning the Reichstag, and after about 5 minutes of that have me believing that you actually did, but that don't make it so. Torture don't get you information, it only gets you agreed with wholeheartedly. Agree. Thats why I generally don't support it. But if the choice is do nothing ant 10,000 people die or try to conduct an interrogation with a chance of saving them.. I'm for trying. I'm not saying I'd go waterboarding first, last or whatever. But it would be on the table.

seekingOwnertoo -> RE: Ukraine (3/21/2014 2:44:38 PM)
Gentleman, (and I use the term loosely! [;)] ) Force begets force. Still thinking the solution is to cut Putin's economic knee's off ... and that is best done by reducing demand for Russian Oil and Natural Gas ... If they can't sell it at today's prices, their economy looses its driving force. They have nothing else .... Strategically, the West cannot defend the Ukraine and Crimea today, any more than we could in September of 1939. So what to do? Keystone pipeline ... oil refineries and tankers. Then the Canadians and Americans ARE the worlds greatest providers of petroleum based assets; and can flood Europe with them. At that point, Putin could stop it only by sending his inferior fleet ... against the combined power of the British and US Navies .... Highly doubt that is a fight he can win. So again, my point: look beyond "joining up" and view it long term, like the "cold war"; as it actually is "cold war II". Ultimately, the West won round one on economic power ... so use economic assets to do it again. This view will solve the problem. After all, Germany tried twice, No?

Politesub53 -> RE: Ukraine (3/21/2014 5:01:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery The risk for the West is turning Russia into a haven for money laundering -- especially given Russia's council positions in the UN. Nope.... The west is already a haven for Russian money laundering. They are buying expensive properties worldwide.

Owner59 -> RE: Ukraine (3/22/2014 1:44:50 PM)
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rockspider -> RE: Ukraine (3/22/2014 3:13:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny quote: ORIGINAL: Phydeaux Bush was a moron when it came to Putin. Straight up. IMO, Putin totally played Bush. I never believed the "looked into his soul" bullshit for a second. Once KGB, always KGB. quote: ...11 people are denied travel permits to the US. Assets frozen. I saw something about this the a couple of days ago. Apparently the strategy is to bust up the group of wealthy people feeding Putin money in an attempt to slow him down. I'll be surprised if it really amounts to anything though. Unfortunately. I think Putin's holding all the cards on Crimea and the West simply didn't see it coming. Where's Curtis LeMay when you need him? I have always wondered what we would have said if Germany had elected Herman Goering for president in 1950? After all there is not much difference between Gestapo and KGB/NKVD. Same secrecy, same brutal methods and same absolute powers.

cloudboy -> RE: Ukraine (3/22/2014 4:22:14 PM)
Part of me does not believe he was even in the military. The one fact about him that is ABSOLUTELY TRUE is that he attributes all negative events (except maybe the drought in California) to the Obama administration. It is hard to wrap one's mind around it considering the problems and mistakes committed by the Bush administration. The loss of our moral high ground, the depletion of our treasury, the lack of Wall Street oversight, and the foreign policy failures from 2000-08 really are really unprecedented. In our lifetime only the Vietnam war is comparable.

Phydeaux -> RE: Ukraine (3/22/2014 5:47:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy Part of me does not believe he was even in the military. The one fact about him that is ABSOLUTELY TRUE is that he attributes all negative events (except maybe the drought in California) to the Obama administration. It is hard to wrap one's mind around it considering the problems and mistakes committed by the Bush administration. The loss of our moral high ground, the depletion of our treasury, the lack of Wall Street oversight, and the foreign policy failures from 2000-08 really are really unprecedented. In our lifetime only the Vietnam war is comparable. I don't know to whom you refer, but I will be happy to answer anyway. I don't attribute events to Obama. I do attribute idiot responses to him. Syria is not Obama's fault. Equivocating while the initially secular rebels became islamicized --- is. Drawing a red line in the sand -- which was piss-poor diplomacy -- is. Not backing up your red line and looking ridiculous ---------------- is. Letting russia broker a treaty ensuring assad remains in power ---- is. Threatening "severe consequences" to an invasion of crimea - and then instituting a ban on 11 russians.. is Putting the prestige of the US Presidency behind lobbying for the olympics to be held in Chicago - and then failing --is. As for Wallstreet "oversite". The Cbo and the Fed have both stated that the Frank/Dodd monstrosity would not have prevented the last meltdown. Frankly, the repeal of Glass Siegel was a disaster. The banks are too large. They've gotten ever larger under O. And as for deficits.. I hate the deficits under Bush. I hate them worse under Obama as they are larger. The biggest deficit in the history of the united states wasn't under Bush.. it was under Obama.

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