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RE: To The Fatty Running On The Track This Afternoon: I... - 3/16/2014 6:40:51 AM

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Smileforme,
I'm not sure I completely agree with you that overeating is an addiction. I believe it to be a learned behavior from childhood. I went to college in San Francisco, yes, their were overweight people but were few and far between. Daily you could see thousands of people riding bikes, running and playing sports. After college I moved to Houston. Upon arriving I thought to myself, My God I will starve to death here because surely these people have eaten all the available food. When I would go out for my morning run I would maybe see one or two people. The first time I ventured out to a local restaurant and ordered a meal I was served a dish that would have fed a family of 4 in California. I watched the family sitting at the next table who each ordered a plate, ate the whole thing then ordered dessert. I did a quick count of calories and figured each of these meals were somewhere around 4000 calories. Looking around the restaurant I noticed this to be the norm and not an exception. I believe being overweight is something that is passed down from ones parents.

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RE: To The Fatty Running On The Track This Afternoon: I... - 3/16/2014 6:42:56 AM

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I had a discussion in my runner's group about this. I think it sucks. You don't get to call someone names and then give them a compliment and pat yourself on the back. Imagine seeing a stranger and saying, "Hey creepface, you're really clever," or "Hey jerk, you rock." It's the fact that the writer calls the person names that shows how incredibly full of shit he is. Actual respect would not include name-calling. Fuck you. I don't need assholes who don't actually have respect to pretend they are showing respect. I'd rather you just tell me the truth.

This article is just a poor ripoff of an excellent blog post written a couple of years ago called "Hey Fat Girl" in which the author uses "Fat" as a descriptor rather than as an insult.

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RE: To The Fatty Running On The Track This Afternoon: I... - 3/16/2014 6:43:31 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Buddapan

Smileforme,
I'm not sure I completely agree with you that overeating is an addiction. I believe it to be a learned behavior from childhood. I went to college in San Francisco, yes, their were overweight people but were few and far between. Daily you could see thousands of people riding bikes, running and playing sports. After college I moved to Houston. Upon arriving I thought to myself, My God I will starve to death here because surely these people have eaten all the available food. When I would go out for my morning run I would maybe see one or two people. The first time I ventured out to a local restaurant and ordered a meal I was served a dish that would have fed a family of 4 in California. I watched the family sitting at the next table who each ordered a plate, ate the whole thing then ordered dessert. I did a quick count of calories and figured each of these meals were somewhere around 4000 calories. Looking around the restaurant I noticed this to be the norm and not an exception. I believe being overweight is something that is passed down from ones parents.

/disagree

My mother was a smoking hot honey till the misery of her existence consumed her. Then food became her only comfort.

Jus sayin
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RE: To The Fatty Running On The Track This Afternoon: I... - 3/16/2014 7:47:22 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Buddapan

Smileforme,
I'm not sure I completely agree with you that overeating is an addiction. I believe it to be a learned behavior from childhood. I went to college in San Francisco, yes, their were overweight people but were few and far between. Daily you could see thousands of people riding bikes, running and playing sports. After college I moved to Houston. Upon arriving I thought to myself, My God I will starve to death here because surely these people have eaten all the available food. When I would go out for my morning run I would maybe see one or two people. The first time I ventured out to a local restaurant and ordered a meal I was served a dish that would have fed a family of 4 in California. I watched the family sitting at the next table who each ordered a plate, ate the whole thing then ordered dessert. I did a quick count of calories and figured each of these meals were somewhere around 4000 calories. Looking around the restaurant I noticed this to be the norm and not an exception. I believe being overweight is something that is passed down from ones parents.

I don't agree with that at all because I have seen just as many families where only one person in the famiily is overweight....or one member is not overweight. Case in point is my family. My parents and siblings were never overweight (ok...my dad got a beer gut when he was in his late 40s) but I've been overweight since puberty. Where did I "learn" it from? Funny thing also....my family was never athletic....my parents or siblings NEVER participated in school sports or other physical extracurricular activities....except fo me....I played basketball when I was in junior high.

Plus....there are also cases where alcoholics grew up with alcoholic parents....in that way, alcoholism could be called a "learned behavior" as well.

It might not be a physical addiction....so that someone doesn't go through physical symptoms of "withdrawal"....but it still has the same place and effect on someone's life as a drug or alcohol addiction. But as I said...you can't cut it out of your life completely the way someone can do with alcohol and drugs.

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RE: To The Fatty Running On The Track This Afternoon: I... - 3/16/2014 10:06:56 AM

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I do understand what you're saying. My Brother runs two miles three times a week to maintain his form. I on the other hand have to run six miles a day seven days a week to maintain mine. If a person burns more calories per day than they take in then they will lose weight, that is just how the human body works. A friend of mine goes to the gym everyday but never seemed to be able to lose the weight she wanted to. I started going with her and watching her workout and quickly saw what her problem was. I gave her my heart rate monitor to use and showed her that she was never breaking a sweat during her workouts and her heart rate was barely breaking 100 beats per minute. She also said she only took in 1500 calories per day but when we actually counted her daily intake it was more in the range of 2200 calories per day. I helped her get on a progam where she worked up to a heart rate of 140 beats per minute for 45 minutes and in no time she was able to get her weight to where she wanted it. The human body is an incredible machine and if it is taken care of correctly it will work pretty much trouble free for many years.

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RE: To The Fatty Running On The Track This Afternoon: I... - 3/16/2014 10:20:50 AM

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I had a discussion in my runner's group about this. I think it sucks. You don't get to call someone names and then give them a compliment and pat yourself on the back. Imagine seeing a stranger and saying, "Hey creepface, you're really clever," or "Hey jerk, you rock." It's the fact that the writer calls the person names that shows how incredibly full of shit he is. Actual respect would not include name-calling. Fuck you. I don't need assholes who don't actually have respect to pretend they are showing respect. I'd rather you just tell me the truth.

This article is just a poor ripoff of an excellent blog post written a couple of years ago called "Hey Fat Girl" in which the author uses "Fat" as a descriptor rather than as an insult.

Thank you. I found the post in the OP to be pretty patronizing, despite the writer's claim that there is no condescension. It wasn't the names that grated on me so much as the section about working of the 'debt' of indulging in food. The author seems to be pointing out the person's failings and weaknesses and almost offering his own personal forgiveness. Not to mention the idea of thinking of exercise as atonement for the sin of enjoying a dessert is pretty unhealthy thinking in it's own right.

The article you linked is much better. It's subtle, but it gives me a very different feeling.

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RE: To The Fatty Running On The Track This Afternoon: I... - 3/17/2014 9:37:17 AM

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Well, damn, fuck me running!

Either version is a hell of a sight better than being yelled at "Hey fatty! McDonalds is the other way!!"

Or, "Hey Fatty, are you the reason we have so many pot holes?"

Did some of you consider this wasnt meant to be for the "Fatty"?

But maybe for the insensitive assholes who are riding by and hurling the insults themselves?

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RE: To The Fatty Running On The Track This Afternoon: I... - 3/17/2014 9:40:10 AM

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Oops!! Leave it to me to use the wrong account! LOL

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RE: To The Fatty Running On The Track This Afternoon: I... - 3/17/2014 9:42:24 AM

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Oops!! Leave it to me to use the wrong account! LOL

Take that, you!

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RE: To The Fatty Running On The Track This Afternoon: I... - 3/17/2014 9:55:06 AM

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May I have another, please?!?!

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RE: To The Fatty Running On The Track This Afternoon: I... - 3/17/2014 9:59:14 AM

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

May I have another, please?!?!

I can do this for days, babe!

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RE: To The Fatty Running On The Track This Afternoon: I... - 3/17/2014 10:08:04 AM

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Sorry folks, this article is bullshit. Condescending, bullshit.

No fat person needs to have anyone say that to them. They are obviously doing something to help themselves and don't need your editorializing to do so.

Save the sanctimonious crap for yourself, no one needs a running commentary about how they got fat.

In fact, if you see a fat person exercising, here's a tip, leave them the fuck alone unless they are paying you to be their personal trainer.

I despise fat shaming dressed up in faux support.

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RE: To The Fatty Running On The Track This Afternoon: I... - 3/17/2014 11:27:11 AM

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Thats the problem. This wasnt fat shaming. This was fat shaming shaming. I am surprised at how many missed that simple fact.

Anyways, I liked it, which is why I posted it. Anyone can read anything into anything they want. Some will view this as fat bashing, others will view it as supportive.

Being a fat chick, I saw it as being the latter. I dont mind when people are frank with me. I do mind when people attempt to sugar coat things.

YMMV

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RE: To The Fatty Running On The Track This Afternoon: I... - 3/17/2014 11:47:08 AM

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The real shame of it is that people don't realize that when they do anything that is "fat shaming" to another person, they aren't helping at all. Sometimes even comments that some may take as encouraging can still be seen as condescending and insulting to another. I can see both sides of this....why it may not have been meant to be condescending....but someone may take it that way.

Personally, I've been very lucky in that when I am able to go to a gym (which unfortunately hasn't been in quite a few years...but that might change soon!!!) I taught myself to be immune and ignore all the looks and comments. I just put in my ear plugs, crank up the music close my eyes and start pedaling....or rowing or whatever.

But if someone who is obese goes to a gym and tries to get into an exercise program, and other members just stare at them or they hear whispered remarks....what do think the chances are of that person wanting to come back again and again? That isn't being helpful at all.

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RE: To The Fatty Running On The Track This Afternoon: I... - 3/17/2014 11:53:50 AM

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It's a troll, plain and simple.
"Hey, let's write something childish and offensive and see how many people I can piss off.
The Iron Lady had an answer.. "starve them of the oxygen of publicity".
Or, Don't Feed The Trolls

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RE: To The Fatty Running On The Track This Afternoon: I... - 3/17/2014 12:00:58 PM

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I can see both as well. Having been the one being stared at, whispered at, ridiculed, had one person even said half of what was in the OP to me, I may not have been so willing to quit so soon. I gained weight for 2 reasons, lack of exercise and shoving food in my mouth. Pure and simple. If I get upset by someone saying that to me, with the encouragement to continue, then that says far more about me than them.

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RE: To The Fatty Running On The Track This Afternoon: I... - 3/17/2014 12:08:35 PM

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I think it's sad when support for someone is twisted into something else caused by over sensitivities.

I used to work in a building adjacent to an apartment complex. One day, I noticed a severely overweight woman slowly walk around the parking lot in laps. I wasn't sure what she was doing. Until I saw her the next day, then the next, and then the next. Every day she was out there, rain or shine. Time passed, and she still continued. Smaller in size, faster in steps.
Her laps increased in size, around the complex. She'd even start to throw in dance moves. Seeing her out there brought a smile to my face, she was a perfect picture of dedication and determination.

I would have never told her to her face how much of an inspiration she was, out of worries of sensitivity, but I understand what the writer of this article may have felt when she wrote this and I only believe she wrote it to show support, no malice behind it. I saw her using the term "fatty" as a jab on name callers out there but agree would have been better if written without it.
Similar to how sarcasm doesn't translate well scenario.

What I thought was more insulting were the Victorias Secret ads right below the article.

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RE: To The Fatty Running On The Track This Afternoon: I... - 3/17/2014 7:04:47 PM

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Thats the problem. This wasnt fat shaming. This was fat shaming shaming. I am surprised at how many missed that simple fact.

Anyways, I liked it, which is why I posted it. Anyone can read anything into anything they want. Some will view this as fat bashing, others will view it as supportive.

Being a fat chick, I saw it as being the latter. I dont mind when people are frank with me. I do mind when people attempt to sugar coat things.

YMMV

I don't mind people being frank with me either, but you sure as hell don't get to call me names if you aren't tight with me. Sorry, tazzy, you are all kinds of wrong here. Shit covered in ribbons and bows and called a gift is still simply shit.

Someone who is supportive is gonna say Go you! or You're doing great! or Good on you or something of that ilk ... not Go you Fatty! Name calling is inherently fat shaming.

I'm totally cool with people saying, "hey, you're fat." It's a descriptor. Calling someone names is calling someone names and shows no respect.

I'm sticking with it's bullshit.

And I know where you're coming from, taz. I get on my bike and sometimes people snicker and laugh at my ass hanging over the edge of the seat and they call me names as I ride by... and he'll they even tell me to lose weight when I've just completed an 80 km ride, they tell me I'm ugly and disgusting (true story) even after I've lost 60 pounds and run a 10k that morning. They tell me I shouldn't eat what I eat... as I. taking a break from a two hour workout. So, yes, I know the difference between an insult and a supportive compliment.

And btw, taz... From a purely psychological standpoint, it's much harder to shake off negative comments than positive ones (I'm doing research on that right now in fact).

I hope you will find something that you love so much that when people say it, like me and some of my buddies, you laugh as you whiz by them, loving the way your body feels. I will support you in anyway I can... heaven knows I need the support.

Now off to work and the a long bike ride if the weather cooperates.

best,
sunshine

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RE: To The Fatty Running On The Track This Afternoon: I... - 3/17/2014 8:47:09 PM

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I hate that the narrator acts like the fat person is avoiding their eye contact/looking up to them.
I mean its better than some stuff- but still- it is pretty condescending. And I hate knowing that all the skinny people at the gym are even paying that much attention to me.

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RE: To The Fatty Running On The Track This Afternoon: I... - 3/17/2014 9:43:28 PM

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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss

I had a discussion in my runner's group about this. I think it sucks. You don't get to call someone names and then give them a compliment and pat yourself on the back. Imagine seeing a stranger and saying, "Hey creepface, you're really clever," or "Hey jerk, you rock." It's the fact that the writer calls the person names that shows how incredibly full of shit he is. Actual respect would not include name-calling. Fuck you. I don't need assholes who don't actually have respect to pretend they are showing respect. I'd rather you just tell me the truth.

This article is just a poor ripoff of an excellent blog post written a couple of years ago called "Hey Fat Girl" in which the author uses "Fat" as a descriptor rather than as an insult.

http://theantijared.com/2014/03/man-judged-westview-track.html

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