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RE: To The Fatty Running On The Track This Afternoon: I... - 3/18/2014 2:27:06 AM   
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as an aside to all this; Tazzy, I much prefer your picture in your 'wrong account' posting than any that you choose in your usual posting account. I find it a little strange that you are the person you are, but you choose the type of avatars that you do.

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RE: To The Fatty Running On The Track This Afternoon: I... - 3/18/2014 3:14:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar
This article is just a poor ripoff of an excellent blog post written a couple of years ago called "Hey Fat Girl" in which the author uses "Fat" as a descriptor rather than as an insult.


http://theantijared.com/2014/03/man-judged-westview-track.html

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RE: To The Fatty Running On The Track This Afternoon: I... - 3/18/2014 3:17:00 AM   
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I heart this more Tazzy, much more:)
have a read

http://meloukhia.net/2013/10/do_you_care_about_my_health_or_just_think_im_gross_be_honest/

Do You Care About My Health, or Just Think I’m Gross? Be Honest.
Posted on 18 October, 2013 by s.e. smith in size // 0 Comments
Hi. I’m fat. I’m what most people call an in-betweenie—I have a heavy build, I wear plus sizes, my stomach poofs out, I have folds of fat along my back, I have chubby arms and legs. I can still buy clothes off the rack at a lot of stores, though.

Don’t rush to tell me I’m not ‘that kind’ of fattie or you’re ‘not talking about [me]‘ when you’re going on about how much you worry for fat people, though. We all know that you’re thinking of me, that when you think of fat people, my double chin comes to mind, my wobbling upper arms, my thighs broad in my jeans, my big ass. I’m fat. It’s okay. You can say it. I don’t have a problem with it.

I have a lot of issues with my body, but my size isn’t really one of them. It is what it is. The reasons I’m fat are complicated and not really your business. And yeah, I am unhealthy, and the reasons for that aren’t your business either, although I know you want to rush to assume that I’m unhealthy because I’m fat.

I don’t have an obligation to be healthy, actually, and I don’t have an obligation to rush to assure you that I’m a ‘good fatty’ with great cholesterol and good scores on other health indicators allegedly related to weight. I don’t have an obligation to tell you that fat isn’t correlated with health because I shouldn’t have to justify the existence of fat people by informing you that you don’t understand how fat bodies work, and you’re not familiar with the latest studies on fatness, morbidity and mortality, health indicators, and social trends.

Because fat people have a right to exist, healthy or unhealthy, and this whole argument about health is a red herring. It suggests that if only fat people could prove that fat and health aren’t coupled, they’d be okay. Society is just concerned for us—worried that we’ll be felled too soon, taking our glorious minds into the ground with us to rot, all because we were fat and we refused to take personal responsibility for our fatness.

Here’s the thing, though: fat people have a right to exist, no matter what their health status is, and their health status is both not your business and not evidence to be used when determining whether they should be found wanting. Fatness is just a characteristic, one with which many people have a complex relationship because it’s socially loaded. Your judgement about fat has not been requested, nor is it required.

Let me tell you something about being fat: we know we’re fat, okay? We are in fact aware of the size noted in the tags of our clothes, we know how we occupy furniture. Sometimes we crack jokes about being fat because, well, sometimes being fat is funny. Sometimes being fat is fun. Sometimes we know people feel uncomfortable because we’re fat and we want to set them at ease. Sometimes we feel tremendous pressure to get people to treat us like human beings so we play the jolly fat person role to make ourselves into someone you have to engage with, rather than an object you can loathe.

And we spend our whole lives being told that everyone is worried for us. Don’t we know fat is unhealthy? Aren’t we worried about dying early? Have we talked to a doctor about our fat? Have we considered diet and exercise? How will you ever find a partner? You aren’t actually the first person to ask us any of these questions, and you probably won’t be the last. Because the thing is, when you’re fat, you know, your body seems to become part of the public commons, something for everyone to comment on. You are no longer yourself, an autonomous person who is allowed to drift through the world doing your own thing.

Here’s the thing: I think, between you and me, that you can drop the facade. You’re not worried about my health. If the health of strangers was a valid concern for you, you’d be more careful about where you blew your cigarette smoke. You wouldn’t have almost run down that skateboarder waiting to cross the curb. You’d help that poor woman struggling to load those heavy sacks of chicken scratch at the feed store. You’d cover your mouth when you cough to reduce the spread of infectious organisms.

This isn’t about my health as an individual, about your concerns for what society might lose if I drop dead. This is about the fact that you think I’m kind of gross. It’s okay. You can say it. You’re socialised to think that fat people are disgusting, to find my fat rolls hideous. You’re taught to cringe at the sight of my belly jiggling in a tight shirt, to believe that double chins are ugly and unpleasant to look at.

You’re taught that people like me are slow and stupid, that we don’t deserve to be treated like human beings. You’re taught that fat, on its own, is intrinsically, inherently bad. It takes a lot of work to overcome social conditioning, and often people try to dodge their conditioning by hiding it with something else. You want to tell me that you don’t care about my weight, you’re just ‘concerned.’

But you do care about my weight. My weight is the problem. I’m fat. That upsets you. The fact that I don’t care that I’m fat and don’t particularly care what you think about my fat upsets you even more. I’m breaking the rules. I’d say I’m sorry, but I’m not.

Be honest with yourself, if no one else: you’re bothered by fatness because it disgusts you, not because you’re worried for the health of your fellow humans. Now push yourself a little harder, please: why does fat disgust you?

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RE: To The Fatty Running On The Track This Afternoon: I... - 3/18/2014 5:40:26 AM   
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Can't fat and skinny just get along?

The writer of this article wants to make it clear that being overweight and the opinions of others does not bother them...but that person must have been bothered enough to write it.
That's my assumption, just as it is the writer's assumption that behind every supportive person is a fake.
Neither assumption proves the thoughts or actions behind the words. I feel how a reader perceives the intentions of the writer says more about the reader than the writer.

So what if a skinny person thinks fat is gross. It's their opinion.
Yes, I've heard skinny women make disgusting comments regarding overweight people. I've also heard many overweight women make disgusting remarks towards skinny women. I have a friend that gets upset when someone refers to her "boney butt".
Both sides bother me. Someone being judged in public because of their weight is not much different than another person being judged in public for their appearance.
Going into public spaces, you're likely to get looked at and possibly judged. It's one of the risks. And not everyone is going to be accepting of everyone else.

The first article is trying to be positive, that's how I took it. The second is so angry, no matter what message she wants to get across its difficult for me to listen.


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RE: To The Fatty Running On The Track This Afternoon: I... - 3/18/2014 5:44:48 AM   
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Well having been fat my entire life, its not something that just goes away with personal acceptance:) seeing another generation having to go thru shit like that still pisses me off.
BUT:)
different strokes for different folks.

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RE: To The Fatty Running On The Track This Afternoon: I... - 3/18/2014 5:53:25 AM   
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I agree, perceptions will vary from person to person. There's no right or wrong way.
But I prefer someone say they didn't like an article because of x, y, or z instead of stating as fact that the author is this or that.

ETA: which, I'm not saying you specifically did. I don't believe you did at all.

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RE: To The Fatty Running On The Track This Afternoon: I... - 3/18/2014 5:57:00 AM   
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RE: To The Fatty Running On The Track This Afternoon: I... - 3/18/2014 6:10:58 AM   
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This wasnt fat shaming. This was fat shaming shaming.


I had a knee jerk reaction to the title but realized it was fat shaming shaming by the second paragraph.

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RE: To The Fatty Running On The Track This Afternoon: I... - 3/18/2014 6:31:08 AM   
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Personally, I've been very lucky in that when I am able to go to a gym (which unfortunately hasn't been in quite a few years...but that might change soon!!!) I taught myself to be immune and ignore all the looks and comments. I just put in my ear plugs, crank up the music close my eyes and start pedaling....or rowing or whatever.

But if someone who is obese goes to a gym and tries to get into an exercise program, and other members just stare at them or they hear whispered remarks....what do think the chances are of that person wanting to come back again and again? That isn't being helpful at all.



Actually I prefer a large person going to the gym and working out to a lot of "normal" sized women, sitting on the machines blocking them for ours as they do 2 reps, then chat with each other, fiddle around with the machine, do 2 more reps, then chat again, always careful to not work up a sweat that might ruin their makeup or hairdo. THAT winds me up.

I'm only doing gym about once or twice a week (dog walks and inline skating keeps me fit), I usually know if I want to do upper or lower body and I dread gyms where the people are wearing the latest in fitness fashion and spend more time posing than actually working out. You go to the gym for the purpose of working out, not to check if the person sweating next to you is skinny or fat, if you got time to concentrate on somebody elses looks in a gym, you're not pushing yourself enough, what the hell are you doing there? The air in the gym isn't going to make you fit... I'm pretty sure a bunch of people will run their mouths as much about my ratty, baggy, faded gym clothes as they will about somebody who's fat. Bless them, they might hang around in the gym because they have no other place to go and show off their new gym clothes...

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RE: To The Fatty Running On The Track This Afternoon: I... - 3/18/2014 7:28:47 AM   
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In the last five years I'm the biggest I've ever been. I like to think I just naturally met my 'happy weight'. I have spent my entire life being told I'm too skinny, asked if I have an eating disorder or they're worried about me because my thinness makes me look unwell. On FL someone has just written a thread about revolting thin people. According to many, thin people starve themselves, are incredibly vain, ugly, un-sexy, have eating OCD, Bulimia or Anorexia. The thing is, its okay to say this about thin people isn't it? but it certainly wouldn't be okay to ask an overweight person if they had an eating disorder.

Also keep in mind, thin, fat, plump or the perfect weight (whatever that is) doesn't mean that person is healthy. Cholesterol doesn't just happen to people who over eat/smoke. A fit looking person can have just as much plaque in their veins as a morbidly obese person which means they get just as out of breath when exercising as the heavier person.

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RE: To The Fatty Running On The Track This Afternoon: I... - 3/18/2014 7:49:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: AlexisANew

In the last five years I'm the biggest I've ever been. I like to think I just naturally met my 'happy weight'. I have spent my entire life being told I'm too skinny, asked if I have an eating disorder or they're worried about me because my thinness makes me look unwell. On FL someone has just written a thread about revolting thin people. According to many, thin people starve themselves, are incredibly vain, ugly, un-sexy, have eating OCD, Bulimia or Anorexia. The thing is, its okay to say this about thin people isn't it? but it certainly wouldn't be okay to ask an overweight person if they had an eating disorder.

Also keep in mind, thin, fat, plump or the perfect weight (whatever that is) doesn't mean that person is healthy. Cholesterol doesn't just happen to people who over eat/smoke. A fit looking person can have just as much plaque in their veins as a morbidly obese person which means they get just as out of breath when exercising as the heavier person.


I've done some post graduate work in a cardiology center (just the language part) but the amount of people who came with congestive heart failure tended to be more on the obese side. A friend recently got a new valve, apparently he was born with a leaky valve, played semi professional rugby, he said he was the only guy in the hospital who wasn't obese, drank a lot or smoked. I think additional weight carries a lot of other risk factors and they get diagnosed earlier because obesity will alert medical pros to have a look at the cholesterol. If I want mine checked (and I've been asking for close to 2 years now just for a complete MOT including ECG), I get told that I'm perfectly healthy and on the skinny side. Still, I would just like to KNOW!

Seriously, I'm so fed up with the fact that it's OK to tell somebody who's normal sized that they "ought to eat a sandwich" and the next time somebody is going to call me a skinny cow, I think I should be entitled to call that person a fat cow. I'm not even skinny (wish I was), it's a lot less vanity, it's a messed up back, and every pound I carry more is putting a strain on my back, causing my disks to rub together. For a brief period I was the fabled size 0, I wish I could have enjoyed it, but I was so drained of all energy and felt so tired all the time, I'm rather a size up and healthy and energetic, however if I go up 2 or 3 sizes, I feel bloated and less energetic. I think everybody has a certain weight that works for them, where they feel healthy and feel their best.

I'm so fed up with the whole media going between 2 extremes, there isn't just being underweight and overweight, but you take a perfectly healthy teenage girl and she thinks she has to look like a highly airbrushed model or she isn't attractive and starts on a circle of food deprivation and binge eating that will fuck up her metabolism and general health.

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RE: To The Fatty Running On The Track This Afternoon: I... - 3/18/2014 8:07:10 AM   
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Yep the external pressures on young people is very unfair. My youngest son was a 6ft 2 beanpole by the time he was 14. Someone at school then teased him that he was fat which resulted in him getting an eating disorder. The professionals told us that just as many boys have eating disorders as girls.

My sister had Anorexia as a teenager and ended up in a mental hospital. She really did fuck up her metabolism and has suffered all her adult life for the illness she had in her teens.

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RE: To The Fatty Running On The Track This Afternoon: I... - 3/18/2014 8:17:32 AM   
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You go to the gym for the purpose of working out, not to check if the person sweating next to you is skinny or fat, if you got time to concentrate on somebody elses looks in a gym, you're not pushing yourself enough, what the hell are you doing there? ...


Well, I sometimes go and "work out" even if I don't WORK OUT. And I needn't apologize to anyone. I have as much right to leisurely enjoy my routine as I do to work my ass off.

Take today, for example. I usually do a fairly vigorous workout, but I know that tomorrow is my long day. It is a hard work day for me and will drain me both physically and emotionally. I don't want to do a hard workout which will exhaust me and make me struggle tomorrow at my job. So too am I reluctant to let go of my exercise routine. It's too easy to slide into skipping a day... and then two.. and then think I'll just go next week... for me. So, today, instead of a heavy lifting day or a long, tough bike ride, I went for a walk, a nice leisurely stroll. If the weather had been crap, my leisurely stroll would have been at the gym. No, I didn't push myself. No I didn't work up a sweat. Yes, I did look around me at the people who were also walking.

What the hell am I doing there? I'll tell you what I'm doing. Enjoying my body. Respecting my reality. Honoring my goals. Having a chat with a student I ran into. Stopping at the road side stand to buy some spinach that looked good. Maintaining my routine. In short, what the hell am I doing there taking up space and not REALLY working out?

I am loving myself.

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RE: To The Fatty Running On The Track This Afternoon: I... - 3/18/2014 8:50:41 AM   
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What the hell am I doing there? I'll tell you what I'm doing. Enjoying my body. Respecting my reality. Honoring my goals. Having a chat with a student I ran into. Stopping at the road side stand to buy some spinach that looked good. Maintaining my routine. In short, what the hell am I doing there taking up space and not REALLY working out?


Well, there might be a slight difference between sitting on a machine and chatting to your friends and blocking it up for other people who just *might* want to really work out and are pressed for time.

Gyms aren't a social club, personally I go there for the reason they were invented, which happens to be workouts, and I deliberately picked a gym that doesn't have one of the fancy bars, because that tends to keep people out who enjoy blocking machines. If people want to hang out and have chats, it's a little bit inconsiderate to block machines for others.

If you enjoy watching people in the gym, well, fine, not the hobby I'd pick, I rather grab a cup of coffee and be out in the fresh air, walk through town and look around.

I guess I love my life and myself enough to not worry about what people look like in a gym, or to worry what I look like in the gym, if my face is red from pushing myself, I also tend to not use the walking machines, because walking to the gym gives me all the warm up I need, and walking in fresh air is just nicer than being inside on a walking machine.

To each their own and since you aren't in my gym, blocking the machines I want to use, I couldn't really be bothered - even if I tried - what you're doing in your gym.



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RE: To The Fatty Running On The Track This Afternoon: I... - 3/18/2014 9:24:47 AM   
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as an aside to all this; Tazzy, I much prefer your picture in your 'wrong account' posting than any that you choose in your usual posting account. I find it a little strange that you are the person you are, but you choose the type of avatars that you do.

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Whats strange about it? Certain men made certain requests and the tease in me went and fulfilled those requests.

Its always fun to post with Lucy and watch some lose some of the piss and vinegar in P&R as a result.

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RE: To The Fatty Running On The Track This Afternoon: I... - 3/18/2014 12:23:18 PM   
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Because fat people have a right to exist


Nobody has a right to exist. Neither morally, nor legally is there such a thing as a 'right to exist'. Fat people have the right to not be killed, but that doesn't imply a 'right to exist'. Nor does the fact that somebody has legal protection from being killed imply that I have to approve of their existence, or even deem them worthy of existence.

I am permitted to disapprove of the existence of those I disapprove on (which happens to not be fat people, but falsely entitled people) as much as I want. If you care so much about my approval of your existence, then earn it by being a person I think is worth existing. And if you don't care enough about my approval to want to earn it, then quit claiming your entitled to it as a right.

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RE: To The Fatty Running On The Track This Afternoon: I... - 3/18/2014 5:25:37 PM   
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You’re taught that people like me are slow and stupid, that we don’t deserve to be treated like human beings. You’re taught that fat, on its own, is intrinsically, inherently bad...Be honest with yourself, if no one else: you’re bothered by fatness because it disgusts you, not because you’re worried for the health of your fellow humans.


I'd say you're absolutely right. To be honest, that is what I (we?) were taught. Fundamentally, that is what I (we?) are bothered by.

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Now push yourself a little harder, please: why does fat disgust you?


Because it's ugly. As human beings we are repulsed by what is physically ugly and drawn to what is physically beautiful. Now, anyone with any depth of character isn't just attracted by beauty (or wealth, power, status, intelligence, sexual prowess etc.) But it is a part of the package. I won't lie to you. But then, you don't want me to, right? Because you prefer honesty. Right?

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I'm fat. That upsets you. The fact that I don't care that I'm fat and don't particularly care about what you think about my fat upsets you even more. I'm breaking the rules. I'd say I'm sorry, but I'm not.


You are taking flak for not conforming, yes. Absolutely. For falling outside of the bell curve. But since I've been so honest, how about returning the favor? You do care that you're fat, and you do care what other people think about it. In fact you care very deeply, which is exactly why you wrote what you did. It's a form of reverse snobbishness, to let the rest of us know that you're special, even superior; that unless we're fat ourselves we can't possibly understand. And so forth. I think you are sorry. I think your degree of self acceptance/self love is correlated to your weight. I think you allow yourself to take liberties that you would never allow me. And I find that hypocritical.

For the record, I found the sentiments expressed in the OP condescending. It's just that I find many of the comments criticizing it equally condescending.

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RE: To The Fatty Running On The Track This Afternoon: I... - 3/19/2014 5:38:53 AM   
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I'm fat. That upsets you. The fact that I don't care that I'm fat and don't particularly care about what you think about my fat upsets you even more. I'm breaking the rules. I'd say I'm sorry, but I'm not.


You are taking flak for not conforming, yes. Absolutely. For falling outside of the bell curve. But since I've been so honest, how about returning the favor? You do care that you're fat, and you do care what other people think about it. In fact you care very deeply, which is exactly why you wrote what you did. It's a form of reverse snobbishness, to let the rest of us know that you're special, even superior; that unless we're fat ourselves we can't possibly understand. And so forth. I think you are sorry. I think your degree of self acceptance/self love is correlated to your weight. I think you allow yourself to take liberties that you would never allow me. And I find that hypocritical.

For the record, I found the sentiments expressed in the OP condescending. It's just that I find many of the comments criticizing it equally condescending.

Pam


I believe your right. This woman has a hornet in her bonnet and the post pasted on here was only one of many.

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RE: To The Fatty Running On The Track This Afternoon: I... - 3/19/2014 5:55:08 AM   
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I believe your right. This woman has a hornet in her bonnet and the post pasted on here was only one of many.

http://meloukhia.net/tag/fat_hatred/



She's off her rocker, her overspill is something that happens and not her fault, the airline's fault, however somebody touching her armrest is having tentacles and enough for her to request another seat, that's some weird logic... Oh and she's discriminated by airlines, funny, next time my suitcase is too heavy and they try to charge me, I'll also scream about discrimination....

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RE: To The Fatty Running On The Track This Afternoon: I... - 3/19/2014 6:48:31 AM   
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Not sure how we got onto the airline thing, but it is the only reason I hate flying.

The possibility of sitting next to someone larger in size, frame, or an armrest hogger that gets too close. I always request a window seat for this reason, hugging the opposite side of said stranger. For me, it's personal space. I can't stand when people invade my personal bubble, standing too close behind me in a store checkout lane, let alone having someone pressed up against me or touching me for some length of time.

I have had someone sit next to me once that took up 1/4 of my seat. I did not request a new seat. Instead, I sat there and took it, seething internally the entire time about the stupid tiny seats. Or the person in front who decides to recline, which is practically laying in your lap.

No, I don't like flying for that reason but I like getting to my destination sooner. Therefore, I have no right to bitch because I'm choosing to take that risk. It sucks and seems unfair at times, but that's life.

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