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Is it really a problem? - 3/15/2014 8:14:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		One of America’s most magnificent and recognisable landmarks is expected to be subject to new measures aimed at shaking off its least welcome superlative – most lethal.

Suicides are not officially counted but 46 people are known to have jumped to their deaths from the 425-foot high span last year, making a total of at least 1,500 since the bridge opened in 1937.

It is the second most common suicide spot in the world after the Nanjing Yangtze River Bridge in China, which has seen more than 2,000 people kill themselves by jumping since it opened in 1968.

Now the various authorities in charge of the Golden Gate Bridge are close to agreeing a $66 million (£41m) project to alter the railings and fix huge nets under the public walkway and cycle path.


66 million feel good dollars. That's $44,00 per suicide over the last 67 years. What! If people want to commit suicide these idiots don't think they'll find another way? The Golden Gate isn't the only bridge. There's also train tracks, the highway, suicide by cop, high-rise buildings (a favorite of bankers), and of course the ubiquitous gun.

Worse of it is, I'm not surprised, it being first and foremost San Francisco and besides, it is in leftist California.

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RE: Is it really a problem? - 3/15/2014 8:18:04 AM   
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But then, these are troubled people.

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RE: Is it really a problem? - 3/15/2014 8:30:06 AM   
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RE: Is it really a problem? - 3/15/2014 8:39:00 AM   
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We can try to save people from themselves but ultimately it is only they who can save themselves. Its kind but futile.

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RE: Is it really a problem? - 3/15/2014 8:39:39 AM   
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Who wants the last place they go on earth to be Oakland?





Excellent point.

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RE: Is it really a problem? - 3/15/2014 8:45:20 AM   
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Curious that the Bay Bridge, just as close, isn't as popular.
But then, these are troubled people.


Maybe the view is better?


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RE: Is it really a problem? - 3/15/2014 9:03:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		The most common method of suicide in the US is by gun, followed by hanging. For the UK, which doesn't have our easy access to firearms, hanging is the number one. For people who just want to end themselves, it is going to be whatever method is right at hand.

Then we have those who need to try and make a spectacle of it. All this is going to do is make them work a little harder. It's their last act, so they will.

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RE: Is it really a problem? - 3/15/2014 11:23:05 AM   
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Curious that the Bay Bridge, just as close, isn't as popular.

Not so curious, the new Bay Bridge only recently opened for pedestrian traffic and the previous one didn't allow it at all.

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RE: Is it really a problem? - 3/15/2014 11:32:25 AM   
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66 million feel good dollars. That's $44,00 per suicide over the last 67 years. What! If people want to commit suicide these idiots don't think they'll find another way? The Golden Gate isn't the only bridge. There's also train tracks, the highway, suicide by cop, high-rise buildings (a favorite of bankers), and of course the ubiquitous gun.

Worse of it is, I'm not surprised, it being first and foremost San Francisco and besides, it is in leftist California.


I'm not sure, although I wonder, since the Golden Gate isn't actually over a river, would it cost more for attempted rescues or body recovery if someone jumps? Maybe they figure it will save lives and money in the long run?

I don't know if suicide itself is really a problem in society. Should our society allow people to commit suicide if they want to go? I remember in Soylent Green, where if someone wanted to kill themselves, they could go to a place and watch a movie with a bunch of flowers and peacefully die. I suppose there are worse ways of going. I never really thought that Dr. Kevorkian was really such a bad guy. We have freedom of choice and the right to live our lives as we wish, but what about our deaths?

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RE: Is it really a problem? - 3/15/2014 11:38:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		The bridge isn't lethal...the fall is.

Oh and BTW, (and just as in) those jumpers from hi-rise bldgs. aren't bankers, they have federal insurance. They are brokers who very likely leveraged their shit, it went belly-up and they...got that call.

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RE: Is it really a problem? - 3/15/2014 11:39:54 AM   
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Who wants the last place they go on earth to be Oakland?




People from Detroit

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RE: Is it really a problem? - 3/15/2014 11:51:40 AM   
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Who wants the last place they go on earth to be Oakland?




People from Detroit

The bankers were the cause as usual and Oakland was and is being allowed to refinance. $300 million in new debt. Bankers for Detroit were hoping for a state or fed bailout.

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RE: Is it really a problem? - 3/15/2014 1:40:56 PM   
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Who wants the last place they go on earth to be Oakland?




People from Detroit

The bankers were the cause as usual and Oakland was and is being allowed to refinance. $300 million in new debt. Bankers for Detroit were hoping for a state or fed bailout.

Or robocop

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RE: Is it really a problem? - 3/15/2014 3:36:33 PM   
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The bridge isn't lethal...the fall is.



The fall isn't lethal, either; it's that sudden stop, at the end. We used to call it: Deceleration Trauma.





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RE: Is it really a problem? - 3/15/2014 3:49:26 PM   
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The bridge isn't lethal...the fall is.



The fall isn't lethal, either; it's that sudden stop, at the end. We used to call it: Deceleration Trauma.





Actually, if it's a bridge...they usually drown but the stop isn't so sudden and a killer...but for that fall.

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RE: Is it really a problem? - 3/15/2014 4:04:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

The bridge isn't lethal...the fall is.



The fall isn't lethal, either; it's that sudden stop, at the end. We used to call it: Deceleration Trauma.





Actually, if it's a bridge...they usually drown but the stop isn't so sudden and a killer...but for that fall.


I was just reading that some people don't die right away from the fall. Some might last a few minutes with crushed legs, ruptured organs, internal bleeding, etc., not to mention the freezing water. A few have even managed to survive.

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RE: Is it really a problem? - 3/15/2014 4:15:11 PM   
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One of America’s most magnificent and recognisable landmarks is expected to be subject to new measures aimed at shaking off its least welcome superlative – most lethal.

Suicides are not officially counted but 46 people are known to have jumped to their deaths from the 425-foot high span last year, making a total of at least 1,500 since the bridge opened in 1937.

It is the second most common suicide spot in the world after the Nanjing Yangtze River Bridge in China, which has seen more than 2,000 people kill themselves by jumping since it opened in 1968.

Now the various authorities in charge of the Golden Gate Bridge are close to agreeing a $66 million (£41m) project to alter the railings and fix huge nets under the public walkway and cycle path.

66 million feel good dollars. That's $44,00 per suicide over the last 67 years. What! If people want to commit suicide these idiots don't think they'll find another way? The Golden Gate isn't the only bridge. There's also train tracks, the highway, suicide by cop, high-rise buildings (a favorite of bankers), and of course the ubiquitous gun.

Worse of it is, I'm not surprised, it being first and foremost San Francisco and besides, it is in leftist California.


It really is a sad moment, that you, like hundreds of millions of Americans (if not billions of people on this planet) only have a tiny ounce of knowledge on what Depression is and isn't. And why those suffering from this invisible illness kill themselves. Do us a favor and get a serious, fucking, CLUE, on the subject matter.

While I applaud people for trying to find ways to curb suicides at the point of final decision; I would rather the money be spent educating the public to the depth of this illness. Even go so far as to remove the social stigma that is attached to it, that keeps millions from getting treatment in the first place! Ironically enough, Depression effects those with conservative political and religious outlooks than most other groups. Before you go and bash the 'leftist', best you understand its those folks that have done the most good in figuring out what the disease is and how to counter it.

Thanks to the Affordable Care Act, a person suffering from this illness can get treatment in the form of therapy and medical prescription drugs. In studies, therapy and drugs do the most good, but if given the choice, therapy works much better over drugs.

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RE: Is it really a problem? - 3/15/2014 4:43:44 PM   
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Do us a favor and get a serious, fucking, CLUE, on the subject matter.

Cmon thats asking an awful lot...
"people" only matter when they are pre birth or successful.



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RE: Is it really a problem? - 3/16/2014 8:43:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		God, but what a typical crock of shit.

Somebody comes up with a "let dumbasses feel good" waste of money project, it gets pointed out that it is a useless feel good waste of money, and suddenly we have douchebag nonsense that equates this one stupid little thing with an entire social ill, assertions that anyone who doesn't support wasting money so dumbasses can feel good doesn't care about the social ill as a whole, and just for good measure, a halelujah chorus to a horrendously conceived and developed hyperpartisan law that is getting changed by executive decree about once a week.

The overwhelming majority of people who want to kill themselves just get the job done. The fractional percentage who feel the need to make it a spectacle are no more important than the ones who hang themselves from the curtain rod in the shower.

If we are going to spend $66 million on a suicide prevention project, how many crisis lines can we staff with professionals for that money?

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RE: Is it really a problem? - 3/16/2014 2:43:37 PM   
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If we are going to spend $66 million on a suicide prevention project, how many crisis lines can we staff with professionals for that money?

Good point. If it happened. People don't like to see money go for practical solutions when there's a big monument to be built.

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